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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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DragonParadox said:
I just had a thought about next turn, assuming we do go to Lothern... we could use the Father. There was already some talk of using it next turn so we can poke the Lady which is looking more and more like the Other Daughter, but what if we used it on elf gods as well? Lothern is a cosmopolitan port city, just the kind of place one would expect to find priests of Elven gods one can approach and speak to as a random human and see if they exhibit an unexpected degree of trust. On the other hand I expect that if we can do this it will come at the cost of some or all of our shopping so I'm not sure if it is worth it, especially since using the Protector for killing Druchi has obvious advantages.
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an excellent idea with no drawbacks
 
DragonParadox said:
we could use the Father. There was already some talk of using it next turn so we can poke the Lady which is looking more and more like the Other Daughter, but what if we used it on elf gods as well? Lothern is a cosmopolitan port city, just the kind of place one would expect to find priests of Elven gods one can approach and speak to as a random human and see if they exhibit an unexpected degree of trust.
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We could do this just as well in Laurelorn, though. The Eonir have the same pantheon as the Asur.
 
I much prefer focusing on human Gods when talking about the daughters, but I guess I'll actually address the elf daughters idea now that we are moments away from getting books on the entire elf pantheon (barring a sudden upset in the vote).

The elf pantheon has nine female Goddesses. Three of them - Drakira, Ereth Khial, and Anath Raema - can be ruled out immediately as they are too comically evil to be Shallya's daughters. Two - Hekarti and Atharti - are actually known to be sisters, so they can be safely considered a package deal; either both are daughters, or neither are. Even aside from the fact that they don't resemble Ranald or Shallya at all, we can fairly confidently rule those two out as well because we interacted with Hekarti worshippers with the Father active - we recruited House Tindomiel the same turn we want to the Nordland Hedgewise, meaning that both the Tindomiel negotiations and our conversation with Sarvoi happened with the Father active. Some have argued that this doesn't necessarily disprove Hekarti being a daughter, because the head of house Tindomiel can have trust and faith in Mathilde and still be a jerk or whatever. I find this very unconvincing, and if this is your position then it's hard to see what sort of casual interaction with elf worshippers that could plausibly happen in Lothern could prove or disprove a daughter theory.

This leaves Morai-Heg, Isha, Lileath, and Ladrielle. Morai-Heg does not resemble Shallya or Ranald, except in the very weak sense that She resembles Morr and Morr is said to be Shallya's father, so I think it's pretty safe to say She is not a likely candidate. Isha resembles Shallya - in fact She so resembles Shallya that a common theory is that Isha is Shallya. Lileath is associated both with luck and with innocence and forgiveness, which does seem like it could fit a daughter of Ranald and Shallya. Ladrielle's aspects arguably resemble Ranald, but more importantly Ladrielle resembles Kalita, an aspect of Halétha which we know to be a daughter.

All three Goddesses have worshippers in Laurelorn we could in theory interact with, but for the most part it seems like there isn't much of a practical opportunity to do so. Isha is the highest Goddess of the Eonir, and the Queen probably counts as a follower of Isha, but an issue there is that the Queen seemingly already trusts Mathilde and any show of trust and faith from her could be justified on the grounds of Mathilde proving herself to her over the course of the Waystone project. A better candidate for testing this might be House Yavanna, which last time Mathilde interacted with very visibly mistrusted her, but good luck thinking of an action that involves them and isn't a waste of AP. Lileath is worshipped by House Orodreth, a pro-contact Major House we had no interaction with so far, but maybe they'll become more important to the narrative later. Ladrielle is the only one where I think we have a shot of actually testing the theory without wasting AP. House Fanpatar dominates the worship of Ladrielle, and there's already an EIC action on our docket that involves them: helping with the mist road. I guess we can do that on a turn the Father is active and check if the House Fanpatar mages on the project have suddenly stopped being so skeptical of Mathilde chisel-fingers, but the benefits if that actually works seems pretty marginal so I don't think that's something worth going out of our way to do.
 
Tobtorp said:
and we wont have to do that in lothern why? it isn't like the elves have a habit of yelling out their favorite god randomly when seeing a human...
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Nah, that is only for festivals, but they do have temples. I think a full month might be a bit excessive to do a driveby of all of them. It is the elf tourist trap central ask them for some god-flavored souvenirs and the ones that admit they are a scam have to be priests of the Daughters. :V
 
DragonParadox said:
Nah, that is only for festivals, but they do have temples. I think a full month might be a bit excessive to do a driveby of all of them. It is the elf tourist trap central ask them for some god-flavored souvenirs and the ones that admit they are a scam have to be priests of the Daughters. :V
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Aren't we only a few days in lothern? As in "enough to do some shopping?"
 
[X] Initiate
We can't miss this. Very important for budding k8p culture.

[X] Dooming and Quickening
Our duty as Godmother


[X] Witch Hunter
I'll bite.

[X] Amber College
Always vote for salamanders

[X] Skull River Ambush
It would be good to find out what really happened.

[X] Entrance Examination
I wonder who that mysterious noble is ;)))


And more books for the book throne

[X] [ITHILMAR] A copy of the Library of Mournings, including most restricted texts.
 
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One of the reasons I want to put election off for one more turn is to negotiate with the druichi here . Not just to get them to stop raiding the empire and rat on thier competitors but also find out what poor idiots Maekelith is making attacking the kill happy eleves. That way we can decide on what to put the coin on. If it is a major invasion than the protector if it is the run of the mill people who made Maekelith mad gambler.
 
Personally I don't think the protector will all the useful there. We might get to save some shadowy elves but as was stated multiple times they don't have much influence or even want to do much politics aside from yelling "and Carthage Nagarythe needs to be destroyed!" At the end of every speech.
So even if we impress them we get the gratefulness of a polity not interested from doing much at all except kill druchii.
 
Night prowler would probably let us get away with some very lucrative nonsense in lotheren, although I don't think we would do that. So all of sides would be good.
 
Tobtorp said:
Personally I don't think the protector will all the useful there. We might get to save some shadowy elves but as was stated multiple times they don't have much influence or even want to do much politics aside from yelling "and Carthage Nagarythe needs to be destroyed!" At the end of every speech.
So even if we impress them we get the gratefulness of a polity not interested from doing much at all except kill druchii.
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Don't you think the gratitude of the people we're fighting with, and who we hope will teach us something while we're fighting with them, will be useful during the three months we will spend with them? The Protector could be the difference between "fine, I guess we'll take this human along since our officials promised" and "oh wow, this human saved my life because they understand killing Druchii is The Right Thing, I guess they're actually a person".
 
mathymancer said:
Don't you think the gratitude of the people we're fighting with, and who we hope will teach us something while we're fighting with them, will be useful during the three months we will spend with them? The Protector could be the difference between "fine, I guess we'll take this human along since our officials promised" and "oh wow, this human saved my life because they understand killing Druchii is The Right Thing, I guess they're actually a person".
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Luckily enough we still can save people without a magical item promting us to do so! Isn't it neat.
No but really the protector is really good for big damn hero™ moments where you save a city or a country or something bigger where not everyone knows it's happening. We will probably be doing small unit tactics of ambush, sabotage and assassination where we are a small group.
I do not see a reason for the protector aside from hoping a black ark lands and we get to do something stupidly heroic.
 
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Tobtorp said:
Luckily enough we still can save people without a magical item promoting us to do so! Isn't it neat.
No but really the protector is really good for big damn hero™ moments where you save a city or a country or something bigger where not everyone knows it's happening
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For the record, the Protector is also really good when want to establish an alternate persona. Since people would instinctively "know" you are who you pretend to be.

Of course, this probably won't be applicable to the Elfternship either.
 
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