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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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[X] Dämmerlichtreiter

In the hopes of there being resonance between the legend of the Dämmerlichtreiter and the spell just created using the image of the Dämmerlichtreiter by the one the Dämmerlichtreiter legend is based on.

10 years later
Dämmerlichtreiter: *looks at Methilda* Mom?
Methilda: Ahhh, they grow up so quick!
 
Parabola said:
(...Incidentally, does Waaagh magic count as 'forbidden magic', if we couldn't even theoretically use it?)
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If you consider Gork and Mork to be Chaos Gods, which is a pretty common view in the Empire, then Waaagh Magic would be off limits as a 'Forbidden Lore of the Daemonic Powers' per Article 7. If not, then you could argue that it's an 'arcane force of magic that is present in this world' and therefore the Colleges have explicit permission to study it from Article 4. It could be counterargued that it's a form of divine magic, not arcane, but the body whose place it would be to make that argument would be the Cult of Gork and Mork, who aren't invited to these sorts of debates.
 
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Mathilde has built a reputation for herself of being able to look at non-wind magic and understanding it, and then translating those insights into academic papers.

Even without the context of being possessed by Mork or cribbing Vanhels notes, that's still rather concerning for an imperial wizard. There's a very carefully mapped line between the acceptable and unacceptable study of strange magics, and from outside appearances Mathilde has skirted very close to it.

It's also one of the reasons the Eonir wanted to work with Mathilde in the first place (the other being that she's a natural point of contact with the dwarves). They were really impressed with the waaaghbane stuff. Being able to dissect foreign magics to that extent makes her one of the best candidates to lead a multidisciplinary research project, as she can understand what everyone is bringing to the table.

Also the worst leader, because it means she can steal everyone's magic for herself.
 
Boney said:
but the body whose place it would be to make that argument would be the Cult of Gork and Mork, who aren't invited to these sorts of debates.
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Are there humans in Warhammer Fantasy that whorship Gork and Mork? I know in 40k there are the Digga Nobz on GorkaMorka but I imagine if there is a similar group then it would pretty much be treated like any other illegal cult in the Empire.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
Also the worst leader, because it means she can steal everyone's magic for herself.
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I mean, she can't use foreign magic herself, but yeah, she could theoretically write papers on how they work that another Imperial could learn to cast from.

KingCrimson1081 said:
Are there humans in Warhammer Fantasy that whorship Gork and Mork? I know in 40k there are the Digga Nobz on GorkaMorka but I imagine if there is a similar group then it would pretty much be treated like any other illegal cult in the Empire.
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IIRC there sometimes are a few, because humans as a whole will try anything at least once, but they don't tend to last long, because, well...
 
I think that if it came from elf it would be based upon the object binding. Which does ties nicely into the araby summoning tradition supposely pillfered from the elv's when they cast them out. Object binding would also fit a lot more the elven methology of finding a safe reliable way of doing something. It's just that unlike empire human who see object binding and go "Well, carrying around a giant container all the time would be annoying, but i always have my soul on me...soo"
 
Sa'kage said:
I think that if it came from elf it would be based upon the object binding. Which does ties nicely into the araby summoning tradition supposely pillfered from the elv's when they cast them out. Object binding would also fit a lot more the elven methology of finding a safe reliable way of doing something. It's just that unlike empire human who see object binding and go "Well, carrying around a giant container all the time would be annoying, but i always have my soul on me...soo"
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So you're saying the Arabyians also look at empire wizards and go "WTF are you madmen doing?!".
Considering that Araby considers the Empire to basically be part of the chaos wastes according to WoB, that checks out. Of course people one step removed from chaos barbarians would take almost-daemons and tie them to their souls, because it's slightly more convenient.
 
BurnNote said:
So you're saying the Arabyians also look at empire wizards and go "WTF are you madmen doing?!".
Considering that Araby considers the Empire to basically be part of the chaos wastes according to WoB, that checks out. Of course people one step removed from chaos barbarians would take almost-daemons and tie them to their souls, because it's slightly more convenient.
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Mathilde: It is not a daemon of Khorne, just adjacent to them, and using the trigger mechanism of battle to wreak slaughter upon the my enemies
Araby Magician: Why would you use something that specifically hunts wizards? Why would you staple them to your soul?
Mathilde: Well elementals and kind of weak and fragile, they tend to unravel at the touch of my Ulgu-tainted soul. I did briefly consider binding a murderous shadow Dryad to my soul, but I did not have all the kinks worked out of the process then
Araby Magician: Now I know whey the daemons of the Northlands did not conquer your lands
Mathilde: Faith, Steel, Gunpowder, magic...
Araby Magician: You are as mad as they are :V
 
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Godwinson said:
What magic would we be looking into if we wanted to learn more about how souls work?
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Shyish has some soul stuff, because it's the Wind of Endings and there's no bigger ending than death and your soul leaving your body, but of course we can't use it without going stark raving mad. By extension of being corrupted Shyish, Necromancy has some soul stuff too, which Mathilde knows a bit about in theory via the Liber Mortis. But it would just be theory, and I'm not too keen on learning the differences in practice.

Some cults such as that of Morr would have stuff on the soul, but they would be extremely tight-lipped about them, because it'd be divine secrets concerning something extremely sacred.

It was floated as an idea to ask Gunnars to learn more about Gazul because he also is concerned with safeguarding souls, but it's not a guarantee that there'd be anything applicable to our own research in this general subject - IIRC the only thing guaranteed (beyond getting the Gazul skill to Basic) is rites to protect tombs from intrusion (even very heavy intrusions). There's also been a lot of discussion surrounding the overall idea anyway - some people including myself would rather take such actions to actually know more about Gazul in general, not with an expectation of a 'reward'.

And finally, I think Hedgecraft miiiiight have something on the soul, given that their magic is concerned with a lot of conceptual boundaries and the soul is something that is part of the Aethyr despite residing in reality.
 
Might be some stuff in the Vampire notes as well. Or going to ask the Liche Priests directly if we can find a coherent and cooperative one.
 
Redshirt Army said:
I have a feeling that being "that Grey Wizard what does all the I Can't Believe It's Not Daemonbinding" may be kinda a questionable look when we're in the middle of the Waystone Project, just admitted to getting a house call from a Lord of Change, and are already known for being concerning good at reverse-engineering Dark Magic. We may want to hold off on publishing this stuff for a bit.
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While I understand the trepidation, the fact that multiple colleges are doing it including the Ambers makes me feel like if it came down to brass tacks we'd be bailed out. Proponents of red rider have long suspected, and the narrative has just confirmed, that this spell would be immensely useful for the college's high end - the greatest fruits of this particular capture will lay fallow if we don't share it.

At the very least, I think we should codify before elfcation.
 
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