deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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That assumes the Hag Witches want to investigate. Boris can't really make them, and no one will expect him to be able to.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Probably. Humans are shockingly resilient so I can't be sure, but Mathilde can definitely stick around and make sure it's fatal.
I was just making the point that it wasn't guaranteed to go off perfectly first time.
Anyway, I should probably make a vote, and given the discussion I'm not entirely sold on any of the current options. I'm not unhappy with any of the leaders, but I want to throw my hat in anyway.
[X] Nighttime Visit with Pillow Suffocation and Claws
-[X] Mockery of death the Tsar, then suffocate him with a pillow. Leave small cuts in the pillow where the fingertips are digging in, as though the individual pushing the pillow down on his face had clawed hands.
--[X] Combine this all with an illusion of a lahmian with long claw-like fingernails, just in case someone somehow sees you.
A purely mundane form of death, one that could easily be mistaken for natural causes, but the damage dealt to the pillow can be taken as clear evidence of a vampire. It's evidence that would be easy to miss, but we can tell Boris it's there and he can therefore spot it.
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Mathilde has studied anatomy specifically for assassination.
Including for people who are mutated and have multiple redundant organs, which I doubt the Tzar has.
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Sure, and if Mathilde is wielding the knife I have no doubt it'd work first time. I was responding to the MMM version where the blade starts under the sternum and fires off in a random direction.
xamaplak
WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU'RE @SOUP?
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Stirland's method of finding a corruption-free non-vampire ruler: smile and nod and accept that whichever witch hunter walked into Eagle Castle is a Van Hal
Kislev's method of finding a corruption-free non-vampire ruler: non-lethal bear traps, apparently
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Of their own volition, probably not. As part of favour trading? Well, why not? Gain some kudos with the new Tsar, or the Boyar he asks as an intermediary.
As for why he'd ask, if he wants to make a strong case for how this is all a devious vampiric plot, then it helps to have evidence supporting that claim. That is a good way of getting evidence that would support the claim. I'm not saying this is a major problem, or even necessarily going to happen, but I do think it's a factor that we should consider.
Mathilde has no IC knowledge of the spell, so I don't think we should take it into consideration at all. Even if we ignore that, the visions are said to be 'often confusing and unsure', with the exact details up to the GM, so even OOC we can't be sure how that spell would work and what exactly it would show. For all we know it would just say "a woman cloaked in shadow used magic to kill the Tzar", which could easily point towards the Lahmians.
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
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This is assuming Boris would know a Hag Witch has that spell in the first place (I was the only one to bring it up OOC, and I don't know if Mathilde would know they have that IC), and that he'd go out of his way to ask or let one use it on his father's corpse rather than simply 'impulsively' come to the conclusion that it was in fact a Lahmian.
And from a Doylist perspective, I would assume the RPG spell specifies that it takes place from the point of view of a spirit so as to not completely trivialize any investigations. Lots of leeway there for something like 'the spirits saw a blob of Ulgu', or 'the spirits saw a woman who is a thief and a warrior and a priestess and wizard do this', or something weirder. Like, from an RPG designer point of view, you don't want something that possibly invalidates a whole storyline because the DM forgot it. You want something helpful that can tip the scales and give clues.
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...As a sidenote, I wonder just how much evidence the Ice Witches uncovered of the Kalashiniviks possibly being infested by Lahmians. It sounds like it's not zero, but it might not be enough for Boris to move in on them without this. It'd be funny if they were just completely laying low and covering their tracks and then due to our meddling they suddenly had a case of being staked and frozen. All because of Drycha (though it's still an open question on whether the Boyar Kalashinivik was the correct target or not).
Wasn't he bragging about his influence agong the ungols when offering to house the Waystone project?
Blackout
Fed By Comments
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Priests and Priestesses, Salyak doesn't restrict her clergy to women.
Traditionally, Priests of Salyak look after wounded soldiers while Priestesses work as nursemaids and are responsible for raising the next generation of warriors for Kislev.
(RotIQ pg.42)
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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He is pretty informed about magic.
He knew the casting ingredients for the Impossible March of the Damned Soldier.
Parabola
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Ahh, but the Impossible March is basically the stuff of nightmares for military men, and he's one himself, very widely respected by his soldiers and guards and marching at their front. He'd know of a ritual cast by friendly wizards that can go really wrong even when cast correctly.
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We're aware of their general capabilities, so it's not a stretch that we'd know they have a way of investigating IC.
Boris should be relatively well-read—he knew about The Impossible March of the Damned Soldier, after all.
Khaos
Baguette, wine and cheese
What methods other than Matrix unloading would leave the same kind of wound?
I do think that the Tsar was murdered by unknown magical methods is a perfectly fine conclusion to make especially if you don't have a College of Magic with a long tradition and large libraries for referencing and the heir will be running obstruction, but it'd be nice to know if we can point fingers towards Lahmians with more substance.
I do think that the Tsar was murdered by unknown magical methods is a perfectly fine conclusion to make especially if you don't have a College of Magic with a long tradition and large libraries for referencing and the heir will be running obstruction, but it'd be nice to know if we can point fingers towards Lahmians with more substance.
Well for one thing we literally coppied the Lahmians' homework to make the matrix, it's a knife not animate dead, but Lahmians also know Ulgu, it is the most common lore of magic among them after Dhar.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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Pretty sure it was the Von Carstein Countess that we copied the Matrix from? Who applied Hellish Vigour to her spies?
Khaos
Baguette, wine and cheese
Fair, I forgot, and tbh, I still don't remember the full genesis of the spell, but I'll take your word. Then why would the Lahmians choose an assassination method that points to them. If they could infiltrate the royal palace, then a knife in the dark creates the same amount of damage without putting them in the hot seat.
Fair, still close enough, it is vampires.
It only points to vampires if you know about this one obscure event in Stirland twenty years ago or have access to the College's magical papers and find the right one. It is conceivable that someone very dedicated might find it in which case we have an asnwer for the very dedicated person, but generally speaking most people cannot reconstruct a novel spell from physical evidence, much less something more esoteric like a ritual which this could also be.
Sinsystems
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Because if the spell goes off as planned it leaves no visible external wound and there would be no trace of poison making it look like a natural death. Only if an autopsy is done (which they could assume wouldn't be done as it isn't a regular thing in this time period) would the fact that it is an assassination be discovered.
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It occurs to me that the people who would know that there was a Dhar version of the matrix, and that Mathilde created her own ulgu version, would be the Lahmians.
Not really helpful to them directly, but if they do learn that an ulgu matrix was used in the kill, they'd be able to point at us.
Not really helpful to them directly, but if they do learn that an ulgu matrix was used in the kill, they'd be able to point at us.
So I decided to look it up and, yes if Boris wants to get Hag Witches he can do so easily.
Assuming the Sisterhood reads obscure college papers maybe and whichever one of them does do that talking to whoever is up in Kislev, the Lahmians are not a hive mind. Even that would be a significant leap of logic because we shared the matrix in its Ulgu form, it could have been any Grey Wizard or anyone with access to the paper... including the reader or any Lahmians they told about the paper.
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- Before the Ninth Gate
I had a similar thought to this, and my conclusion was it'd be someoe who's a great pickpocket, but lousy killer, and wants to be sure they are stabbing between the correct two ribs to hit the heart.
Sinsystems
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And we know it got shared and adapted around the colleges a bit, since it is part of the mechanism the Ambers used for the altar of "Temporarily turn a guy into a dragon" as a means to turn the user back to normal after a bit.Assuming the Sisterhood reads obscure college papers maybe and whichever one of them does do that talking to whoever is up in Kislev, the Lahmians are not a hive mind. Even that would be a significant leap of logic because we shared the matrix in its Ulgu form, it could have been any Grey Wizard or anyone with access to the paper... including the reader or any Lahmians they told about the paper.