Night_stalker
Slava Ukraini!
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[x] Somewhere in that town-turned-battlefield is Brother Kasmir. Leave Van Hal's side. Find him. Sigmar will heal Van Hal
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- Fantasy Users' Choice!
Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
Sinsystems
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- Location
- Germany
Now we know Van Hals total Martial in open battle is 28.
Pretty nice.
Pretty nice.
- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
@BoneyM Three questions:
- Where the fuck were our Greatswords? (Please take the phrasing as IC)
- I get that we were fucked over by rolls. But what happened from a Watsonian point of view? Didn't our forward charge and all the Dwarfen melee proceed in front of us? And Dwarfs aren't known for speed either.
- Can we vote for write-ins? I don't mean to micro-manage, but stuff like taking only limited command or going out to delegate stuff before going back in are things that aren't clear if they would be done anyway. Specific
BoneyM assured us that the measures I outlined are obviuos enough to be taken regardless of our involvement.
- Location
- Memphis, TN
[x] Somewhere in that town-turned-battlefield is Brother Kasmir. Leave Van Hal's side. Find him. Sigmar will heal Van Hal.
Don't want Anton to win
Don't want Anton to win
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- Outside the Box
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Ok, I hate to say this, but it has to be said: Going to the Light Mages was a mistake. First, the other colleges would have sent an actual Battle Mage instead of a Magister. Second, they could have sent more than one mage. Thirdly, more destructive capability isn't always helpful. As stated in the update, if we had sent for Jade Wizards, this wouldn't be a problem right now. The plan had an overwhelming majority of votes, and it is not turning our well for us.
[X] The plan exists independently of Van Hal; if necessary, it will outlive him. Take command.
-[X] Abuse your authority to get Van Hal healing
This isn't me trying to micromanage things. This is an alternate vote to having Mathilde taking command of the battle in an effort to replace the command lost with Van Hal out of the field. Here, we try and use the authority of command to find either Kasmir and/or the Light Mage. I think this is the most proactive thing we can do to try and save his life. Sitting by his side helps nothing, and going out by herself has little chance to succeed. Taking command gives us the most resources possible, and gives us the best chance possible to actually get healing. As a side-effect, it also lets us keep the battle continuing even with the head of command incapacitated in a way that otherwise wouldn't happen. (But that's not really Mathilde's focus here.)
[X] The plan exists independently of Van Hal; if necessary, it will outlive him. Take command.
-[X] Abuse your authority to get Van Hal healing
This isn't me trying to micromanage things. This is an alternate vote to having Mathilde taking command of the battle in an effort to replace the command lost with Van Hal out of the field. Here, we try and use the authority of command to find either Kasmir and/or the Light Mage. I think this is the most proactive thing we can do to try and save his life. Sitting by his side helps nothing, and going out by herself has little chance to succeed. Taking command gives us the most resources possible, and gives us the best chance possible to actually get healing. As a side-effect, it also lets us keep the battle continuing even with the head of command incapacitated in a way that otherwise wouldn't happen. (But that's not really Mathilde's focus here.)
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- Location
- United States
[X] Somewhere in that town-turned-battlefield is Brother Kasmir. Leave Van Hal's side. Find him. Sigmar will heal Van Hal.
- Location
- Norway
I see the exaggeration has begun already.
I voted for it but was summarily ignored. The vote was specifically: Get Light if you have the blessing so you can overcome institutional rivalry to get something better than a lone Magister, or get Jade so you have skilled healers for key figures being injured.
Yeah, super swords like Runefangs really shine in champion combat, where it cuts through all the bullshit armor and other eldritch crap.
On skeletons, its basically working like a magic weapon that can't get stuck, they're too weak for the difference to be significant.
With a dwarf forged weapon to boot!
But first Van Hal must live.
As per the combat plan:
-1st Row - Infantry, Van Hal, Mathilde
-2nd Row -Infantry, Greatswords
-3rd Row - Slayers
So they were unable to reach us for some reason until the Slayers caught up on stubby dwarf legs and the opposition became so much paste.
...Based on the reinforcement roll I hope they didn't take a leaf from Frederick's Greatswords.
Nope. We were leading the charge, then suddenly realized that nobody else was charging with us after we carved a line deep into enemy ranks.
We then fought desperately while cut off until the dwarf forces punched through the wall of undead where the human forces could not.
Its actually sound tactics. Have your elites take the point of a wedge, the main body of the troops then catch up and widen it into a beachhead while the elites fade back through the ranks once they did the breakthrough. But the press didn't happen.
As had been said many times, if its just trying to do another presented option, don't bother.
Read the previous update. Van Hal knows his Martial. He structured the army to work around Gustav's poor Martial by issuing orders directly to the 4 generals under Gustav. They will have the following priorities:
1) Not get killed. The first efforts would go towards seizing and securing the town.
2) Protect the Elector. Once the town walls are taken, they'd send the healers to deal with it.
3) Prepare for assault on Drakenhof
We're currently in phase 1.
Nope. Several plans called for Jade. I'm included:
- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
Could you point out the relevant quote? Because I read it completely differently in the last chapter:
-1st wave - Knights of Morr, who just rode through the gates
-2nd wave - Gustav, and hand-selected infantry, some Dwarfen Slayers
-3rd wave - Dwarfes, no details given as to which
-4th wave - Us two, and the bulk of the army
So my question would be, how did we run in there and meet no one of the first three waves, but plenty of skeletons? Did everyone before us essentially get surrounded?
I guess the suggestion is to take command in order to prioritize phase 2 early, then give command back once help is there.
- Location
- Germiston, South Africa
[x] By Van Hal's side. Whatever happens.
Short version, @BoneyM had said repeatedly that Mathilde would do the obvious solutions.
If you vote for her to look for Kasmir, she's not going to ride around yelling in the hopes of randomly finding him. She's going to be accosting messengers and the command apparatus to look for him, THEN ride to him really fast and haul him to Van Hal.
Trying to micro a Take Command vote into a Get Healers vote is specifically one of those "characters are not retarded" elements that were mentioned.
Oh, hmm, rereading it, it could be that we were assaulting multiple gates, in which case splitting into 4 forces was necessary to make sure no runners escaped to alert the castle by stoppering every entrance
In which case thats a hell lot more epic than I thought, because we held out until the dwarfs reached our position from the OTHER SIDE of the city.
- Location
- Earth
[X] By Van Hal's side. Whatever happens.
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Well after this I think we have a good excuse to focus on less strenuous activities in the near future.
LoganBert34
Apprentice Clerk
- Location
- Australia
Yeah, those poor blokes were basically elite redshirts...
This predicament is the result of 2 nat 1s. While yeah, getting Jade wizards might have been helpful, we could have reasonably assumed we'd get some Sigmarite war priests.
- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
That could be what happened. Or it could not. Which is why I'm asking @BoneyM for clarification.
Actually we did run into men form the second wave.
Given this, the return of dwarves and the talk before the charge, I'm thinking that the battle went as follows:
1. Knights of Morr took the gates.
2. Second wave and Gustav reinforced them (I guess that's where Markus was?), waiting for dwarves. Skeleton hordes started to push back.
3. Dwarves went into town to take high spots and towers, as per plan based on Magnus's teachings.
4. Mathilde and Van Hal charged into gates just as skeleton hordeshit started to get real.
5. Something cut us off from not only fourth wave but from the remains of second wave as well. Maybe some magical terror?
6. We fought waves of skeleton fighters (no archers, thankfully), until dwarves took the walls and cared to notice the whole debacle.
All in all, there were no obvious mistakes made by us or Van Hal except for relieving Markus from bodyguard duty. Jade wizard would be very handy right now, but if everything went okay, well, more dakka or more buffs from Light order is nothing to sneeze as either. That's just war, sometimes things like that happen.
I think runners are taken care of by halfling pickets, so we're storming a single gate. It's not really plausible to assault multiple gates from a single base camp, as seen in the update.
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[x] Somewhere in that town-turned-battlefield is Brother Kasmir. Leave Van Hal's side. Find him. Sigmar will heal Van Hal
Is it just me, or is sitting at his bedside to stare at his injured body precisely not what we should be doing right now? Exactly what reason is there for that besides shipping? We have a fucking invasion to win right now, either get our liege healed up and rejoin the fray, or take the reins ourselves. I'd honestly prefer the latter, just to get us on the battlefield immediately, but I have less faith in that winning at this moment.
We have far too much responsibility to just stop fighting. Van Hal would not want Mathilde to just sit around.
Is it just me, or is sitting at his bedside to stare at his injured body precisely not what we should be doing right now? Exactly what reason is there for that besides shipping? We have a fucking invasion to win right now, either get our liege healed up and rejoin the fray, or take the reins ourselves. I'd honestly prefer the latter, just to get us on the battlefield immediately, but I have less faith in that winning at this moment.
We have far too much responsibility to just stop fighting. Van Hal would not want Mathilde to just sit around.
A couple of holes in our guts, for one.
- Location
- Norway
[X] By Van Hal's side. Whatever happens.
The army has commanders to spare. Mathilde is wounded and should also get some rest. This is not the time to go charging around looking for either officers, priests or enemies. Let's just sit right here next to Best Boss and... uh... look out for assassins. Magical assassins. Yeah, that's a good reason to be here.
And let's stop pestering Boney for all the information just now; I trust he'll explain when it makes sense and Mathilde has more opportunity to understand what happened. Battlefields are chaotic.
The army has commanders to spare. Mathilde is wounded and should also get some rest. This is not the time to go charging around looking for either officers, priests or enemies. Let's just sit right here next to Best Boss and... uh... look out for assassins. Magical assassins. Yeah, that's a good reason to be here.
And let's stop pestering Boney for all the information just now; I trust he'll explain when it makes sense and Mathilde has more opportunity to understand what happened. Battlefields are chaotic.
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