Mopman43
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And that only gets accelerated the more trade deals we make for Eonir imports.
I do kinda wonder just what Elven luxury goods are. Fine woodworked furniture? Jewelry? Instruments?
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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I do kinda wonder just what Elven luxury goods are. Fine woodworked furniture? Jewelry? Instruments?
Pretty much, but consider. A human woodworking master had maybe 30 to 40 years to "master" their craft. A elven woodworking master had 3 to 4 centuries.
Pretty much, they could probably sustain themselves just by doing extra fine woodworking and maybe some extra special varieties of plants. But they also got smithing and glassware and other such things... Hell the boatbuilders will have good customers after they build their own fleet. Who doesn't want an elven boat.
Edit: I'm now imagining a elven boat with a full on tree for a mast. With fruits growing from it.
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- North Wales
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So, rather than
"Eike Study: Investigate (one of the isolationist houses), with an eye to learning about the key figures, what they want, and how we can swing them away from the Isolationist faction"
"Eike Study: Ingratiate herself with (one of the integrationist houses), finding out why they support further relations with the Empire and what can be done to help with that"
Notedly less hostile. Does run the risk of a catastrophic roll making our own follow-ups with the house a bit more frosty but I can't imagine she flubs it so hard she swings the vote away. Still won't succeed without the House actively wanting her to succeed, given they can casually talk rings around her without letting her find anything if they don't want her to. But as they're integrationist, they probably do want her to succeed. Ultimately, most people like talking about themselves.
May help Eike come out of her shell a little by placing her out of her "Stay still and silent" mindset, and build on what is likely her weakest stat.
Does that sound more reasonable for a first solo task?
"Eike Study: Investigate (one of the isolationist houses), with an eye to learning about the key figures, what they want, and how we can swing them away from the Isolationist faction"
"Eike Study: Ingratiate herself with (one of the integrationist houses), finding out why they support further relations with the Empire and what can be done to help with that"
Notedly less hostile. Does run the risk of a catastrophic roll making our own follow-ups with the house a bit more frosty but I can't imagine she flubs it so hard she swings the vote away. Still won't succeed without the House actively wanting her to succeed, given they can casually talk rings around her without letting her find anything if they don't want her to. But as they're integrationist, they probably do want her to succeed. Ultimately, most people like talking about themselves.
May help Eike come out of her shell a little by placing her out of her "Stay still and silent" mindset, and build on what is likely her weakest stat.
Does that sound more reasonable for a first solo task?
A bit but I would remind you of the magic house we dealt with. They were all for integration but kept it on the down low to get a better deal out of us, which worked beautifully. Other houses have probably at least heard of that. Some will maybe even try to imitate it somewhat.
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Any action brings with it the chance of failure. Talking with an ally about their needs and wants is about as soft a diplomatic action as I can think of.
Ultimately if she gets nothing out of it except boosting her Politicking (1/3) to Politicking (2/3) or (3/3), or the starts of an Eonir Diplomacy skill that can be built on by repeating the action with the other houses, the study slot is a success. The point is practical exercises, somewhere a) the possibility of success exists, b) that success is more meaningful to both her and us than a headpat and a gold star on an essay, and c) where failure comes with minimal backlash.
The alternative to putting practical tasks in the "Eike Study" slot to test her skills is to fill it with book learning or direct tutoring, which we can only read about so many times before it gets stale and ultimately does her a disservice if she leaves on her Journey with mostly theoretical or highly-supervised experiences.
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Tasoli
Life is for Living
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Jevelery would be a big one as welI imagine. They could buy ores and sell Jevelery and luxury enchantments would alsa fetch good price for rather low volume.
The thing is though, the houses are in constant competition with each other, and that's not even getting into the general population they're constantly working to deny any real path to power to by monopolizing all routes to it.
At some point if coexistence keeps on being the political position of Laurelorn, someone is going to make a grab for the money sitting on the table, at which point they'll get competitors forced to do the same thing just so the first party doesn't outgrow them to badly.
How long that process takes is more questionable, but I could see the beginning start surprisingly soon. After radically altering their position to build all those boats for marble shipments that House is not going to want to just have them sit around doing nothing afterwards, and will already be used to sailing to Kislev for goods. It wouldn't be a huge leap for them to just keep doing that, and just buying stuff they could sell on to other customers. At which point the ball is rolling.
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The thing is that if the ruling council decides that tourism isn't going to be a thing, it won't. This is not like a modern city where you can do what you want within reason. If the council the decides you idea has no Merit, it's out.
There doesn't need to be any human tourism involved though. There's plenty of elf labor available to transfer the goods across their territory.
Setting aside the city elves entirely for a moment, the forest born also could well be interested, it's a way for them to make cash as well as reduce their dependence towards the city for finished goods.
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Again, transfer to where? If the empire wanted sea access then they already have it independent from Marienburg, salkalten exists. If your thinking about building up any kind of port at the laurelorn coast ask yourself why salkalten didn't work out.
If Marienburg decides to try and destroy Laurelorn shipping they may well find themselves having bit off more they they can chew. They're well within striking distance of Laurelorn, and rather than Ulthuan backing them up like they did against the Empire they may well find Ulthuan support for Laurelorn. It would be a nice way for them to pick up influence to counterbalance Naggaroth.
For that laurelorn would actually have to start oversea shipping and I still don't understand why they would. Maybe to reach the Asur? But even then that's iffy.
No, for me the only reason laurelorn would transfer things through their forest would be for a empire trading port at the coast. And that has no such protection as the eonir probably enjoy from the Asur.
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As I understand it, the premise for the topic is that Laurelorn starts trading, because it's free money and one of the houses or another will pick it up to get an advantage over their rivals.
Like I said, they already plan to start doing so. There's a House that plans on bulding ships to import marble from Kislev. I expect they'll keep using those ships after they finish that job, as otherwise it's a huge waste of an expensive asset, as well as all the infrastructure retooling they did to build them in the first place.
Ok, but for the Kislev trade they only need a few ships that can traverse the Schaukel or demtz... And after the boatbuilders can very easily sell their new boats to anyone else. Because their elven boats...
It's really quite hard to start oversea trading when you haven't left your Forrest in the last 3000 years...
It might be hard, but they're apparently doing it anyway for the Marble, so I don't think, that after sinking all that investment into creating a drydock, building the ships, training sailors, learning the route to sail to Kislev, and all the other aspects of the process. That after they're done importing enough marble that they'll just think to themselves "Welp, let's sell off these ships and close up shop. Jobs Done."
Not sell of the ships... But you don't need that many ships and one route to erengrad (which is literally "follow the coast east." ) Does not a naval empire make.
Making regular trips to erengrad makes more sense then starting up a ocean going navy...
If you want a practical diplomacy action that Eike stands a chance of actually succeeding in, sending her to Middenheim to sniff around might be a better idea. She has an Empire diplomacy skill, it's friendly territory, there's no chance of Eike getting tricked by some 200 years old politician, and there's EIC assets in the city that Eike could maybe use somehow (use them to gather information so she's better informed when she talks to to whoever she ends up talking to maybe?). I'm not sure what such an action could achieve, but that's mostly because we have stubbornly refused to take the social action that would let us find out how the Middenland side of the Eonir-Middenland alliance looks like. If we do that sometime soon maybe we'll find some opportunities.
Depends on how good the elf boat is.
A) they haven't been keeping up with shipbuilding developments.
B) they're very out of practice, there might not be a single elf left alive that has actually built a boat not meant for river transport/fishing. Let along one of the old warship designs covered in dust.
Both of those things means we shouldn't be surprised if the Elve boats are both a bit dated and not as masterfully made as would be expected.
I'm not really sure what you're getting at? That something starts small does not mean it will stay small. If it makes economic sense for it to grow it will grow until it no longer makes economic sense to do so.
Oftentimes the starting of a thing is the most difficult part, and they've already committed to starting.
I am fully supporting this action. This feels like a appropriate action of Eike sneaking... Though i honestly would love a Mathilde/Eike action first so that we get a idea of her capabilities.
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Maybe the Druuchi helped them with shipbuilding?