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I don't think the Lahmian Sisterhood's intelligence network is generally mercantile. They work by marrying in and honey traps, I think.

Generally, the way pre-modern trade works means that we're talking about chains with multiple links, with one merchant having no idea who the next link in the chain is selling to, and the next link in the chain being in the next market town.
Naw, thats for their deep connections.
The information still has to travel, and a lot of the relay nodes are going to be necessarily mercantile, its easily deniable, it piggybanks on an existing service, its self funding, and hell, it'd even self-regenerate.

If you disrupt trade, you disrupt information.
Absolutely they'd patch it up soon enough, its not really a problem for a Big Picture vampire lord, a year or two with the network down is usually just an annoyance.

Having the first warning be when wizard sightings pop up all around Stirland would be fun. For us.
 
...the entirety of the realm of Eastern Stirland, that some know as Sylvania;
...from this day until the last Vampire is driven from the Empire's borders.
Roswita is going to be an absolute twitchy wreck.

It's a mark of cynicism and irrational scapegoating of a god and their church
Nah. It's a mark of cynicism and irrational scapegoating of a god, and cynicism and PERFECTLY RATIONAL AS BORNE OUT BY EVERY EVIDENCE scapegoating of their church.

Note that the proclamation was specifically for the wizards. The Witch Hunters and other Knightly Orders didn't even get mentioned. Clearly even the Emperor can see they're not interested.
I don't believe that people deliberately took a flaw they knew they could work around by leaving the borders of the Empire, but that is effectively what has happened.
I dunno, "I'm pissed at the God of the Empire, so I'm not sticking around in his bailiwick any more than I have to" feels absolutely perfectly natural as a reaction. And it's not like events haven't conspired to bring us back in his borders periodically anyway.
 
Naw, thats for their deep connections.
The information still has to travel, and a lot of the relay nodes are going to be necessarily mercantile, its easily deniable, it piggybanks on an existing service, its self funding, and hell, it'd even self-regenerate.

If you disrupt trade, you disrupt information.
Absolutely they'd patch it up soon enough, its not really a problem for a Big Picture vampire lord, a year or two with the network down is usually just an annoyance.

Having the first warning be when wizard sightings pop up all around Stirland would be fun. For us.
Add to the fact that they might not believe some of the info at first, I mean think about it. How would the Elector Countess who they know has a magic phobia manage to get that many wizards of such high ranking to show up?
 
So I'm about to head to sleep soon, so let me try to articulate why I think being part of the Sylvanian campaign is important for us. First of all, let me clarify my belief that Sylvania is officially done after this. Whether we help or not, we won't have anymore fires to put out in Sylvania. No more action sink. It is done.

Now that being said, this is a full mobilization of the colleges of magic. The campaign goal is the goal we ourselves chased for half the quest. It's the goal that Abelheim literally died for. It's in the area that was ours to govern for half the quest and it was started because of us. So now we bugger off? That feels deeply unsatisfying to me narratively. Can we not spend a turn more to properly conclude this portion of the quest? The last time Mathilde was in a campaign in Sylvania, her lord died and even though she won, she lost. This is the sort of campaign where upon it's conclusion we can go to Abelheim's grave, stand with our heads held high and not just say we changed the world but that we've accomplished his dream. No ifs or buts.

It's also her duty to go and help in a way. No one would call her out if we decided to rest and her oath is now to K8P not Stirland. But if we go there, we won't just be Magister Weber. We'll be Dowangr Weber who was the cause of the entire gathering and everyone will know it. We'll be Dame Weber who ran a successful spy network in Stirland and collapsed Castle Drackenhof. We'll also be Shareholder Weber who owns the company that'll likely be supplying the entire army. This is the situation where our presence is worth far more as a political entity and commander than as a individual magister, though that is also important. We are the one person who knows the most about a Stirland and Sylvanian campaign, far more so than Roswita. We are the best person to help coordinate all of these disparate factions, so as a grey wizard shouldn't we go? No one would blame us if we decide not to, of course.

Let's look away from the narrative for a second and look at what concrete we can gain. I would say that being part of such a gathering always has something for us to gain, but this is a bit special. We'll be rubbing shoulders with Matriarchs and Elector Counts. We may even be called upon to speak to the emperor as the local expert. In terms of name recognition, rep boosts and overall usefulness to an empire campaign we will never get anything better than this. We'll get a chance to work with and observe the best mages in the business. We can learn from them and teach them too. Mechanically, this is also the kind of victory we'd get traits for having a hand in. Getting advanced greatsword got us a trait? This is far more narratively intertwined with Mathilde's past and the shadow of Abelheim's death still haunts her in her disdain for Sigmar and her choice of bound spells.

Besides narrative and mechanical reasons, let's look at pure cool stuff. There are battle wizards here. The best of the empire. We'll get a first hand view of what they can do. Just imagine the pure sheer awesomeness in text present here and how it'll be represented in text. I really want Boney write that.

Overall there are many reasons for Mathilde to go for Stirland for at least one more turn and I'd personally would find it incredibly unsatisfying if we couldn't. It'd be a final thematic book-end to our links to Stirland and would also help us a lot in our future career.

EDIT: Also? It gets us more chances to get Great Deeds. I don't think I need to say more on that.
I'm gonna start off with the first paragraph. I do not think it is narratively unsatisfying because we are about to have an interaction with Roswita where we hand of the task, pass the torch fully, to her. With that scouting information I fully expect there to be a good scene to close off this chapter of Mathilde's life for good.

Now this is just my reading but "Can't we just spend one more turn?" and "This campaigns conclusion" really don't mix because its going to last for years and it is now the entire Empire's problem because Mathilde herself elevated it to that level. Like if you think its just gonna be "one done thank you ma'am" and one turn to get a really cool scene, I genuinely don't agree since what we're doing here is starting an entire crusade which will last for decades. One campaign ends and it won, right here, by bringing in the big guns and starting an actual wizard crusade. This is further compounded by point I made above this, where I think that really cool scene is coming in the next update.

Since no one would blame us if we decided other wise I think the claim of it being our duty is flimsy, and is struck out when we are going to be handing Roswita all of that information in the next update. That's what the independent intel action was for. As for the political lynchpin, this is true but also completely unconvincing because we have things that need doing in K8P that mean we can't spend time and actions coordinating in Sylvania. Because its going to take a few years and if we go there and make connections and then go to K8P the turn after its a waste because we won't be capitalizing on any of the nascent connections we made. We'll be a distant figure head who started it, said hi once and then disappeared.

As to never getting anything better than this I am doubtful because I can just look at the Karaz Ankor and see a bundle of opportunities. Like leading the throng of Karak Eight Peaks to stop a Waaagh dead in Black Fire Pass. With the Badlands and Border Princes being so crap its gonna happen eventually. Given its going to last years, I expect that getting a trait from this particular wizard crusade would take years of dedicated actions which is just a cost I don't see as worth it, especially when we might get one soon from the completion we're already going for.

Basically in the point to your final point, I am dead certain that cool scene is already coming, and that the Battle Wizards will be there for decades so we can go watch whenever we have free time/make time for it.
 
Might I recommend asking Belegor before we start pushing for 8 Peaks University. At the very least, he should get some weigh-in on something that would be one of the most radical things to happen in the Karaz Ankor, if not Dwarven history period.
 
WHEREAS, it has come to the attention of His Majesty Emperor Luitpold I that the Imperial Citizens of Eastern Stirland are suffering under the yoke of Vampiric Oppression;
WHEREAS, it is known that the Colleges of Magic are bound by the Articles of Imperial Magic, as laid down by Emperor Magnus the Pious (S·T·T·L);
WHEREAS, it is recognized that the Colleges of Magic are Empowered and Required to seek out and combat the dark forces of Necromancy throughout the Empire;
IT IS DECREED, that the Colleges of Magic are given full and complete permission to unleash any and all magics, enchantments, abilities and allies they see fit that are permitted under the Articles of Imperial Magic;
IT IS DECREED, that the aforementioned permissions explicitly include the application of the restricted powers known as Battle Magics, and those that specialize in their applications;
IT IS DECREED, that this declaration will be in effect for the entirety of the realm of Eastern Stirland, that some know as Sylvania;
IT IS DECREED, that this declaration will be in effect from this day until the last Vampire is driven from the Empire's borders.
May Sigmar have mercy on their souls.

Proclaimed at the Imperial Palace of Altdorf on this the 12th Day of Erntezeit.
Signed by the Emperor Luitpold von Holswig-Schliestein the First.
Signed by the Supreme Patriarch Dragomas of the Amber Order.

Oh wow. Not only is the vampire problem going to get solved, but I suspect that the empire is going to get another province that doesn't have those impenetrable forests that make it impossible to secure.
 
Naw, thats for their deep connections.
The information still has to travel, and a lot of the relay nodes are going to be necessarily mercantile, its easily deniable, it piggybanks on an existing service, its self funding, and hell, it'd even self-regenerate.

If you disrupt trade, you disrupt information.
Absolutely they'd patch it up soon enough, its not really a problem for a Big Picture vampire lord, a year or two with the network down is usually just an annoyance.

Having the first warning be when wizard sightings pop up all around Stirland would be fun. For us.

People that can't use magic or summon and command birds or raise inexhaustible, invisible, ethereal undead to carry messages for them might need to use mundane messengers. That's their bad luck. The Lahmians are beyond such limitations.

Also, remember that the Lahmian Sisterhood is a global organisation. Stirland isn't their main concern or a major object of their interest. Just because there are some Lahmians in Stirland doesn't means that the Sisterhood would care if that tiny part of their network gets burned.

The Von Carsteins are Sylvania focused. None of the other bloodlines really give that much of a shit about the place as far as I can tell. It's particularly worthless for the Lahmians given that their goal is to manipulate mortal civilisation from behind the scenes, and there pretty much is no mortal society in Sylvania.

Just because a couple of Lahmians are messing around there (for the lolz, probably), doesn't mean that they have any strategic interests there.
 
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Huh.

Is this why we can't come back for the dragon bones later? Because by the time we've wrapped everything up and headed back to Sylvania, it will be swarming with Battle Wizards, and they snatched them all up?

Also, I wonder if we got to meet the Emperor in person, and if so, whether that meeting will result in the matter of Schrodinger's Karl Franz being resolved once and for all.
 
Huh.

Is this why we can't come back for the dragon bones later? Because by the time we've wrapped everything up and headed back to Sylvania, it will be swarming with Battle Wizards, and they snatched them all up?

Also, I wonder if we got to meet the Emperor in person, and if so, whether that meeting will result in the matter of Schrodinger's Karl Franz being resolved once and for all.
No, we can't come back later for more loot because the townspeople will loot everything we leave behind (although we are burning the books we don't take)
 
That's not an entirely supported position; it could be that we only get on the list if we spend the currency to begin with.
I don't think so based on this post by Boney where he describes the process.

A Patriarch considers a candidate, either having decided to on their own or from their name being put forward by a Lord Magister. If they are considered a worthy candidate, their name, deeds, discoveries, history, and references from prominent figures are collated into a document that goes to the Magister Patriarch/Matriarch to be considered, and then to the Emperor for same. Technically either could veto it, but just as technically it's an internal matter of the College, so unless there's serious doubts or powerful enemies involved it's just a rubber stamp.
So there's three ways:

-Patriarch/Matriarch decides to on their own. Get famous, which we're already doing a lot.
-Get in with another Lord Magister to have them put you forward.
-Spend a Great Deed to bump yourself up for consideration now. We could do this now.
 
Huh, do halflings on spiders count?

I know that Halflings and We working togther is cool and all but, consider this: Halfling paratroopers dropping from Dwarven gyrocopters using We silk parachutes.

Bright Wizards? What does the pyromancy college have to do with anything that Mathilde would find objectionable?

I'm guessing they meant Celestial College, since Mathilde did use those words to describe it.
 
Especially if there are a lot of Bright Wizards incoming yes.
Strigoi cannot hide in the forest if there is no forest.

Given the mindsets of the various orders, I suspect the Bright Wizards are going to be the most enthusiastic when it comes to taking advantage of the free-fire zone. Not only can they call down all the firestorms they want, but no one's going to care if they burn down the entire forest!
 
Huh.

Is this why we can't come back for the dragon bones later? Because by the time we've wrapped everything up and headed back to Sylvania, it will be swarming with Battle Wizards, and they snatched them all up?

Also, I wonder if we got to meet the Emperor in person, and if so, whether that meeting will result in the matter of Schrodinger's Karl Franz being resolved once and for all.
They're like giant murderous magpies. :V
I don't think so based on this post by Boney where he describes the process.


So there's three ways:

-Patriarch/Matriarch decides to on their own. Get famous, which we're already doing a lot.
-Get in with another Lord Magister to have them put you forward.
-Spend a Great Deed to bump yourself up for consideration now. We could do this now.
I think spending a Great Deed is how you get the first to happen, not a third option. Remember, favor points of any flavor aren't vouchers, they're people going 'hey, remember how cool I was that one time? Pretty promotion worthy, right?' and that sounds like the sort of thing that would actually catch their attention.

I guess we'll find out, though.
 
Looking forward to the wizard get together result the most haha. Success or failure, Mathilde just strolling in like "Sorry I'm late kiddos! Was just off starting the Vampire Crusades. How was your day?"
 
Demigryph Knights have set the precedent that they don't need to be on horses, and Halflings are citizens of the Empire. So, yes.
I know what I want for Christmas.
Might I recommend asking Belegor before we start pushing for 8 Peaks University. At the very least, he should get some weigh-in on something that would be one of the most radical things to happen in the Karaz Ankor, if not Dwarven history period.
Currently his answer to more wizards is Very Yes (it's WoG).
 
I don't think so based on this post by Boney where he describes the process.


So there's three ways:

-Patriarch/Matriarch decides to on their own. Get famous, which we're already doing a lot.
-Get in with another Lord Magister to have them put you forward.
-Spend a Great Deed to bump yourself up for consideration now. We could do this now.
we can also wait for 1 and/or 2 and then use a Great Deed to force the issue.

I want to point out that it been said by BoneyM that there is a political element, it's not just a meritocracy. you can be the best for the job and not get it.
 
Nah. It's a mark of cynicism and irrational scapegoating of a god, and cynicism and PERFECTLY RATIONAL AS BORNE OUT BY EVERY EVIDENCE scapegoating of their church.

Note that the proclamation was specifically for the wizards. The Witch Hunters and other Knightly Orders didn't even get mentioned. Clearly even the Emperor can see they're not interested.
Its not like we didn't invite them. The Church of Sigmar was repeatedly invited but their political squabble was more important.

The Grand Theogonist needs a good hammerin.

People that can't use magic or summon and command birds or raise inexhaustible, invisible, ethereal undead to carry messages for them might need to use mundane messengers. That's their bad luck. The Lahmians are beyond such limitations.

Also, remember that the Lahmian Sisterhood is a global organisation. Stirland isn't their main concern or a major object of their interest. Just because there are some Lahmians in Stirland doesn't means that the Sisterhood would care if that tiny part of their network gets burned.

The Von Carsteins are Sylvania focused. None of the other bloodlines really give that much of a shit about the place as far as I can tell. It's particularly worthless for the Lahmians given that their goal is to manipulate mortal civilisation from behind the scenes, and there pretty much is no mortal society in Sylvania.

Just because a couple of Lahmians are messing around there (for the lolz, probably), doesn't mean that they have any strategic interests there.
The local Lahmians are what I'm referring to, the global organization doesn't matter much for now(they might even approve, those idiots openly holding power need to be taught a lesson).
Keeping in mind that while collectively Lahmians might have magically talented or have the innate vampire abilities to bypass usual chokepoints...it doesn't mean that individual, local Lahmians have such unrestricted capabilities.

Especially when one of them is explicitly without much magical ability and is faking it with magic items.
 
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