@Boney Will this be the case? Would learning this or other BM mean Mathilde would use it for every battle without taking into account the risks of miscasting over how useful it'd be?
Don't try to get me to beat up a strawman for you.
@Boney Will this be the case? Would learning this or other BM mean Mathilde would use it for every battle without taking into account the risks of miscasting over how useful it'd be?
Ah. Okay, that makes more sense; I was envisaging it as a 'summon bodyguard' spell in the more traditional sense, not a 'summon crowd control' spell. Gotcha.
I trust Mathilde to understand the difference between a low level BM spell that is reduced in risk by her staff and other BM. I don't see her casting it in every time we go to battle, if it doesn't reduce the risk of dying or losing something or someone else important to us in that battle. And in that case I'll be glad that we picked up the spell when we had the chance.The thing is, battle magic is useful a lot. Casting Melkoth's Miasma is pretty standard for us in battles now, because it's really really useful. We don't roll for it because we have the staff. But for this? Every time we are going to battle, it'll be useful to cast, so I see us casting this a lot. But the staff doesn't apply.
Last time we fought a Champion of Khorne, we very quickly couldn't cast. So I doubt any number would truly matter. But given we somehow won last time,Personally I am very unsure just 1 Rider would be useful the next time we have to fight a Champion of Khorne in melee or something similar.
You are missing that we would have already decided that this spell is useful for more than last gasp attempts and desperate saves by learning/making the spell. She'll use it when it's useful.I trust Mathilde to understand the difference between a low level BM spell that is reduced in risk by her staff and other BM. I don't see her casting it in every time we go in battle, if it doesn't reduce the risk of dying or losing something or someone else in that battle. And in that case I'll be glad that we picked up the spell when we had the chance.
So why is having rolls we can fail worse than not rolling and straigh up failing for our long term survival ?Facing a single mook? No need, we can sword them. In a battle and there's a charge? Leading with apparitions is useful, she'd probably do it then unless it's an obvious victory (a charge into peasants, for example). The thing is, those happen a lot. And each cast it'll be a roll or miscast, and that badness stacks up.
I'm pretty much of the opposite opinion, not really on the battlemagic but how I'd rather have Mathilde Die.My thoughts on battlemagic is that I'd rather have us die miscasting a spell, than die because we were attacked by a greater demon and our only option was to melee it.
The choice isn't between use BM or do nothing, it's between use BM or do something else. Melkoth's, or the dragonflask, or a fog BM spell.So why is having rools we can fail worse than not rolling and straigh up failing for our long term survival ?
I'm pretty much of the opposite opinion, not really on the battlemagic but how I'd rather have Mathilde Die.
Dying to a Miscast, would honestly be an incredibly lame way to end this quest.
Because it doesn't mean we necessarily fail. Not adding a bonus to a charge doesn't mean we lose the battle. We would instead be doing other stuff as well, from ganking a leader, to Rite of Way with the Mistery staff, to dispelling.So why is having rolls we can fail worse than not rolling and straigh up failing for our long term survival ?
So the battle is important enough that Mathilde already decided to risk her live by fighting it. If she wouldn't care about the outcome enough to take some risks, why is she on the battlefield in the first place?In a battle and there's a charge? Leading with apparitions is useful, she'd probably do it then unless it's an obvious victory (a charge into peasants, for example). The thing is, those happen a lot. And each cast it'll be a roll or miscast, and that badness stacks up.
So the battle is important enough that Mathilde already decided to risk her live by fighting it. If she wouldn't care about the outcome enough to take some risks, why is she on the battlefield in the first place?
And if the battle is close and important enough that Mathilde decides that BM is worth the risk it poses to her personally, instead of doing something else that is in her toolbox? In that case I'm fine with casting it.
I'm pretty much of the opposite opinion, not really on the battlemagic but how I'd rather have Mathilde Die.
Dying to a Miscast, would honestly be an incredibly lame way to end this quest.
And here we go again. "If we pick up Battle Magic we will definitely miscast and said miscast will definitely kill us. "Or to put it another way: Here lies Mathilde Weber, she died being a shoddy wizard.
I would rather she die in battle than that.
Because it doesn't mean we necessarily fail. Not adding a bonus to a charge doesn't mean we lose the battle. We would instead be doing other stuff as well, from ganking a leader, to Rite of Way with the Mistery staff, to dispelling.
Remenber, in this situation you are arguing betewen BM or something worse and more risk, otherwise BM wouldn't have been cast as the better option.The choice isn't between use BM or do nothing, it's between use BM or do something else. Melkoth's, or the dragonflask, or a fog BM spell.
Lol so a big chunk of them are the kind of people that make 'Having to think all the time is so hard. Please just kill me'-posts on social media. Kinda robs them of the Gravitas.The Dean and their staff. Trusting, obedient, studious, introverted, the same sort of thing that'd make someone a good fit for a monastery. A very promising trait is wanting to be a Battle Wizard - there are quite a few people that decide that after about a decade as an Apprentice within the College walls, they want to remain within the College walls and dedicate their life to delving as deeply as they can into their Wind, emerging only occasionally to demonstrate their mastery of it in the service of the Empire.
I mean, 2 v 1 where your partner is expendable opens up options like "run away and leave our minion to stall them" or "let the Rider distract them while we line up a crippling blow ". It's certainly something.Personally I am very unsure just 1 Rider would be useful the next time we have to fight a Champion of Khorne in melee or something similar.
Or to put it another way: Here lies Mathilde Weber, she died being a shoddy wizard.
I would rather she die in battle than that.
And here we go again. "If we pick up Battle Magic we will definitely miscast and said miscast will definitely kill us. "
Because sometimes you don't need to take many risks to win? Like the whole battle of the Caldera was us taking remarkably few risks and winning by being clever. In fact, it's better to win the easy way than the risky way.So the battle is important enough that Mathilde already decided to risk her live by fighting it. If she wouldn't care about the outcome enough to take some risks, why is she on the battlefield in the first place?
See, you are making a false dichtomy between Mathilde not participating in the battle usefully, and casting dangerous battle magic. There's a clear and obvious middle road we can walk, that we have repeatedly walked successfully. Us learning battle magic says to Mathilde: hey, we aren't good enough at deciding the fate of battles, so we need to take a lot more risk. But that's clearly wrong: we consistently have shown that we don't need to take a lot of risk to win, with the Khornate being the big exception.And if the battle is close and important enough that Mathilde decides that BM is worth the risk it poses to her personally, instead of doing something else that is in her toolbox? In that case I'm fine with casting it.
No, we aren't arguing between that. Again, this will be used in situations with less risk also! Because battlemagic is useful. See the false dilemma I pointed out above.Remenber, in this situation you are arguing betewen BM or something worse and more risk, otherwise BM wouldn't have been cast as the better option.
By that metric, dying in battle should result in "Here lies Mathilde Weber, slain by being a shitty soldier."
Oh nice, you completely ignored a massive part of the first sentence of my post.And here we go again. "If we pick up Battle Magic we will definitely miscast and said miscast will definitely kill us. "