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It also depends on what we're planning to do next. Waiting until we have both would be great, but if sentiment on the Elfcation results in us going on it before we finish the book then I wouldn't want to delay the drop itself until after it's done, for instance.
 
The problem there might be that the parts would reveal the engineering secrets, depends on how dwarfs think about that.
Hmm, what if we phrased it as asking the dwarfs for help understanding the artifice of our human ancestors, since humans have obviously already achieved this once before, all by themselves? Though I suspect that it would be a case of 'If you don't know it now, and the dwarfs do, then it's a guild secret.' If humans relearn how to make steam tanks and then ask the dwarfs to supply parts, then it's just the humans wanting superior dawi craftsdwarfship for their stuff.
 
I lean a bit more toward handing the Orbs with the book because it's more impressive, but on a purely pragmatic and egoless basis, it might be better for the Colleges to have eight spare Orbs of Sorcery to use in case they really need them.

Like, it's not in any sense mandatory, because Battle Altars can still be used with multiple normal power stones and not just Orbs, but it could make the difference for someone.

I mean if they could cover ten provinces with tributaries wouldn't they already be doing it? I hasten to add that I am not suggesting compilation, just pointing out that this is easy, highly profitable work since a lot of imperial stakeholders of various kind have a vested interest in ensuring that said ten provinces are not filled with Dhar. I think the things that make the most sense to ask for would be low maintenance like knowledge.
I'm pretty sure that if we actively want to see the provinces covered in tributaries, we would normally have to spend the actions ourselves due to us being the crux of the Project, the one through whom everything Project-related passes through.

Like, yes, the rituals will probably start getting spread around the Empire slowly the more places we cover, but the process here involves convincing the Elector of the provinces to pay wizards to do wizard infrastructure stuff for results that, by their very nature, won't be immediately obvious to them. The reasons why we started in Stirland is because we already know Roswita and the tributaries there would have more visible impact because it's next to Sylvania. And even then she was like 'that seems like quite the time investment to bolster the smallest part of the network'.
 
The Dwarves can't build replicas of Miragliano parts. They could probably build parts that can go in the places left by Miragliano parts and make the whole thing work, but there would be a very justified suspicion that if they supply a Dwarf-made part to go in a hole in a machine that's somewhat understood by those that currently drive and maintain it, and do the same for a different hole in a second identical machine, and so on over twelve machines and done over again every time they break down, then that amounts to drip-feeding Dwarven steam technology to the Empire. Dwarves may not be completely averse to sharing technology at times, but they're very much against doing so by accident.

Also, Mathilde is a Wizard, not an engineer, so grappling with this matter is not within her area of expertise, or interest, or jurisdiction.
 
I lean a bit more toward handing the Orbs with the book because it's more impressive, but on a purely pragmatic and egoless basis, it might be better for the Colleges to have eight spare Orbs of Sorcery to use in case they really need them.

Like, it's not in any sense mandatory, because Battle Altars can still be used with multiple normal power stones and not just Orbs, but it could make the difference for someone.
I'm sure if the Empire gets in a serious enough war to deploy the big battle altars in the next 6 months, Mathilde will be able to bring up the Orbs a little early.
 
... then that amounts to drip-feeding Dwarven steam technology to the Empire. Dwarves may not be completely averse to sharing technology at times, but they're very much against doing so by accident.

Also, Mathilde is a Wizard, not an engineer, so grappling with this matter is not within her area of expertise, or interest, or jurisdiction.
Ah, I see the play now. We just need to rescue/reclaim another Major Hold, then play into our internal desire to outdo( Mantle) Sigmar, and ask the Dwarves to once again teach the Empire another paradigm-shifting technology.


More seriously, I really don't envy Adela with that sort of pressure hanging over her. It must be quite the predicament to figure out how to launder what she knows into usable advancements without burning her bridges.
 
I lean a bit more toward handing the Orbs with the book because it's more impressive, but on a purely pragmatic and egoless basis, it might be better for the Colleges to have eight spare Orbs of Sorcery to use in case they really need them.
I am not sure why would it be less impressive?

Like, most people consider magic tricks fun only as long as they don´t get how the fuck did the mage do it. There is a good argument that an academic would think otherwise, but colleges are founded on mysticism so that may not be the case. I don´t think letting them come to their conclusions or puzzling it out over next two or three turns before delivering the actual explanation will be any less impressive.

I would say its arguably more so than turning in the book at the same time, but i do enjoy Mathilde flabbergasting people, refusing to elaborate and then leaving, so thats an entirely subjective opinion.
 
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The Dwarves can't build replicas of Miragliano parts. They could probably build parts that can go in the places left by Miragliano parts and make the whole thing work, but there would be a very justified suspicion that if they supply a Dwarf-made part to go in a hole in a machine that's somewhat understood by those that currently drive and maintain it, and do the same for a different hole in a second identical machine, and so on over twelve machines and done over again every time they break down, then that amounts to drip-feeding Dwarven steam technology to the Empire. Dwarves may not be completely averse to sharing technology at times, but they're very much against doing so by accident.
Unless Anton is asking, but that's Anton for you.
 
I don't think we'd get less of a reward out of it, but it would be slightly less jaw-dropping, is what I mean.
I get it, i just disagree with it. Explaining how you did the what the actual fuck may impress straight academia, but perhaps not the magic kind.

You don´t see Dragomas being any less impressive despite him not sharing his unique variant of Kadon´s transformation, even if it, in theory, it made the Empire stronger.

And we will share the knowledge of how the hell we made it anyway. We will just get to be smug and mysterious for a little while inbetween.
 
I am not sure why would it be less impressive?

Like, most people consider magic tricks fun only as long as they don´t get how the fuck did the mage do it. There is a good argument that an academic would think otherwise, but colleges are founded on mysticism so that may not be the case. I don´t think letting them come to their conclusions or puzzling it out over next two or three turns before delivering the actual explanation will be any less impressive.
For the record, the likeliest outcome is that we deliver the answer on T44, next turn. It is possible that we completely fuck up the rolls on the book and Boney lets us invest extra actions into rewriting it like we did on Thaumomycology (or, for that matter, on our Masterwork paper), but the modal outcome is that we finish writing Aethyric Vitae next turn.

As for the actual question, I'm divided. On the one hand, it's impressive to slam both the orbs and a how-to guide in front of the Colleges at the same time. On the other hand, the concept of dropping the Orbs on them and refusing to explain is very funny, especially if they (understandably) come to the mistaken belief that Eltharion hooked us up as part of our deal with him. Because then there will be six months of "yeah, when Weber showed up with the Orbs I was amazed, but then I realized she must have gotten them from the elves" comments in the Colleges that will be on record before we drop the bombshell that nope, we actually did this ourself and we can do it again. Those are both very impressive flexes, just differently.
 
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I get it, i just disagree with it. Explaining how you did the what the actual fuck may impress straight academia, but perhaps not the magic kind.

You don´t see Dragomas being any less impressive despite him not sharing his unique variant of Kadon´s transformation, even if it, in theory, it made the Empire stronger.

And we will share the knowledge of how the hell we made it anyway. We will just get to be smug and mysterious for a little while inbetween.
Dragomas likely can't share his transformation though. Magic is finicky like that, especially human magic.
 
Dragomas likely can't share his transformation though. Magic is finicky like that, especially human magic.
Right but we can´t be sure of that, and nobody thinks its any less of an achievement even if it did happen to be so.

Also, the book better be perfection, we are challenging Puchta´s Modest treatise on nature of magic. I want our tome to be worthy of being capstone of someones book collection.
 
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Not having magical weapons grade uranium in our attic for longer then necessary and getting it to the people who might need it quicker might be worth skipping out on dropping the book on the same turn as the handover.

Turning a orb into a battle altar probably takes some time and effort, and we will need all we can get when the next everchosen rolls around.
 
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My current preference is dropping off the Orbs immediately and giving a good explanation of what we did to make them, then coming back with the book 6 months later to detail all the other things AV can do.

Its not as clean as just putting it all on the table at once, but making it the biggest possible gigaflex just isn't that much of a priority for me.

(Also I do think the idea of making them assume we got them from the elves is probably DOA- we are, after all, buying up a full suite of power stones in order to do this. The connection is pretty clear.)
 
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Sure. And no one will think Mathilde creating/finding Orbs of Sorcery is less of an accomplishment if she can't explain how or where, but they will think it's more of one if she does.
Not really because thats the thing. Its not just the academics at play here, its magic academia, and secrecy and being smug while not explaining is what makes stuff more interesting. But as i said, thats subjective stuff. I just like it that way more.

My current preference is dropping off the Orbs immediately and giving a good explanation of what we did to make them, then coming back with the book 6 months later to detail all the other things AV can do.

Its not as clean as just putting it all on the table at once, but making it the biggest possible gigaflex just isn't that much of a priority for me.
Why thought? There is not really any benefit for explaining how we made them because AV is literally one of a kind, and six months of research on how to get it is not that much of a headstart.

Its literally the worst of both worlds.
 
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Why thought? There is not really any benefit for explaining how we made them because AV is literally one of a kind, and six months of research on how to get it is not that much of a headstart.

AV is not one of a kind- our method of acquiring it reliably is.

Six months of research is quite a lot, as well.

Also, just, personal bias speaking- if some other character came in with something revolutionary and absolutely refused to explain anything about it, I would find that very frustrating. I don't find frustrating the rest of the Colleges all that entertaining.
 
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