Quest
The Great One
- Location
- Everywhere
Don't forget Rider. She's the Dammerlichtreiter.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
It already is big enough, though.
That's nonfiction. Wrong category.
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- Stupid Lucky Time
If you take the time she went to town in the orcish shrine, and defended Abelhelm's body against a small horde of undead, she might be able to pass as a Berserker, too.
Aegon Targaryen
Dragonking of Fuyuki
- Location
- Romania
So...Mathilde's basically Imperial Heracles
Quest
The Great One
- Location
- Everywhere
Isn't that Sigmar?
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Aegon Targaryen
Dragonking of Fuyuki
- Location
- Romania
I meant it in the sense that she qualifies for most classes, except for Lancer and Archer, quite like Heracles qualifies for all classes except for Caster.
Kornet
Quite possibly a sloth abomination
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- Mother Russia
Yay! My first sig!
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- Stupid Lucky Time
On top of that, we can probably squeeze in an Alter version of most of Mathilde's classes. What with the temptation presented by the Liber Mortis and more than a few apocrypha where she flies off the handle and resurrects Abelhelm, and all.
... you know, I was kidding when I said Mathilde could be the Saber of a hypothetical Divided Loyalties/Grand Order, but now I'm not so sure.
- Location
- The Star Kingdom of Manticore
You seem to misunderstand my point here. So lets try again.
My mistrust of Johann isn't because he is doing something better than Mathilde. I don't trust him because he is acting like a grey wizard. I don't trust people who act like grey wizards. I don't trust grey wizards. If I had to look at Mathilde outside of Mathilde's viewpoint I wouldn't trust her either. Yes that's right. I would not trust the main character if she was not the main character. He's trying to be sneaky and I don't trust him because he's trying to be sneaky. Why is he trying to be sneaky?
Let's look at it another way. Why should we trust Johann? The expedition end epilogues lasted about three months. During those three months he was scouting the skaven looking for tech. Where are the maps of the skaven patrols? Of their defenses? Has he reclaimed any tech yet? If he has would he tell us? If he has been scouting the Skaven for three whole months why was it that we were the ones that had to map out all the defenses?
He tells us nothing about what he is doing. That is not really a problem though. It's not his job to tell us, however, he is not building trust by keeping all his actions a secret. Whatever trust I had of him evaporated when we were told he was lying about his rank. Some of you may go "Ha! Why do you trust the grey order telling us about his rank if you don't trust grey wizards!" The answer is that I don't. The evidence however points to the truth being told there with how cagey he was acting and how reluctant he was to go back and get a "promotion."
The distance he kept with all the other wizards and his actions after the final battle tell me that he is a lone wolf. That is fine let him be a lone wolf. The fact that he has fought us on every decision we have made regarding him after we "hired" him tells me that he doesn't want to be our friend. That's fine we don't need to be his friend. As long as he does what we tell him to do I don't care what he does with the rest of his time. But, because I don't trust him in the least I don't want him anywhere near any of our research.
Quest
The Great One
- Location
- Everywhere
She does have her gun though it's not a strong part of her legend by itself.
I'd advice to wait until our sword is here.
I think Calculus is actually known, I remember it coming up while writtinge the Matrix paper, and then later being referenced with regards to aiming cannons.
Also, Calculus is all about faking you curves into straight lines until it's a good-enough approximation. The revolutionary insight is that you can pretty much always do that, if you get fine enough.
I think that's wrong. Elves, dwarfs, Ogres and Halflings are all created by the Old Ones, but I think humans are basically the big exception. That's why they suck so much compared to Elves and Dwarfs. (Ogres and Halflings were unfinished)
I think we should table discussion of Johann until we've seen the coming update. We should know some more about him by then, as Mathilde will have spent a fair amount of time over that six month period with him.
As I understand it, Humans are also a (possibly failed) product of Old One artifice. Humans aren't special in Warhammer, apart from at failing specially hard in a high magic environment like Mallus after the warp gates fell.
As I understand it, Humans are also a (possibly failed) product of Old One artifice. Humans aren't special in Warhammer, apart from at failing specially hard in a high magic environment like Mallus after the warp gates fell.
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- Pilipinas
I think someone already asked this but the GM answered that printing press is new tech and not widely used. What is used are blocks
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- Australia
Humans are not in any way an exception. They proceeded dwarfs and preceded halflings. There's nothing special about humans in Warhammer Fantasy.
EDIT: Halflings were a finished product, but they like the lizardmen, elves, dwarves, and humans were a failure. It was the ogres who were the unfinished product.
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Well humans are favored in one regard, the Favored Servants of Chaos, as seen by their vast predominance among Chaos champions.
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- The Star Kingdom of Manticore
It would be fascinating to witness talk with beasts working on something and then suddenly stop working. That would be quite a paper.
I think Lizardman were a success at what the Old Ones wanted them to do, which was as servitors to supervise the terraforming of Mallus. They weren't suitable for the next phase of the plan, so the Old Ones tried to invent a humanoid mammal race, and went through several iterations, as you suggest, until running out of time when making the ogres, who were meant to lack the weaknesses of all the prototypes and combine their best features.
notanautomaton
I've got 99 quests, I've finished one
I'd argue that Dwarfs, Lizardmen, and Elfs are successful finished products, though we don't know enough about the Old Ones to know what they were successes at. Halflings would then be Alpha stage proof of concepts, with Ogres being Beta stages that still needed some fine tuning before completion. I'd put humans at alpha stage as well, though we can't know exactly what the Old Ones were aiming for.
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- Australia
No, all were failed though finished products. Lizardmen lacked initiative, elves were too frail (or too few, forgot their weakness), dwarves too susceptible to daemonic trickery, humans too susceptible to corruption, and halflings too physically weak and magically impotent.
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- Aotearoa
Excuse you. Sit on them? Sit?
Sleep on our pile of 8,000-some gold crowns- which, circa six months ago, was almost twice as large!
Do you expect us to sleep on a pile of books, like some common overworked College Perpetual archivist?
I wonder if it depends on the perspective of the caster or broader sapient opinion on the planet. Back when there were only a few scattered pre-technology tribes of humans I wonder if an elf's casting of it would work on one of them.
On the other hand, dragons have been known to be sapient forever, but you can still use Ghur to turn into one of them, or into a giant. Based on the current discussion, I wonder if Ghur works on anyone that isn't one of the Old One's creations, as that's the definition of beast they imposed on the Aethyr.
Given the nature of the Grey Wind, this kind of ambiguity might be something that it's well worth a paper in collaboration with the Ambers on. Does the spell working reflect some kind of metaphysical truth, is it a judgement of the collective unconscious with the We not getting enough of a vote, or is it a relic of arbitrary categories established be the Old Ones.
I didn't misunderstood zilch.
Your point is that you are biased and coloured by your own personal lens instead of Mathilde's viewpoint. Oh sure, the characters have their own biases - the anti-Sigmarism in Mathilde, the pride of Belegar, etc - and taking a view form outside the PoV is part of how we guide her decisions in voting but there is a limit. One that you, well, passed. Like:
Mathilde switched from paranoid to vindicated suspicious to trolling in all scant few interactions we had so far. If the self-avowed 'naturally suspicious' Intrigue 19 Windsage PC do not have undue reason to mistrust Johann, then that's, in my eyes, almost good enough.
Almost, and why I voted for Citadel. To shut for good the shadowrunning that is happening with regards to Johann. Establish an actual two-way street of professional relationship and get a measure on him. As you said, we don't need to be his friend. But we most certainly need to be more than an aloof boss who doesn't have a concrete grasp of his capabilities.