Sinsystems
Patron Librarian
Found this video to go along with my previous one, which while probably not entirely accurate for this quest there is likely still a lot that is close enough to be relevant
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
You know what you're doing here right? You're taking a single counter factual and then treating it like it will be the case for everything, it's pretty hard to argue against because I don't really know where to start pointing out it's not actually reasonable to do that. You're basically hoping that every major plot in K8P has a convenient hidden tunnel right beside it for the Rangers to use to learn about it. As otherwise generally the first they'll hear about it is when things are in the winding down conclusion.
It also leads to obvious questions like "Why didn't the rangers know about the ritual?" The rangers are competent they're not super naturally competent.
We can fill them in enough to give the EIC a head start in an hour or two. You are voting for much more but that vote is explicitly the sound out moving to Stirland option just like the hang out in Altdorf is explicitly the sound out Electors' council jobs option. We aren't intending to do either of those things. As much as Mathilde might enjoy more than a flying visit to both of those, without the underlying purpose they just aren't that important. Not when we don't know what threats are building by our new home nor the timescales they're operating on. Once we've done the scouting we'll have a better idea of when we can afford to take a long trip.
And when conventional stealth doesn't cut it anymore Mathilde uses magic to go where she otherwise couldn't go.
Like using Sleep in Karag Nar:
Or using Skywalk to infiltrate Karag Lhune:
Or using Shadowcloak in Karah Lhune:
Thanks to her magic Mathilde can infiltrate farther than Rangers can.
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And we shouldn't forget exfiltrating out of Karag Lhune with Doppelgänger.
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- Location
- Austria
Kroak is a goddamn monster who was killed by a gang of Greater Deamons but did not let it stop him from wiping out entire demon horde by his mind bullets.
And then he willed himself back to life when the End Times came, without any bothering with "resurrection" or other pansy weakling tools.
Like, we should not compare ourselves to him. Nobody on the planet can realistically measure up.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
For me, the deciding factor is order.
Talking to our friends is much less urgent than helping the rangers confirm that we are/aren't about to get blindsided by enemy shenanigans - we can put it off for 2 months and we'd at most lose a bit of expediency with the EITC.
On the other hand, if we put off helping scout for two months, that's two more months for our enemies to work with.
Talking to our friends is much less urgent than helping the rangers confirm that we are/aren't about to get blindsided by enemy shenanigans - we can put it off for 2 months and we'd at most lose a bit of expediency with the EITC.
On the other hand, if we put off helping scout for two months, that's two more months for our enemies to work with.
Slowly catching up.
Just saying.
*The border princes really drives the average down.
I mean they did get enough of their order infiltrated to allow Vampires to direct wizards to spy on Elector Counts on pain of death. The Patriarch of the Grey didn't appear to solve that. Abelheim was the one who actually solved that.
Just saying.
Mathilde: "I think you'll find that being richer than most Kings* has many direct and practical uses for my duties. Such as not wasting years of time fighting against bloody wizard chic."
*The border princes really drives the average down.
[X] Remain in Karak Eight Peaks, either in the employ of Belegar or pursuing your research.
[X] Give them away...
- [X] To the Amber College
[x] All this time away has made you miss your friends, and you'll be practically next door in Altdorf. Visit Anton and Wilhelmina.
[X] King Belegar is allowing you to use the King's Armoury. Recover your extant study materials from Stirland and tuck them away safely in there.
[X] Claim the site where Ranald mugged Mork and build a shrine to Ranald there.
[X] Give them away...
- [X] To the Amber College
[x] All this time away has made you miss your friends, and you'll be practically next door in Altdorf. Visit Anton and Wilhelmina.
[X] King Belegar is allowing you to use the King's Armoury. Recover your extant study materials from Stirland and tuck them away safely in there.
[X] Claim the site where Ranald mugged Mork and build a shrine to Ranald there.
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SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Going back to this for a moment, the biggest difference between Mathilde and the rangers is that it'd be suicide for the Rangers to use these tunnels most of the time. As they're usually going to be guarded which we saw in our usage of it, where as Mathilde can use magic to infiltrate through them or exfiltrate. So on deeper thought it's actually counter factual to your argument any way as the Rangers couldn't have used that to find out about the ritual.
There's this as well, giving two months for them to do what ever it is they're planning is a really bad idea.
For those of you voting for visiting the friends AND scouting K8P those two votes are directly in contention with each other right now, if we do one we don't do the other. so if you value scouting over visiting their friends I suggest you change your vote. The same is true for the opposite.
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Tbf, Dame Weber with her potted cactus fief is probably richer than many Border Princes.
10ebbor10
DON'T PANIC
- Location
- Present
TBH, I'm a bit worried about how flagrantly we're flouting these rules.
[X] Remain in Karak Eight Peaks, either in the employ of Belegar or pursuing your research.
[X] Give them away...
- [X] To the Amber College
[X] Speak with King Belegar and King Kazador about the relationships and apparent rifts between Dwarfholds.
[X] Scout the rest of the Eight Peaks, to find out what other horrors are waiting out there.
[X] Claim the site where Ranald mugged Mork and build a shrine to Ranald there.
[X] Give them away...
- [X] To the Amber College
[X] Speak with King Belegar and King Kazador about the relationships and apparent rifts between Dwarfholds.
[X] Scout the rest of the Eight Peaks, to find out what other horrors are waiting out there.
[X] Claim the site where Ranald mugged Mork and build a shrine to Ranald there.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
it's definitely a potential issue but as long as 90+% of the money is dumped into ventures that stack with doing our job properly I think it's okay.
Regarding the Stewardship vs Learning advisor debate.
Two points to make:
Point 1) This is to some extent a choice between being a spymaster or a master spy.
Taking the Stewardship job would immediately put us at the top of a massive organisation with a fair number of broad duties. Most of Mathilde's time will be spent sitting in an office reading reports (both stewardship and intrigue based) and writing orders for other people to go deal with the problem. Most of her personal intervention will be spying on her own lieutenants to ensure the embezzling (there will be embezzling) is at acceptable levels.
Taking the Learning job means Mathilde would be very much the point wizard for most of her work. She would need to build a web of informants out of her own resources (which are substantial) and act on the info sent to her personally.
For myself I prefer the PC to be out doing.
Point 2) Mathilde already has much of what Stewardship would give, just on a smaller scale. As a boss of the EIC she already has an easy in for making a web of informants. Being stinking rich means setting up an adventurer guild and or dedicated spy ring can be done without the support of a larger organisation. Her reputation alone gives here substantial influence and either advisor position would grant authority.
While neither position gives Mathilde options she couldn't access some other way Stewardship costs a lot more attention for the benefits it provides than Learning.
Two points to make:
Point 1) This is to some extent a choice between being a spymaster or a master spy.
Taking the Stewardship job would immediately put us at the top of a massive organisation with a fair number of broad duties. Most of Mathilde's time will be spent sitting in an office reading reports (both stewardship and intrigue based) and writing orders for other people to go deal with the problem. Most of her personal intervention will be spying on her own lieutenants to ensure the embezzling (there will be embezzling) is at acceptable levels.
Taking the Learning job means Mathilde would be very much the point wizard for most of her work. She would need to build a web of informants out of her own resources (which are substantial) and act on the info sent to her personally.
For myself I prefer the PC to be out doing.
Point 2) Mathilde already has much of what Stewardship would give, just on a smaller scale. As a boss of the EIC she already has an easy in for making a web of informants. Being stinking rich means setting up an adventurer guild and or dedicated spy ring can be done without the support of a larger organisation. Her reputation alone gives here substantial influence and either advisor position would grant authority.
While neither position gives Mathilde options she couldn't access some other way Stewardship costs a lot more attention for the benefits it provides than Learning.
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Aegon Targaryen
Dragonking of Fuyuki
- Location
- Romania
We need to reclaim Karak Ungor. And possibly Karak Varn.
- Location
- Outside the Box
- Pronouns
- She/Her
It's not that the rangers can't do their job. They're probably mapping every inch of the surface right now. But when they discover a secret entrance or a dense enemy stronghold or whatever, they can send Mathilde in to extend the knowledge of who and what's where even further than they could themselves. Mathilde is a deep penetration expert. She can't map an entire peak by herself but she can go inside and find the important rooms and secret enemy activities.
[X] Remain in Karak Eight Peaks, either in the employ of Belegar or pursuing your research.
[X] Give them away...
-[X] To the Amber College
[X] Claim the site where Ranald mugged Mork and build a shrine to Ranald there.
[X] All this time away has made you miss your friends, and you'll be practically next door in Altdorf. Visit Anton and Wilhelmina.
[X] Give them away...
-[X] To the Amber College
[X] Claim the site where Ranald mugged Mork and build a shrine to Ranald there.
[X] All this time away has made you miss your friends, and you'll be practically next door in Altdorf. Visit Anton and Wilhelmina.
@BoneyM - I was thinking about the Dwarf Favour question and whether you'd missed anything, and thought about our Seed of Regrowth? I imagine that being able to revive recently dead dwarves and make whole those that have been crippled should be worth a couple favor points at least given it's literally saving dwarven lives. Particularly favor from the ones that would have died/or been crippled.
With us likely to be moving the mirror box into the Vault, it'd be fascinating to see an omake from dwarves going into the Vault and seeing it and wondering just what it is given it's constantly producing liquid. Also while I imagine Kragg wouldn't approve of experimenting with it, from what we've seen of Thorek it seems like he'd be a great help given both his skill level and desires given it'd potentially unlock more runes or enable him to make stronger versions of existent runes.
With us likely to be moving the mirror box into the Vault, it'd be fascinating to see an omake from dwarves going into the Vault and seeing it and wondering just what it is given it's constantly producing liquid. Also while I imagine Kragg wouldn't approve of experimenting with it, from what we've seen of Thorek it seems like he'd be a great help given both his skill level and desires given it'd potentially unlock more runes or enable him to make stronger versions of existent runes.
Is this joke? Please tell me joke.
Lets finish one herculean task of Reclamation before diving headfirst into Mountain Vietnam. And maybe include some time for the Dawi to eat a damn sandwich and recover in between, no?
[X] Remain in Karak Eight Peaks, either in the employ of Belegar or pursuing your research.
[X] Give them away...
- [X] To the Amber College
[X] Claim the site where Ranald mugged Mork and build a shrine to Ranald there.
[X] All this time away has made you miss your friends, and you'll be practically next door in Altdorf. Visit Anton and Wilhelmina.
[X] King Belegar is allowing you to use the King's Armoury. Recover your extant study materials from Stirland and tuck them away safely in there.
[X] Give them away...
- [X] To the Amber College
[X] Claim the site where Ranald mugged Mork and build a shrine to Ranald there.
[X] All this time away has made you miss your friends, and you'll be practically next door in Altdorf. Visit Anton and Wilhelmina.
[X] King Belegar is allowing you to use the King's Armoury. Recover your extant study materials from Stirland and tuck them away safely in there.
pucflek
Verified simpleton
- Location
- Czech Republic
Isn ´t Lord Kroak so powerful his spells are described as "encroaching upon the domain reserved for gods?". The guy is a meme at this point.
ShyPerson
Guardian of the dead’s final rest.
- Location
- Sweden
- Pronouns
- Him/He
Can you link to the first one? I did not notice it and I don't know how long it would take to trawl through the thread for it.
- Location
- Hawaii
[x] Remain in Karak Eight Peaks, either in the employ of Belegar or pursuing your research.
[x] Give them away...
- [x] To the Amber College
[x] Scout the rest of the Eight Peaks, to find out what other horrors are waiting out there.
[x] Try to follow Johann, to see what he's getting up to.
[x] Claim the site where Ranald mugged Mork and build a shrine to Ranald there.
[x] Though your future relationship with the spiders is still unknown, they do appear to be a new species and you do have a number of corpses available. Have Esbern and Seija help you autopsy the creatures for a paper.
[x] King Belegar is allowing you to use the King's Armoury. Recover your extant study materials from Stirland and tuck them away safely in there.
[x] Give them away...
- [x] To the Amber College
[x] Scout the rest of the Eight Peaks, to find out what other horrors are waiting out there.
[x] Try to follow Johann, to see what he's getting up to.
[x] Claim the site where Ranald mugged Mork and build a shrine to Ranald there.
[x] Though your future relationship with the spiders is still unknown, they do appear to be a new species and you do have a number of corpses available. Have Esbern and Seija help you autopsy the creatures for a paper.
[x] King Belegar is allowing you to use the King's Armoury. Recover your extant study materials from Stirland and tuck them away safely in there.
Sinsystems
Patron Librarian
Here you go, it's called a Lore Movie due to it's sheer length going into Belegar's canon story. Like seriously after watching it I am not surprised that he and Thorgrim clashed, they did so in canon after all.