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On the other hand, there's the question on if it's appearance exactly matched with Al-Kharid when we met him (just more solid).

If he was a complete dead ringer, I don't see a reason not to think that it was some kind of Necrarch ability or a personal spell of his own.
We could make our Apparitions look exactly like us... and vampires are kind of notable for not really changing that much. It could very well be both a personal spell and an apparition, if his fashion choices remained consistent.
 
Now that we know how binding and creating spells with apparitions work I want to create one that is connected to Ranald. I say connected but what I mean is having Ranald/ian trappings incorporated into the spell/apparitions. So take Dark Hounds and give them an Ulgu paintjob into felines, 4 felines to be precise. Bind them towards the part of the soul that is closest to Ranald and have Ranald direct them along or give each of them different instincts that align to Ranald's 4 aspects (5 aspects? 6 aspects?).
 
Now that we know how binding and creating spells with apparitions work I want to create one that is connected to Ranald. I say connected but what I mean is having Ranald/ian trappings incorporated into the spell/apparitions. So take Dark Hounds and give them an Ulgu paintjob into felines, 4 felines to be precise. Bind them towards the part of the soul that is closest to Ranald and have Ranald direct them along or give each of them different instincts that align to Ranald's 4 aspects (5 aspects? 6 aspects?).

I'm not sure it's a good idea to engrave the markings of the God of Freedom onto a literal magic leash.
 
Oh, and when it comes to telling the Grey College why we made this spell:

"I was made aware by a very reliable source that some of the spells used by various colleges use Apparitions, which they claim are not demons. As a LM, I figured the best solution was to verify this myself.
Maybe include a section for their typical activity when spotted? For instance, the Rotwyrms wriggle towards their prey and go through walls, while the Fat Man just looks super creepy and is always eating something. This information might be useful because it lets us know what kind of activities we can have an easy time getting them to do.

( The Rotwyrms would also be an astounding 'kill that wizard in particular' spell, though I'd recommend never letting them choose their own targets. Intangibility and fast speeds mean that they can scoot towards their targets through any obstacle and just bite them until dead, and it's awfully hard to perform spell gestures when an awful insect is trying to get your fingers into its mandibles.

An attack spell that will definitely kill its target eventually unless defeated with magic is pretty useful. Well, unless the worm can get tired or go out of range or something, I guess. )
I'll definitely add that. Not right now though, busy, but keep the suggestions coming.
So with Abhorsen's list of apparitions there I went to look at Alkharad's old telepresence spell.

Bolding some relevant sections and cutting others. Mathilde outright calls it an apparition, but I suspect that's as much a turn phrase as technical term. It's still possible the spell is not a bound apparition, but I'm going to assume for the purpose of this inquiry that it is.

Being made of necromancy means can't be the Whispering Darkness or Black Essence, and beyond that being a humanoid silhouette seems like something that could be consistent with a Handmaiden, Malbrothax, Lost Child, or Fat Man. Of them the Handmaiden seems like the best fit: Not overly large or small as a child or fat man would bit, or in the questionable situation of Malbrothax.

The apparition form talks, but so can the Rider in Red, it seems: It's just that apparitions normally have nothing much to say. Also noteworthy is that the vampire is capable of wielding magic and engaging in combat through that spell.

It's appearance would also place a date on when Alkharad made the spell: Since I'm getting the understanding that an apparition's form is a core part of the spell and can't easily be updated later, it having the appearance of of a Time of Three Emperors noble would imply that was when the spell was crafted. Alkharad himself might be older, but this part of his research would be fairly recent in the scheme of things.

Also something relevant that came up in the same update while looking over the spell:


It's iffy whether a technique of necromancy would apply to a Directed version of an apparition spell, but not out there given that it seems to be as much an exercise in personal growth and mundane multitasking ability as one of the spell itself.

That said, while Alkharad was both teaching in the classroom and controlling the spell in that same update he did have to "come over there himself" to deal with one of the students so even if multitasking is possible it seems like there could be limits.

That's all assuming this is, in fact, an apparition spell, but while I don't think the update confirms it, I also I don't think anything in there weakens the case or rules it out, either.
Thanks for this, I'll look closer tomorrow.
 
On the other hand, there's the question on if it's appearance exactly matched with Al-Kharid when we met him (just more solid).

If he was a complete dead ringer, I don't see a reason not to think that it was some kind of Necrarch ability or a personal spell of his own.

From the same update.
Sustained by pure Dhar instead of blood, Necrarchs wither to a corpselike appearance. Alkharad is no exception, and the clothes of the Altdorf nobility of years past that he dresses in only highlights his inhumanity. "Alkharad," you say, only paying the scantest fraction of attention to your words as you watched for any hint of assault or spell. "I've a spot on my shelf picked out just for you."

His clothes aren't specifically called out as being the exact same, but they're described in the same vein.

Though as Chocolate says, his own look being that way implies as much about Alkharad as it does about the spell. Either he's actually a old Altdorfer turned vampire claiming to be an ancient Nehekharan or he just spent time in the city back before Sylvania became the home of vampires and still holds great fondness for those days.
 
Did I vote? I thought I did, but the reply box had a draft with a vote in it anyways.

[X] [NUMBER] One

Bodyguard and Charge both have their appeal, but One is the only option - affirmed by boney saying we can't just pre-cast in a safe environment even with Bodyguard to meaningfully reduce miscast chance - for us to use it all the time.

And I would absolutely prefer for us to be able to use our apparition all the time, willy nilly. That's good shit.
 
Now that we know how binding and creating spells with apparitions work I want to create one that is connected to Ranald. I say connected but what I mean is having Ranald/ian trappings incorporated into the spell/apparitions. So take Dark Hounds and give them an Ulgu paintjob into felines, 4 felines to be precise. Bind them towards the part of the soul that is closest to Ranald and have Ranald direct them along or give each of them different instincts that align to Ranald's 4 aspects (5 aspects? 6 aspects?).
Boney's indicated that putting Ranaldian imagery on a magically bound being, even one of animal-level sentience, would be a bad idea.
 
Given that the apparition eats some of the components of High Magic that seems likely, but also, GGH is not a High Magic spell, it is a gold spell that works off attaching chains of gold magic to the apparition in question.
I think the thing you keep missing is this :
but transitioning it from that temporary stream to a more permanent bond is a difficult technique, not least of which because one has to rotate it around one's soul while doing so, as otherwise it will be located in the vertex of their soul that they habitually use for spellcasting.
You keep the aparition on the part of your soul you don't use for spellcasting so it doesn't interfere.
 
First time posting in this thread, and I was wondering if anyone has brought up the threat of the Blue Scribes of Tzeentch. They are supposed to go after mafes who develop new spells and Mathilde has done a bit of that during her career.

Anyways votes:

[X] [BEHAVIOUR] Duel
[X] [NUMBER] One
 
[X] [NUMBER] One

[X] [BEHAVIOUR] Bodyguard
[X] [BEHAVIOUR] Instinctive
[X] [BEHAVIOUR] Ambush
[X] [BEHAVIOUR] Directed

Usually this is around the time when votes start to narrow, but instead I'm adding one.

I doubt it will win, but I'm enthused enough by the Pure Research possibilities of a Directed apparition now that I'd be happy if it did.
 
Given that the apparition eats some of the components of High Magic that seems likely, but also, GGH is not a High Magic spell, it is a gold spell that works off attaching chains of gold magic to the apparition in question.
Only if High Magic doesn't form a pseudo-wind the way Dhar does. AFAIK we have no confirmation one way or the other.

It is, but it could easily be an adaptation of another spell. That or a user of High Magic uses different Winds to bind different apparitions based on which is most suitable for the task at hand.

From the same update.


His clothes aren't specifically called out as being the exact same, but they're described in the same vein.

Though as Chocolate says, his own look being that way implies as much about Alkharad as it does about the spell. Either he's actually a old Altdorfer turned vampire claiming to be an ancient Nehekharan or he just spent time in the city back before Sylvania became the home of vampires and still holds great fondness for those days.
Or it could imply that Vlad or someone encouraged the adoption of the fashions at the time when he was in power. The Vampire Wars took place a fair few years after he took over Sylvania after all.
 
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Honestly I feel like most likely there just aren't many nekeharan tailors around anymore for suitable quality garments, but also it's been a while since He bought new clothes, rather than "somewhat out of date altdorf nobility" being any sort of deliberate choice.
 
Would you care to elaborate? I'm always down for more magic research, but I'm drawing a blank on any possibilities for such here.
Basically using the much more freeform spell to research the capabilities and limits of what's possible with the bound apparitions as a whole.

Can we cast magic through it?
What's the maximum range of such a thing?
How well can we learn to multitask?

And so on.

It's not a line I expect to appeal to everyone, and I know there's others who would argue that other apparitions would be better suited to it, but I'm curious enough to see it win.
 
Basically using the much more freeform spell to research the capabilities and limits of what's possible with the bound apparitions as a whole.

Can we cast magic through it?
What's the maximum range of such a thing?
How well can we learn to multitask?

And so on.

It's not a line I expect to appeal to everyone, and I know there's others who would argue that other apparitions would be better suited to it, but I'm curious enough to see it win.
Ah, so it's more mapping out exact numbers on apparition spells than learning anything about magic in general, got it.
 
I'll definitely add that. Not right now though, busy, but keep the suggestions coming.
Maybe a section for spells created and suggested, lined up with the Apparitions that could be useful for them? For instance, the Red Riders would get marked down with whatever we end up calling the Twilight Rider Bodyguard or Charge spell.

The Handmaidens would get that Dark Avatar astral-projection style spell suggestion, if it's determined that we can sense through them enough to control them without being in line-of-sight.

The Rotwyrms could get that spell suggestion for turning them into a sword. We know Directed totally controls their body, so eventually I could see a shadow wizard wielding a Wyrm-Blade as an extra limb (to steal a turn of phrase from sword-enthusiasts).

The Black Essence is a really good choice for the Instinctive setting, because it just goes and Gets everybody we'd be okay indiscriminately victimizing. Holding it back probably would work for a spell that uses its senses as a dark magic detector, too.

The Whispering Darkness straightforwardly tries to engulf its victims, which presumably would be bad for their health. An attack spell with that might get the Fog bonus even if we bumped it up into a big battle magic spell. Maybe we could even use it to dabble in the Cataclysmic, which would be a big feather in our hat, to be sure.
 
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So, allow me to make a case for Instinctive: have you ever wanted an entire city to live in fear? You know, one of the bad cities.

It's a much more niche use than Duel or Charge or Bodyguard, but what a niche! 'Fuck casters in this entire geographic location' niche. It's a good niche that is uniquely suited for sneaky dirtbag Grey Wizards to inhabit.
I'm picturing this as like the perfect deep cover agent weapon.

Go to kar khond or a chaos dwarf city or wherever. Get a role going as a servant or a slave and then just cast the spell every night. Each morning the city wakes up in fear to see which of the rulers the mysterious knight assaulted the previous evening, and no one has any idea where it is coming from. Plus, it doesn't die. Normal weapons can't touch it, and kill it one night and it's back the next anyways.

I love it.
Range is the trouble, perhaps. I love the concept too though.

Everything said, I really really look forward to codifying this if we can get it to sub battlemagic. Whatever else could be said against having gone for riders instead of Whispering Darkness (And I could say a lot - we'd be debating between lance versus band right now if our staff applied!), one thing that is absolutely true is that summoning a beatstick is very much an unfilled niche for our order, and to be able to do so at FC in a bodyguard configuration would make it a staple of the college's upper ranks.
 
Basically. I... suppose? it might be useful as an arcane waldo if it bears enough similarity to what Alkharad's own spell was capable of? but that depends on a number of answers about the spell itself going a certain way.
If we wanted to ape Alkaseltzer's tricks, we probably needed to take his college's textbooks as loot back then.

All the more reason to make a liminal realm in our soul smh
 
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