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Normally, the most powerful runes Anvils of Doom have available to them, like the Rune of Grimnir that was used in the battle for the Citadel, require long recharge times as they absorb ambient Winds. Only very high magic environments, like a Storm of Magic, allow for repeated use. Mathilde thinks AV can recharge them quickly by being a concentrated source of the Winds available on demand.

The debate is whether we should research this more on our own before bringing it forward, since right now we just have some preliminary ideas and a theory, nothing definite.
Oh okay. That's an argument I remember, I think the term Ancestor Rune threw me off, It just made me think "Where the hell is the source of this other tier of rune?"

Basically I thought Boney found a source that spoke of runes that werent normal or master runes that the thread was calling ancestor runes, but I get it now.

Clearly you must get a bigger snek.
 
Only in the very early editions, where canon was built on what sounded cool instead of an actual coherent universe.
@BoneyM it's actually from Realms of Sorcery, page 206.

Also.. whats the cultural oppinion on harlots? If they are like the (ancient) greek, theres no shame in being a working woman.
Frowned upon by dwarves and humans, accepted by elves and halflings.

Oh hey, thats the Amber Spear.
I kind of wonder how that spell even fits into Ghur.
Ghur isn't just animals, it's the hunting of animals, and the spear is one of the oldest and most common hunting weapons since prehistoric times.

...are humans and halflings interfertile? I didn't think any of the Warhammer species could have children together.
They aren't interfertile.

I think the answer to interfertility is specifically called "Jade Magister".

And what do you know, halflings have one in residence! (Well, technically not full magister yet).
The only thing jade wizards can do is guarantee conception if a child is already biologically possible, at least with a spell. If cross-species breeding is possible with ghyran I imagine it's in the realm of rituals.
 
My understanding of orc psychology is that a new threat is essentially an invitation to a new fight. Orcs like fighting. A dragon showing up and stomping aorund burning things isn't necessarily going to scare off orcs, especially if they actually manage to inflict damage on it, it might very well increase their desire to get back into K8P for the romping good fight that surely must be going on if there are dragons hanging about.
I'm not sure what you're discussing, so I can't really argue for or against it. But, generally speaking, the purpose isn't to scare orcs; you can't scare orcs, that's not what they do. The purpose would be to get them to fight somebody that isn't us until they die, at which point they either win, and kill the other people who aren't us, or die, and then we will have killed them.
 
I'm not sure what you're discussing, so I can't really argue for or against it. But, generally speaking, the purpose isn't to scare orcs; you can't scare orcs, that's not what they do. The purpose would be to get them to fight somebody that isn't us until they die, at which point they either win, and kill the other people who aren't us, or die, and then we will have killed them.

The orcs could be lured out into the valley by just sending an army there and poking them a bit and then burned with minimum casualties.

The problem is taking the three mountains that aren't occupied by skaven because letting the rats gain more ground is a bad strategy.
 
I'm not sure what you're discussing, so I can't really argue for or against it. But, generally speaking, the purpose isn't to scare orcs; you can't scare orcs, that's not what they do. The purpose would be to get them to fight somebody that isn't us until they die, at which point they either win, and kill the other people who aren't us, or die, and then we will have killed them.
I'm arguing against sending the dragon at the orcs of Kara, because it seems just as likely to provoke the orcs of Karak Drahz into coming more aggressively into K8P as anything else. That's all.
 
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I think people are too willing to jump to violence with regards to the dragon.

It's an intelligent being. Probably arrogant and entitled as fuck, but Warhammer dragons are not inherently evil in the same way Skaven or Beastmen are. Neither do they have an unbreakable pact with Chaos like Dragon Ogres. We should talk to it.
 
I'm arguing against sending the dragon at the orcs of Kara, because it seems just as likely to provoke the orcs of Karak Drahz into coming more aggressively into K8P as anything else. That's all.
We can't do that, because it's a wizard. I was talking the other way around entirely.

I think people are too willing to jump to violence with regards to the dragon.

It's an intelligent being. Probably arrogant and entitled as fuck, but Warhammer dragons are not inherently evil in the same way Skaven or Beastmen are. Neither do they have an unbreakable pact with Chaos like Dragon Ogres. We should talk to it.
My first reaction was 'I want to befriend this thing'. But expressing a desire to be friends with something isn't much of a plan. We can't know more about peaceful options unless we research it, and it otherwise gets rather stale. This discussion might give you the impression that the thread has jumped straight to violence, but I feel that it is on the tail end of a lot more peaceful discussion.
 
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We can't do that, because it's a wizard. I was talking the other way around entirely.
The orcs of Karak Drazh can't *reach* it. Their leader gaining the burning desire to murder the dragon is unlikely to translate into any meaningful changes, and we would need to infiltrate a mountain packed full of hostile greenskins in order to learn the leader's name, which we can do with night prowler but which represents AP we could use on anything else. It's not a good idea.
 
No killing the dragon until we're a vampire and can drink its blood!

And Mathilde has to be aware that she's a vampire for it to work, otherwise she's just waste it! Probably by bottling it up and then ignore it for a decade, that's how Mathilde treats magical blood...
 
I think people are too willing to jump to violence with regards to the dragon.

It's an intelligent being. Probably arrogant and entitled as fuck, but Warhammer dragons are not inherently evil in the same way Skaven or Beastmen are. Neither do they have an unbreakable pact with Chaos like Dragon Ogres. We should talk to it.
The problem with talking is that the dragon needs to be awake - and an awoken dragon is all but impossible to kill.

And personally, I see no way we can reconcile dragons probable wish to keep posession of his posessions with the dwarven wish to reclaim the hold and it's riches.

Talking to the dragon is the more risky option, in my opinion.
 
The orcs of Karak Drazh can't *reach* it. Their leader gaining the burning desire to murder the dragon is unlikely to translate into any meaningful changes, and we would need to infiltrate a mountain packed full of hostile greenskins in order to learn the leader's name, which we can do with night prowler but which represents AP we could use on anything else. It's not a good idea.
Well, it would probably result in an overland invasion of k8p from Karak Drazh and a target-rich environment for shadow tower field testing. Still, I'm not sure it's that good - we are in no position to capitalise on it.

Siccing someone more local would work much better. I don't suppose we have some local sources of orks left?

No killing the dragon until we're a vampire and can drink its blood!

And Mathilde has to be aware that she's a vampire for it to work, otherwise she's just waste it! Probably by bottling it up and then ignore it for a decade, that's how Mathilde treats magical blood...
This is not a vampire quest, sadly.
 
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Well, it would probably result in an overland invasion of k8p from Karak Drazh and a target-rich environment for shadow tower field testing. Still, I'm not sure it's that good - we are in no position to capitalise on it.

Siccing someone more local would work much better. I don't suppose we have some local sources of orks left?
There's the Night Goblins, if they count.
 
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[X][PURCHASE] Firkin of top-quality dwarf ale for LM Olenus (5gc)
[X] Plan Present Concerns
-[X] PROJECT: Queekish
-[X] PROJECT: Skaven Politics
-[X] PROJECT: Dragon
-[X] PROJECT: Karag Mhonar
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I think people are too willing to jump to violence with regards to the dragon.

It's an intelligent being. Probably arrogant and entitled as fuck, but Warhammer dragons are not inherently evil in the same way Skaven or Beastmen are. Neither do they have an unbreakable pact with Chaos like Dragon Ogres. We should talk to it.
I'd much rather diplomance the dragon than fight it, but we can't afford to assume that that'll be an option. It might have Grudges against it, or be on record as a domineering asshole, or just wake up with a massive hangover and decide to cure it by eating some dwarves. We need to be prepared for the worst case scenario, as being unprepared for it is likely to end in outright disaster.
 
My chief hope is that we don't get assigned to deal with the dragon; dwarves have a long history of interactions with dragons, and probably know what they're doing. But it's still good that we offer. Karag Mhonar, now. That's outside the dwarf context. I'm guessing that we get assigned Queekish or KM.

...or maybe I'm just hoping, because I can imagine how we squeeze extracurriculars in there, and am not sure how we squeeze it into "Belegar wants us to solve a dragon in a year."
 
Just because Skaven have magic users doesn't mean that every magic effect on every leader will be spotted, identified as hostile and removed. For one thing, any smartarse seer who makes a habit of it will get jobbed by some captain of stormvermin who suddenly really hates them and if that doesn't work then by Mathilde herself. For another, we can keep doing it - if today's attempt to start a blood feud doesn't take we let the item recharge and stir the pot again tomorrow.

If they do somehow prove resistant to being messed with this way, a case study on how the limitations play out will tell us a lot and get us some of the college favour back. Meanwhile we can still use it to manipulate greenskins.

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My chief hope is that we don't get assigned to deal with the dragon; dwarves have a long history of interactions with dragons, and probably know what they're doing. But it's still good that we offer. Karag Mhonar, now. That's outside the dwarf context. I'm guessing that we get assigned Queekish or KM.

...or maybe I'm just hoping, because I can imagine how we squeeze extracurriculars in there, and am not sure how we squeeze it into "Belegar wants us to solve a dragon in a year."

True the dwarfs do have a long his history of dealing with dragons, but as the vote says it's an ugly one. Notably Belegar did not even consider diplomacy when he spoke of the dragon last update.
 
If it comes to waking the Dragon to talk to it, we do have a few useful angles. Any advice/aid from Dragomas would be a godsend and this might interest him, Asarnil if we can hire him both to help us deal with it if hostile and to possibly make it more inclined to talk, and we have a commodity that Dragons might value and be interested. If Dragons are the Eevees of Warhammer, what could they do with AV? Bribing a Dragon with liquid hysh to get back Dwarf gold might not be impossible.
 
True the dwarfs do have a long his history of dealing with dragons, but as the vote says it's an ugly one. Notably Belegar did not even consider diplomacy when he spoke of the dragon last update.
Yeah, I'm not expected Belebro to go kumbayah. But I think it's plausible for him to make fortifying against the dragon Dreng and Gotri's task, since our doom fortress frees up fixed fortifications that can be shifted to the underground front or used in an anti-air capacity, and tell us either to go solve the spooky bullshit that nobody has a goddamn clue about or to learn the language of our enemy so we can read their mail.
 
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