We can exchange two great deeds for a Barony, and become Baroness Weber.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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We have 1 Great Deed in reserve, and I'm happy to keep it that way. Never know when you need to call up an army. Upping that reserve makes sense in the absence of a better option, but I feel like brain storming for options would be worthwhile.
For example, using a Great Deed to bring a law that requires the construction and maintenance of Waystone architecture would be worthwhile. It helps Mathilde to make the most out of the project, it helps the Empire and the world as a whole by getting rid of bad magic, and it helps the position of the Colleges a lot. There's not many alternatives, only foreigners and legal-because-the-Colleges-are-not-looking guys (who are also reclusive besides), neither of which is what you'd want. That there are alternatives also means the Colleges can't be too greedy, which I think is also useful. And hey, if it makes the cults try to get in on the Project, that's another bonus for Mathilde and the Project, and frankly we want the knowledge to spread. And they'll be more careful to keep it if they payed a price and there's a necessity. I think this is a pretty strong option and we should really consider it.
Building on that, because I don't think it's possible in the current political climate: Getting the Colleges an electoral vote. Would be a big step, but I don't think the Colleges can get there yet. Probably something to think about once Mandred is in power, though it pays to start things that work towards that.
Also, since we're talking about Mandred: What can be done in regard to Ranald? Ranald the Dealer is a plan Heidi has had. Direct legislation is probably not on the table, but maybe something that's favorable for plans like that.
There's also a few other options: A pegasus/griffon (kind cool, but not very practical), a bunch of knights (also cool, also not super practical when we can make our own), a bigger title/fief (might be actually counterproductive, but more titles are always good), a ship (if we want to talk to the Lizardmen after all). Something else I forgot from when we last talked about this?
This is an option. Related, a Dhar usage dispensation, though we probably have to define in regard to what specifically. We might need it for the foundation.
Tasoli
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OR buy a Border Princedom for 3 coppers. Princess Weber still sounds better despite that no?
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I expect if we want to play empire-building, there will be greater titles available as a full-time job after we're done with Waystones. We got offered a colonial governorship, border-princesshood, and a margraveship last time, after all. Doing it as a hobby would probably eat another half-AP a turn instead, in line with our Head Librarian and EIC-CEO hats.
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Hey, I never said it was a good idea. It's just an option we have.
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Ah, but we don't want to play fief-builder. Cactus fief is ideal because it requires literally no maintenance; I'd be surprised if there were entire cactus baronies.
If one did exist - an overinvolved liege already micromanaging the area perhaps - I'd be onboard.
No joke, I kind of want to talk to Gretel if she can sell us that.
Margraveship is almost certainly closed. Someone has taken that up. But we could probably get a county or something there, and our suprisingly un-vampiric friend seems like a great fan. Colonial governorship probably is still open, but also still too far from BÖÖK and friends. If there's open positions like it, we'll probably get an offer, but stuff at that level doesn't stay open for too long, and doesn't turn up too often.
I think if we wanted to go that direction, then building a wizard school in K8Ps is more likely. We already have a gun school, and a book pile, and some halflings and dogs. But we need a wizard school to mostly complete the backup empire (also some priests, but I think they'll sort themselves out).
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deathofrats0808
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Mandred isn't going to be Emperor. Or at least, it's incredibly unlikely. There's already discontent among other ECs about Reikland holding onto it for so long, and Mandred being a member of the Colleges gives them an easy rallying point and swings Reikland's usual backers (the Cult of Sigmar) away.
Even then, the ECs don't want new EC votes and are (in canon, and I don't see why this should have changed) extra against the Colleges getting one, because 1) wizards and 2) the belief they'd back Reikland.
Tasoli
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Do we even search Undumgi for talent at all? I feel like we don't.
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Combine those two thoughts, spend Great Deed on getting the Cult of Ranald a vote
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We don't need to; any Undumgi would know that if a kid starts doing something weird, they should go see the Wizard of Karag Nar. Besides, it's only been a few years since the reconquest finished and the gender balance of Karag Nar started being rectified, so there aren't a lot of kids yet and those that have been born are probably too young to be manifesting talent.
No, if we want young wizards to raise, we just need more 100s rolled by people we know
Mandred doesn't have to be Emperor. Just being an Elector means at least one vote, and someone with a decent amount of power supporting the notion. Mandred not being Emperor might make it easier, if anything. And yeah, the situation is obviously not settled. But it's plausible that it could happen in the next ten/twenty years.
For one, Rosi is one of the contenders for Emperor*. And if something like a Waystone law passes, and we see a significant improvement, then that gives the Colleges a good deal of capital, and also a strong argument why they should be involved.
*Especially if Eastern Stirland becomes increasingly unfucked as Dhar goes away. That would also make her more wizard-positive.
I don't think it happens actively, though the presence of wizards and them being overall well regarded would take care of most of it. The situation is almost certainly better than in most of the empire.
Surely there's no way this could go wrong?Combine those two thoughts, spend Great Deed on getting the Cult of Ranald a vote
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There's probably easier ways to get the entire Elector council to laugh.Combine those two thoughts, spend Great Deed on getting the Cult of Ranald a vote
If we really wanted a priest for Web-Mat it would be best to use a priest of Ranald, they would be a lot more open to what we are planning than anyone we could wrangle with a Great Deed. I do think there might be something to using one to propose Waystone protection and reclamation and it is Boris who gave me the idea. Remember how he said that he could get the Boyars to chip in if it was a Kislevite project? Well it is an imperial project, maybe we can use patriotism to get the nobles to pay for their own Dhar clean up on a local level, the more local we make it the more will get done since they are the most directly impacted by a broken stone or tributary.
I am so sad the spooders missed their chance. It was what, a 96? Tragic.We don't need to; any Undumgi would know that if a kid starts doing something weird, they should go see the Wizard of Karag Nar. Besides, it's only been a few years since the reconquest finished and the gender balance of Karag Nar started being rectified, so there aren't a lot of kids yet and those that have been born are probably too young to be manifesting talent.
No, if we want young wizards to raise, we just need more 100s rolled by people we know
Though I'll point out most people become wizards as teenagers, and it can happen even in your forties. And many mercs aren't that old. The main Undumgi population is still firmly in the "suddenly wizard" age.
We also have our Hedgewise Buddy, who is officially a priest.
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I think they were talking about one of the stated reasons for letting Mandred remain a wizard, that being that even a wizard elector would push wizard approval forwards much more than anything the colleges could ever do for themselves.
This is still a factor though, yeah.
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Yes, yes it does.
Anyone else interested to go to to see if the title is still on sale?
We could even maken an aliance with our favourite duckling...
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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I really don't think it could happen. Mandred not being Emperor would help it, but (even assuming Mandred would support the notion, which isn't a guarantee) that's one vote. Roswita might get you two (although that's a very shaky maybe IMO). The Sigmarite votes go against it, for a certainty. And the default position of the other provinces is likely to be no, because they have no desire to share their power.
The Wizards already have an enourmous reason to be involved; any Emperor can at any time make them illegal. And the Emperor is ultimately their boss. And no one really cares whether they have a reason behind wanting a vote. Getting a Waystone law might give the Wizards some capital, but I don't think it would be nearly enough for a vote.
Roswita is unliekly to be Empress either. Better shot than Mandred, but I'd give better than even odds that it goes to Middenland.
K8P doesn't really have the population for a wizard school?
It is a fairly remote spot that has a fairly small human population. Some minor talents certainly and maybe even a couple of wizards but there's never going to be enough people in K8P to justify having a dedicated Magister for each wind which is sort of the barest of bare minimums for a school.
We don't know how things will shake up considering the Everchosen. With Mathilde's relationship to the Dwarfs she could probably sway the Cult quite a bit if she became the Supreme Matriarch.
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If Eike gets a Griffon first I riot.
Parabola
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Personally, I'd hope to shorten the time necessary to do Project stuff.
In the Empire alone we have ten provinces in need of covering with tributaries and trying to negotiate with one Elector Count at a time sounds painful. If we could instead address them all at once to convince them of this need, and get the full support of the Colleges to properly cover them all with the necessary wizards, that'd be ideal. It would save us maybe 9 AP.
But that could be overkill. And if we deem it worth spending on something else, I would jump on 'please give us College BOOKS'. Getting everything College-related the slow way would take several turns, or a lot of gold and favor.
Tasoli
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You joke but becoming Border Princess is my second or third choice behind Supreme Matriarch and about equal to Magister Matriarch for me.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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Not really? Like, yes, the Sigmarites try to help the Dwarfs out. But if they need to choose between something the Dwarfs want them to do, and something they think is for the good of the Empire, they'll pick the latter every time. Especially becasue the Sigmarites are going to know that Mathilde will cease to be SM at some point. But revoking a vote once given will also be incredibly hard.
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Oh, believe me I am not joking.
I have voted for Mathilde to become a princess ever single chance I had.
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The only thing I would like even more is her becoming mother, but I don't think it's in the card right now...
Edit 2: also Eike is awesome...
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Tasoli
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Mood kindred then eh? I can't seem to convince thread for SM so,
Lets hope Everchosen don't show up early and we are not busy because it does sound like fun.