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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Ahhhh realized I missed a couple of very key lines of Eike's dialogue near the end, edited those in now. Hopefully better then it was.
 
Two fun Omakes!
ReImagined said:
Adela's Dauntlessly Explosive Luxurious Aviation
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Honestly, that's the first time I'd ever noticed an alt-universe version of my profile in one of these, and I searched back and found a couple more references from the fairly distant past, so my thanks for that, too.
Glau said:
An EIC Interlude, Part Three
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I like the interplay and mentorship you're showing between Eike and the Hochlander.
 
What was the other spell that was crammed into the saddle horn again? I remember Egrimm carried us that roll but not what he cast.
 
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Glau said:
What was the other spell that was crammed into the saddle horn again? I remember Egrimm carried us that will but not what he cast.
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Clarity, which reduces mental penalties for a few hours. In the RPG it just straightforwardly reduces penalties to Intelligence, Willpower or Fellowship; I presume this is where the idea for the saddle came from: alongside Shadowsteed it would let the rider ride all night and be less mentally exhausted from lack of sleep.
 
mathymancer said:
well yes, but not as stupid as Matt Ward, who wrote Uniforms & Heraldry of the High Elves. After all, which God or Gods should the mages of Saphery revere, being a group of studious magic users who study in the Tower of Hoeth and prize wisdom and knowledge above all other things? Well, they're called Loremasters of Hoeth, they work in the tower of Hoeth, and according to Markus Fischer they carry swords because of a myth that Hoeth stole a sword from a daemon or something. So obviously they all bear crescent tokens of Lileath, Goddess of fortune and prophecy - it just makes sense, you see. So most of their banners have moons or crescent moons, and also swords but specifically Lileath's swords because as we all know Lileath carries two swords, and of course also a bit of Morai-Heg imagery because yeah why not.
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Not all mages of Saphery are loremasters of Hoeth, those are different kinds of wizard (though the loremasters are loaded with Lileath symbols). All wizards in High Elves 8e have a special rule called Lileath's Blessing which boosts High Magic spells, so Lileath seems pretty important to High Elf magic in that edition of Warhammer. Swordmasters of Hoeth and Loremasters of Hoeth both carry single big swords, as compared to the two one-handed swords Lileath wields in heraldry depicting her.

EDIT: There's also the Lileath's Blessing army stance in Warhammer 3, which is a great boost to magic.

Teclis also bears the Moon Staff of Lileath and a Scroll of Hoeth.
 
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I remember reading somewhere that the first wind Hoeth drew to him was Ulgu because of the confusion he felt when he first discovered the winds of magic. Does anyone know what source that's from?

EDIT: I have the source for the daemon named Ulgu, but that's different.
 
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Andres said:
I remember reading somewhere that the first wind Hoeth drew to him was Ulgu because of the confusion he felt when he first discovered the winds of magic. Does anyone know what source that's from?
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Not sure if you were asking for an official source (or if there is an official source), but it's been mentioned in-quest.
Boney said:
"Ulgu. Legend has it that it was the first Wind that Hoeth mastered, as His confusion at the Winds drew it to Him. A good omen." She smiles briefly, a flash of genuine amusement that disappears in a heartbeat.
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Why take votes away from the Cult of Signar when you can just add more votes to dilute their power?
This presents a significant difference because there has been precedent for expanding the vote (yes there is the Dieter mootland debacle but also the cult of Sigmar didn't start with three votes).

From there you can theorize about horse trading away new votes to different parties. Why not try to get an electorship for the supreme patriarch? An imperial dwarf representative loyal to the empire first and foremost?

We have a great boon. Not averse to trading it for an electorship for the college.
 
RwconHD said:
This presents a significant difference because there has been precedent for expanding the vote (yes there is the Dieter mootland debacle but also the cult of Sigmar didn't start with three votes).
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Dieter IV doesn't have anything to do with the Moot, that was established around 1000 IC by Emperor Ludwig the Fat. Who also happens to be the one that originally gave the Grand Theogonist a vote.
 
4th edition WFRP also says that the Electors since then instituted checks upon the Emperor's power preventing him from unilaterally granting new Electoral votes, and while 4th edition is of lesser canonicity to DL, 2nd edition at least alludes to something like that because Karl Franz tried to give Gormann a vote and was rejected by the Electors (And the only Emperor besides Ludwig to expand the electors was Magnus with unimpeachable religious and public support).
 
RwconHD said:
We have a great boon. Not averse to trading it for an electorship for the college.
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As much as I'd want to make the Supreme Patriarch an Elector, a 'mere' Great Boon wouldn't be enough to get it. One of the possible uses was IIRC to get a law/policy under consideration by the Elector's Meet, at which point the Electors would still have to pass it or reject it. Unfortunately, introducing a new Elector is very likely to be met with near-universal opposition unless there was a Very Good Reason for it, and doubly so in this case considering the very delicate topic that are Wizards. We'd have to play Imperial Politics a lot - or do something really big, as in 'defeat an Everchosen by yourself' big - just to change the Electors' default position to "let me think about it" instead of the current "Haha, no".
 
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So I've been re-reading the quest, and stumbled upon what seems to be a rather confusing inconsistency:
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If the timing is not required? Then it is an empowerment, sacrificing eight members of a family to call upon the Violent to empower him - for eight is His holy number. The timing would be pageantry, either out of madness or a sense of drama, or perhaps to catch up the deaths of his family in the resonation as an extra sacrifice to his God.

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"Okay, to lay it out:

Possibility one. Ritual of Empowerment. Culminates at the seventh murder, Alric will be caught off-guard with his defences useless.

Possibility two. Ritual of Dedication. Culminates at the eighth, which may not necessarily be an Unfähiger murder - Alric himself might be the target.

Possibility three. Ritual of Vengeance. Culminates at the seventh, which will catch Alric off-guard but will not negate his defences, and this might lead Alric to think the Empress might be behind it.

Well, it's a lot more to work with than we had."
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RwconHD said:
Why take votes away from the Cult of Signar when you can just add more votes to dilute their power?
This presents a significant difference because there has been precedent for expanding the vote (yes there is the Dieter mootland debacle but also the cult of Sigmar didn't start with three votes).

From there you can theorize about horse trading away new votes to different parties. Why not try to get an electorship for the supreme patriarch? An imperial dwarf representative loyal to the empire first and foremost?

We have a great boon. Not averse to trading it for an electorship for the college.
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Because as people mentioned before, it dilutes everyone's powers. Nobody is going to support it when it hurts them just as much as the Sigmarites.
 
Blackwing said:
So I've been re-reading the quest, and stumbled upon what seems to be a rather confusing inconsistency:
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The difference is explored in between the two sections of text you quoted, as we learned more about the original murders. The most notable section:

"We know one thing that Alric almost certainly doesn't," you say to one of the illusory Regimands. "Even if he does know the link between the Haupt-Anderssen murders and these ones, I'm almost sure he doesn't know that there wasn't an eighth murder. From how the Witch Hunters act it seems like only those with direct involvement in Eagle Castle are considered to have need to know, and the natural assumption for anyone else would be that he was an exceptionally gruesome eighth murder."

"So if Alric thinks it's an empowerment, he might be taken by surprise by the seventh murder being the culmination," he says thoughtfully. "He might also believe that the eight is significant, being the number of the Violent. But if it is relevant in that way, it would be seven, that of the Unwell."
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Mandred being a wizard is probably going to hurt the chances of the actual colleges getting a vote on the grounds that he's never going to vote against their interests where applicable. So if the Supreme Patriarch gets allocated a vote, then the colleges will have two guaranteed supporters.
 
I don't think the supreme patriarch is likely to get a vote simply because their power base is in Altdorf, and granting them one would centralize five(? Prince of Reikland, three sigmar, one wizard) votes in one city.
 
Blackwing said:
But why would Mathilde initially count Alberich as the eight Haupt-Anderssen murder when she already suspects him of performing the ritual after having been sucked into the warp and spat back out?
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Him being murdered and him being alive to murder other people are not contradictory facts when dealing with magic. It's only when she finds out that it was his ritual that took him to the warp (and not someone else's using him as a sacrifice or something going wrong with a ritual) that his murder is confirmed not to be a murder. Or at least, that's my understanding.
 
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