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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Maybe Teclis is just like Mathilde and gets along better with othet races.

Hmmm

Diplomacy is their worst stat.

Both prefer to do deeds instead of speaking.

Both are focused on more then just their respective nation but looking at others.

Have probaly one of the best respective windsight within their race.

It is clear to me. Teclis isn't Ranald wearing a mask, it's Mathilde!
 
The3rdCorinthian said:
I agree but I would like to see the result.
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Asarnil: I do what I want.
Teclis: I could do what I want?
Asarnil: Yes.
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Mathilde: Your best bet is to be instrumental in retaking a fallen Karak. That worked for me, so that's my advice.
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Teclis then proceeds to be instrumental in retaking a Karak by spamming High Magic
Some non-Kragg runelord: Makes him a Master Rune of Vitality talisman to repay the Debt.
Teclis: Mathilde is now my favourite human.
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Then Mathilde wakes up

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Mathilde: Nooo! My elf dad headpats!
 
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Derpmind said:
On the Pilgrimage of Fingers, if Mathilde wanted to formalize that, wouldn't that involve tattooing her fingers? Would that be something Mathilde could do, and is it something she would want to do? (And buy a pair of [fingerless?] gloves, I suppose.)
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You can tattoo them in subtle ways (Boney has commented on this):
Boney said:
Depends on the size, the location, and the colour. Something small and similar to skin tone on the inside crease of a joint could be almost unnoticeable. And there's always gloves.
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I, for one, have wanted this for a while.

As for thefts from gods:
We got Vlag, Za Goblet, Gork & Mork esssence, The dwarves under the blood river from Slaanesh, Stromfels Shrine (but that wasn't really us), and I'd give us Queekish too, given the number of people sent insane by that. Perhaps AV would count, as its stealing directly from the Aether?

That would put us at 6-7 gods robbed, depending on if we count Stromfels and how we tabitulate the Za Goblet.

I think another way of counting would be 2 per Ranald Facet. So the Drakenhof castle and Vlag for the Protector, AV and Gork/Mork essence for the Gambler (we got really lucky for AV), 8 Peaks & waystones/Queekish for the Deceiver, and the Za Goblet and College of Necromancy (remember what side of the coin we used) for the Night Prowler.
 
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I would prefer not to count AV, in part because the 'theft' is ongoing and not a one and done event.

(arguably it's more a mining operation)

I do like the idea of 2 per facet though.
 
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Shard said:
I would prefer not to count AV, in part because the 'theft' is ongoing and not a one and done event.

(arguably it's more a mining operation)

I do like the idea of 2 per facet though.
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Yeah, Queekish can substitute for it pretty well. I just want to go get this so bad. Doing Ranaldy things is my favorite part of the quest.
 
Redshirt Army said:
I maintain that the Goblet doesn't count - we stole that for the Ancient Widow, not Ranald. No double-dipping.
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Ehh, we did it as a favor for the ice witches, true, but it was a multi god operation, and Ranald was one of those gods. He got into a fist fight with Khorne. And we got told afterwards that Kislev's gods appreciated his help on the op.

Frankly, this was more a Ranald op than most of the other examples. Gork and Mork was originally for the dwarfs, and Ranald only got involved as the fence in the aftermath, but he was definitly involved. But with Vlag, it was for the dwarfs (and the general security of the world), and he was only the hype man. That theft was less for Ranald.
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He does have two daughters.
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Aren't they twins? Clearly Shallya is double dipping.
Actually, who's to say Shallya is the mother? Ranald has female guises too.
 
I don't count saving dwarves at the bottom of a river "theft", and we don't know that it was from a Chaos God - we suspect that the family which ordered the bombing was a Pleasure Cult, but we don't know it for sure (please vote for the Skull River Ambush social action).

The return of Vlag, on the other hand, was absolutely a theft, and in a way more literal than any of the other places Mathilde helped reclaim - by plugging the Waystone Mathilde literally took Vlag from one place (Hell) to another (reality), and in doing so she freed a bunch of innocents from unjust imprisonment, which is archetypal Protector stuff (and she did it under the influence of the Protector to boot).

As for "double-dipping", I'll say there's nothing wrong with that. All good heists involve accomplices, and the loot is often split between them.
 
Redshirt Army said:
I maintain that the Goblet doesn't count - we stole that for the Ancient Widow, not Ranald. No double-dipping.
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For myself, I feel like the criteria should be: A god has lost something while either specifically trying to defend it, or which they would have defended if they'd known; Mathilde, Ranald, or someone on their behalf has gained something; and Mathilde is irrefutably responsible.

As far as that applies to the Za Goblet, a lot of the schtick of the cult of The Protector is people who steal from the rich and give to the poor, Mathilde herself was actively under the Protector in basically everything related to the Expedition, (Even Gotrek's Widow) and Ranald was actively working alongside us to make amends there.

Really though, The point of this wasn't to see how many different ways Mathilde fulfilled the criteria but, rather to see if there's a way to count potential thefts as something more aspirational than achieved.

I'll admit I honestly wasn't expecting it to be more than a laugh. If I was being serious I'd maintain support for the pilgrimage to be counted entirely in the form of stolen mountains.
 
Za Goblet and Vlag for Protector, Queeckish and ? for Deceiver, Gork/Mork and AV for Gambler, ? and ? for Night Prowler.
 
IronFist said:
Teclis then proceeds to be instrumental in retaking a Karak by spamming High Magic
Some non-Kragg runelord: Makes him a Master Rune of Vitality talisman to repay the Debt.
Teclis: Mathilde is now my favourite human.
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... very meta at this moment, but could Mathilde commission that for him? She doesn't have to tell them who it's for. Or we could just frame it as paying back the debt for starting thr colleges. The dwarfs might accept that.
 
I doubt it would work.
And might come of as patronizing.
This is "The" Wizard, if magic was going to fix it, he would have fixed it.
Also, as has been already proven, Khorne is more than capable of going "NOPE" on any runecraft modern dwarves are capable of.
 
Valmond said:
Also, as has been already proven, Khorne is more than capable of going "NOPE" on any runecraft modern dwarves are capable of.
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I think the point is to do the reverse of how you deal with a regenerator - basically use multiple sources of vitality to supplement each other, not stronger than the curse on their lonesome, but giving it more to fight.

Not saying Runecraft is a good idea tho, when it comes to an elf...
 
Aliya said:
Queeckish and ? for Deceiver Gork/Mork and AV for Gambler, ? and ? for Night Prowler.
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Queckish and Querech for Deciver, Gork and Mork for Gambler and AV and ? Night Prowler.

I think this make sense? Querech is still helping the Empire with his work so I think he is worthy.

And if we want to nail him down we can push him to teach us High Queckish which is blasphemy and then offer him another god to protect his soul from Horned Rats vengence on his soul. Ranald might be amused at a rat worshipping a cat.
 
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Neablis said:
... very meta at this moment, but could Mathilde commission that for him? She doesn't have to tell them who it's for. Or we could just frame it as paying back the debt for starting thr colleges. The dwarfs might accept that.
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I don't even think there's a Rune that would help him to begin with.
 
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