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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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DragonParadox said:
We literally have no clue who that dwarf was though, We took it off a dead Skaven.
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Mathilde was pretty confident in the update that our dwarves could figure out where the suit was stolen from. If the hold it came from still stands we just punt it on over to them and then it's just a trivial matter of a few decades of arguing/bookkeeping before it finds its way to its rightful home! :V
 
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picklepikkl said:
(And for my fellow romance lovers: we can probably gain our collection more gradually and cheaply. I think the Extensive/Esoteric bothered a lot of people, and while I want a rare edition of obscure trashy literature as much as the next fellow, I think it will be easier to talk people around to cheaper options.)
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I've been voting for just "Romance Novels" from the beginning. Mat knows best how many and from where she would like. This seems like the best vote for Romance reading.
 
HavocKeeper said:
[X] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Romance Novels, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons.
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Still got that.
 
Alliterate said:
I suggested this, too.
Most of those other lists still include things I consider extravagances. (100 gold on Morr books).
I think people wanting to burn our gold fast on books internalised the wrong lesson from our chat with the bursar.
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There's still worth in them, not only academic but as smokescreen for our sudden Morr knowledge.

But I can accept that compromise to not spend like half a thousand gold on romance novels.
 
Alliterate said:
Most of those other lists still include things I consider extravagances. (100 gold on Morr books).
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I think the Morr books give a very useful cover for the extremely spooky shit we are in the process of learning. Plausible deniability is the name of the game when you are violating Article Seven of the Articles of Imperial Magic.

(And to reiterate, people, after you vote for a book option, go to the tally and make sure you're being added to the option you think you voted for. I'm seeing a lot of 1-vote plans that I think were meant to go to existing options.)
 
picklepikkl said:
Here's my overview post of the various Library options to help people who want a moderate book list unify on a plan:

[] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Romance Novels, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Romance Novels, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons. Brettonian Texts: Extensive Romance Novels. Tilean Texts: Extensive Romance Novels.

This is the current leading purchase plan. It has Imperial, Dwarven, Brettonian, and Tilean romance novels.

[] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons

About twenty votes behind it is this, which has no romance novels but is otherwise identical.

[] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Romance Novels, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Romance Novels, Extensive Daemons.

About twenty votes behind that is this, which drops Linguistics and the foreign-language romance novels from the original plan, but keeps Imperial and Dwarven ones.

[] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Romance Novels, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Romance Novels, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons.

About five votes behind that is this, which adds Linguistics back in.

My belief is that the most likely compromise option, given the amount of time left, is the no-romance option: the one I listed second. Since these long lists of book topics kind of blur together, check the vote tally to make sure you're being credited to the plan you think you're being credit to!

(And for my fellow romance lovers: we can probably gain our collection more gradually and cheaply. I think the Extensive/Esoteric bothered a lot of people, and while I want a rare edition of obscure trashy literature as much as the next fellow, I think it will be easier to talk people around to cheaper options.)
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Yes, Esoteric romance is where I drew the line and decided that I'd rather have no books than spend money on that.

Yes, I do hate fun.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
There's still worth in them, not only academic but as smokescreen for our sudden Morr knowledge.
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Why a smokescreen? We were spymaster in Stirland. Knight of Morr improved their relationship with the Elector Count while we were there.

Alliterate said:
"Grey College, remember? Know all, see all. I worked as Spymaster in Stirland, home of the Knights of Morr- a powerful order that doesn't directly serve the Elector Count."
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Alliterate said:
Why a smokescreen? We were spymaster in Stirland. Knight of Morr improved their relationship with the Elector Count while we were there.
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Yeah, but... the Knights of Morr aren't the type to talk about their beliefs/history/practices in the level of specificity we might need to pass off. They aren't the type to talk, period.
 
I may regret asking that... but what is the general consensus on vote trading?
 
Alliterate said:
And Amber magic? Two sources of linguistics books, some Esoteric?
We've got +7 on bleeping talking to arachnids already.
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Given how critical this could be especially for those that want to integrate them or use them as a military ally I think stacking the deck so that we hopefully hit +15 is not that awful and it's not like linguistics isn't likely to be useful else where. Depending on how things go with the Liber Mortis we might need to try and pick up Nekharan lore to learn about their spell casting traditions.
 
picklepikkl said:
Yeah, but... the Knights of Morr aren't the type to talk about their beliefs/history/practices in the level of specificity we might need to pass off. They aren't the type to talk, period.
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You know what Mathildes pretty damn good at? Half truths. "Abelhelm wished a better relationship with the knights of Morr. Such a great man, and few knew more about laying the restless dead back to sleep than he."
SuperSonicSound said:
Given how critical this could be especially for those that want to integrate them or use them as a military ally I think stacking the deck so that we hopefully hit +15 is not that awful and it's not like linguistics isn't likely to be useful else where.
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Ah, but I do find it awful.
Awful and gauche and metagamy to spend hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of gold on chasing fleeting bonuses.
Core books for ongoing issues like Orcs, Skaven, their magic- sure.
 
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racnor said:
Done.
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Reciprocated.

Moderate purchase plan option has 13 votes to make up with 3 hours to go. I believe in us, thread. I believe in our ability to reach compromises.

EDIT: To aid anyone who wants to see us successfully compromise:

[] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons

is the compromise option in the lead.
 
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Alliterate said:
Ah, but I do find it awful.
Awful and gauche and metagamy to spend hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of gold on chasing fleeting bonuses.
Core books for ongoing issues like Orcs, Skaven, their magic- sure.
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So wait you find it awful that Mathilde is trying to prepare ahead of time for what might happen? That's not really meta gaming. Yes the ooc reasoning is "This provides a slight mechanical advantage." The IC reasoning is "This will help me formulate a way to deal with the issue with deeper understanding" That's not meta gaming, if we had no mechanical system in place and just narrative effects to go by people will still suggest the same actions.

In much the same way that we don't need to see a + to combat action rolls to know that Mathilde using a sword is more effective than mathilde using her fist.
 
In this manner? To this extent of crazily extravagant expenditure? On top of Romance and Morr and Amber magic and all the Random Stuff from last turns bulk buy?
Yes, yes I absolutely do.
 
Alliterate said:
Ah, but I do find it awful.
Awful and gauche and metagamy to spend hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of gold on chasing fleeting bonuses.
Core books for ongoing issues like Orcs, Skaven, their magic- sure.
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I mean, Wizards liking lots and lots of books isn't exactly metagamey. Wanting the pluses, maybe, but in universe terms that just means that we're well read on a variety of subjects, which presumably is the entire point of having a very impressive library. Wizards don't just collect the things because they like the aesthetics.

The real travesty is, of course, spending hundreds of gold on romance novels instead of anything useful, which is so ludicrously excessive and indulgent that an argument could be made that it sounds an awful lot like a legitimate baby's first temptation of Slaanesh.
 
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