Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Resonant
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Edited the question a bit too slow, meant to ask if they have any higher levels of bonuses (up to how many) or if it's maxed as is. Thanks for the quick reply.
It's maxed.
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That is what I meant, but I am pretty sure that is what Boney is replying to?
Either way, my headcanon is such not because the Grey Order's reasoning otherwise would make no sense (it does, even if that does not mean I would necessarilly agree with it) nor because Mathilde being given so much free reign makes no sense (realistically, she has made herself extremely hard to kill because killing her would destabilize so much that it would take a very, very strong justification to actually do. Better give her some slack as long as its harmless rather than take out the block that supports this jenga tower she has built), but rather, because the purported number of executions does not make demographic sense, based on the number of magicians combined by the fact that the Greys are more eclectic.
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A different contributing factor might be that the Greys could have a tendency to broadcast executions to reassure everyone that might get nervous about how bad a rogue Grey Wizard could be, where the other Colleges would usually keep quiet about what they'd see as a failure to have properly taught and vetted one of their own.
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Then I'll just study the action selections around the spice trades and try to divine whether we did anything else for a synergistic effect at that time.
Parabola
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Re: Silk, the stab-proof one is a big deal and every wizard and important person who wants protective clothing for outings that don't allow armor will probably be getting some, but as Max says, the real money-maker is probably the regular-silk one, which is going to be absurdly profitable once it gets online.
It's... it's going to get really silly. It's entirely possible that any unfortunate traders who come back from Cathay with their own silk are going to find that the thing they've risked so much of their life on is in fact now far less rare and a tiny bit less valuable. Future would-be Silk Road traders might in fact be better off bringing spices or gems.
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Re: Eonir Trade, even entirely insular nations still have internal trade - the Houses would deal with one another with the given goods they produce and the Forestborn and Cityborn would still trade with one another. I assume this is what makes this one of the rare exceptions where a polity/group has more than 0 library points on a given topic but less than the full 5.
...And I can't help but wonder if some of our trade successes with Laurelorn so far have been due to the Eonir's relative inexperience with external trade and how the people at work here have not had their trade ecosystem disturbed for their entire lives up until recently.
It's... it's going to get really silly. It's entirely possible that any unfortunate traders who come back from Cathay with their own silk are going to find that the thing they've risked so much of their life on is in fact now far less rare and a tiny bit less valuable. Future would-be Silk Road traders might in fact be better off bringing spices or gems.
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Re: Eonir Trade, even entirely insular nations still have internal trade - the Houses would deal with one another with the given goods they produce and the Forestborn and Cityborn would still trade with one another. I assume this is what makes this one of the rare exceptions where a polity/group has more than 0 library points on a given topic but less than the full 5.
...And I can't help but wonder if some of our trade successes with Laurelorn so far have been due to the Eonir's relative inexperience with external trade and how the people at work here have not had their trade ecosystem disturbed for their entire lives up until recently.
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K von Carstein
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Well, they're in a strategic location that allows them a lot of power over the Empire, so of course all their neighbours (the 2 of them) want to invade them. And give me 2 nations that can reach each other and never fought a war in hundreds of year oh history. I'm also pretty sure the Asurs attacked the city before it's independence, and still allied after to it.
Marienbourg didn't burn down down all the Empire's infrastructure, just the 2 that would impact their bottom line. They left the rest well enough alone, because ruining the Empire isn't in their best interest so they didn't do it.You could argue that the Directorate is profiting from the misery of the people who invested in those 2 failed ports, but the Empire tried multiple time to profit from the misery of everyone around them.
Taxing peasants is hardly leaving the nobility destitute, there's a reason land ownership was such a big deal.
I mean Kislev also dislikes them to the point that stripping Asur protection from then would be considered as a net good for them, heck even Laurelorn and the Karaz Ankor were into it for some reason, 'Mariengurg' was something we could sell to everyone as the Asur contribution. When the entirety of the sane nations in the north of the Old World dislike someone enough that they would give up a chance at elven shinnies just to make that actor less safe... it might have been something the target did.
K von Carstein
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Honestly, I think Kislev, the Karaz Ankor and Laurelorn were willing to accept that to gain points with the Empire. Why the hell would they care about it otherwise?
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And the misery of everyone on the Empire's coasts that the Norscans enslave and sacrifice to the Dark Gods, eternally damning them- or at least damning them until their soul is annihilated in the most horrifying crucible to exist in setting. Just merchant things y'know.
Trying to pretend this is just economic real politick that justifies Marienburg's actions but doesn't justify the Empire's own doesn't work, you can't even equivocate them. The Empire's actions at best would be installing a feudal oligarchy in the region as opposed to a merchant oligarchy, and it's not like Westerland was some exploited hinterland that fueled an imperial metropole, no more than a lot of the Northern provinces are subject to the tyranny of geography and terrible seaborne neighbors (funny how that reoccurs).
Marienburg's actions, couched as protecting their trade interests they might be, are literally a matter of outright theological concern given just how awful the consequences of being enslaved by Chaos worshippers are liable to be. We've had people balk at the very idea of using Druchii to fuck with other arguably more problematic Druchii, I don't see how Marienburg's policies ensuring the Empire has no effective means of navally contesting or even securing it's coastline to prevent Norscan raiders is any better. Even indirectly aiding and abetting the slavers who's torments will follow you into the afterlife is pretty yikes. Imperial citizens are at risk of dying every single fucking year for that bottom line, with their souls in absolute peril as a result, even if we concede Marienburg's actions are justifiable from their point of view (a big if), it's absurd to argue our character would.
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Well Kislev probably dislikes Marienburg for blocking the imperial fleet from the Sea of Claws where it would hunt Norscans, the same ones that prey on Kislev and its shipping. The Karaz Ankor while accepting of the fact that those cultists acted on their own probably isn't feeling particularly generous towards the nation that hosted the cultists which almost killed a boatload of irreplaceable Longbeards and a guildmaster. Not sure that Laureorn would be getting out of it though, maybe they are also seeing them as a block to pirate hunting in the Sea of Claws were the Eonir plan to be more active in the future.
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Probably this:
That said, that's just an indicator that Marienburg is a wealthy trading city in a strategically important location, which naturally makes it an attractive conquest/raiding target.
Thanks for the quote
As a note I do not think anyone but the Empire is interested in conquering or raiding the place, the others just want access, which means they fundamentally do not trust Marienburg to grant it to the point where they would be willing to give up elven shinnies.
Tasoli
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That doesn't sound correct. Considering they were sponsoring pirates against the canal It is outright wrong even.
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To be fair they are not ruining the Empire, they are ruining those parts of the Empire that could be competition. If Marienburg had a magic wand that could say kill all the sheep in Reikland they would not use it since Reikland wool would make their customers richer and make them richer in a way that does not impact their ability to rake in those profits.
Honestly, new pressure factors should sort "Marienburg as an active detriment to everyone's safety" issue in a couple of decades, presuming adequate leadership on all sides. It is very much within theoretically possible for Marienburg to reorient themself as a rich trading partner and a friend to their neighbors.
The biggest issue is short term Panik once realization that geographically-enforced monopoly is over and ability to keep it that way by force is not quite over but gonna diminish over time; that's the window for stupid shit to happen. + overlapping and compounding issues of political inertia, ossified systems, etc, I did a heartfelt semi-rant about it not a so long ago, no need for a repeat.
If Marienburg and and Empire can get through it without starting a war, then some form of a satisfactory arrangement prolly gonna be reached over next couple of decades, and then old grudges gonna be forgotten and overshadowed by mountains of gold to be made. If.
The biggest issue is short term Panik once realization that geographically-enforced monopoly is over and ability to keep it that way by force is not quite over but gonna diminish over time; that's the window for stupid shit to happen. + overlapping and compounding issues of political inertia, ossified systems, etc, I did a heartfelt semi-rant about it not a so long ago, no need for a repeat.
If Marienburg and and Empire can get through it without starting a war, then some form of a satisfactory arrangement prolly gonna be reached over next couple of decades, and then old grudges gonna be forgotten and overshadowed by mountains of gold to be made. If.
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What kind of logic is that? They are not evil because they aren't kicking puppies for fun?
Everone has a reason for what they do, no matter what.
Only in cartoons you see people do evil for evil's sake.
It's not about the excuses or reasons, what matters is what They actually do, and they have shown that they will try to kill/stab/ruin anyone that can be a problem for their monopoly...
Edit: deleted a quote to Boney that was there for no reason due to posting by phone...
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My point was not about the evil or lack thereof, I was pointing out they are not trying to ruin the empire, they are trying to constrain it in way that is profitable to them. A rich constrained empire is even better than a poor one to them.
Sir_Travelsalot
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According to Knights of the Grail, the ruling Earls of the Marches of Couronne, which is the part of Bretonnia that shares a land border with the Westerland, have been eyeing up the prospect of annexing Marienburg for quite a long while. Though at the present time of the quest we're still a ways off from him being around, Earl Tancred's famous for constantly petitioning King Louien for permission to go conquer the place.
I meant anyone who is part of the Accords and who would have been down with kicking Marienburg as their payment from the elves.
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I'm pretty sure one of the Kislevite characters, not 100% sure which, has pretty much explicitly said that Kislev as a state is somewhat worried about the burghers of Erengrad taking inspiration from Marienburg. "Marienburg gets punished for Marienburg-ing" thus fits their interests, to hopefully show their own burghers that Marienburg-ing Doesn't Pay.
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This isn't how They work or think, otherwise they wouldn't have sabotaged the canal which in the long term means more money for them.
Also, why do you believe that Marineinburg doesn't want to ruin the empire and give them points por that?
It's not that They don't want, it is that They can't.
If they ruin the Empire, the next time an everchosen comes or Bretonia try to anex them they are in a much worse position.
I'm not sure how you concluded that, the Canal is a direct threat to their monopolistic position, it makes the Empire richer in a way they cannot extract a toll out of and for certain houses it might even lead to ruin.