Which topics related to our world-saving research do you think the university of Nuln is going to have? Mathilde is pretty much ok on non-magical topics related to Waystone research, and honestly she's pretty good on magical topics as well, which is why doing back-fill this purchase turn makes sense. And there's also something to be said for filling out our very sparse 'war and combat' section, which is almost entirely taken up by books on greatswords.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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And then Slaanesh used their One Neat Trick to make the library vanish into the warp in vengeance for us saving vlag.
General polity books that we can use to better talk to people for one. Ulthuan is going to come a-knocking soon and the Druchi are already here
...alas for it Slaanesh attempted to do so next to Kragg the Grim who whacked it so hard in the pseudopod never dared transgress into the material world again.
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One of them talks to our shadow, of course.
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- Australia
Well yeah, but Reikspiel books benefit the public just as much, so might as well get books we can read.
No no, even then. Gotta remember that the Everqueen is a woman in Warhammer.
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I'd want to get the University exchange done before a back-fill, as the latter focuses on closing gaps and there'll be a lot fewer gaps to focus on for general topics after that action is done.
The bonus-gains from copying a library may or may not be immediate depending on the level of verisimilitude Boney goes for (copying takes time and there's only so many scribes, but mechanically it's probably cleaner if the bonuses show up right away rather than having to be brought up in a throwaway "BTW copying from 3 turns ago is done" paragraph). But even if the book-bonuses don't show up right away, Mathilde will have a list of books in the process of being scribed so a backfill can avoid those titles.
Which is to say I'd rather this turn's purchase be something specialised enough that it's unlikely to show up in the copy action.
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NexusEye
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On the subject of royal inheritance, I think I may have come with a way to reconcile an apparent oddity from a while back about High King inheritance that makes sense.
Here's my attempt to explain away this anomaly. Things in (parenthesised italics) are speculative details that may contradict what Boney has already set up but can be excluded if it doesn't fit, they aren't essential just extra details. Everything else is completely compatible with the setting of Divided loyalties to the best of my knowledge.
When a High King dies without an heir a Council of Kings is gathered to elect a new High King. If the new High King is already a King of a different Hold he moves to Karaz-a-Karak and either appoints a regent, a prince(ss) or trusted steward, to take care of things back home, or governs his old Hold directly, something that was much more feasible back when the Underway was still intact (and a Great Work of the Ancestor-God and/or the secret of how to tell the Waystone network to send messages along leylines using its control mechanism allowed near instant communication) and may theoretically be possible again now that gyrocopters have been invented. When the High King dies traditionally the Kingship of Karaz-a-Karak and the other hold are left to two different prince(ss)s in a quasi-gavelkind fashion, both so that each Hold can have a dedicated ruler who can give their full attention to their Hold and to assuage concerns of other Kings about the possibility of a royal bloodline gathering up too much political power and influence over time and being able to easily coerce other Royal Clans into what they want with that power (though no one would ever actually mention that aspect of the tradition out loud).
I don't disagree in principle, but in practice once we get to the point of copying entire libraries most of the books won't be used by Mathilde regardless of thier languge, simply because they're on topics Mathilde doesn't need. Just look at our last book haul: despite being in Reikspiel, Mathilde is unlikely to ever use the Hydrology books (because she isn't a civil engineer) or the Humorism books (because she isn't an idiot). And as I said I do think there's value in fleshing out KAU's weakest section, rather than adding more books to the already respectable Social Sciene section (IIRC Nuln Academy specializes in topics that fall under Social Science).
General polity books on Tilea and Estalia are likely to be found in the Aquila Academy. Those two are the last two polities in the Old World we don't have books on, so that'll round out our collection nicely, and we're also supposed to map those areas sometime (though there doesn't seem to be much appetite for actually taking that action). I'm actually not sure which is more likely to have books on elves between the Aquila Academy and the University - Tilea is a costal nation, and Estalia also has a pretty long coast, so maybe they deal with elves more?
Also, the Nuln Aqulia Academy is notable in canon for taking the stance that the whole "we should do another Arabyan crusade" thing is moronic and they should focus on Chaos instead. I don't know if the Aqulia Academies' weird Araby obsession is quest canon, but the Knights of the Blazing Sun joining Magnus in the Great War definitely is, so Aquila Academy is probably going to have books on enemies of men that might be relevant to Mathilde.
Finally, the Nuln Aqulia Academy is associated with the Knights of the Blazing Sun IIRC, and that order was part of the reconquest of K8P, and therefore something something 5d chess.
That's...a fair point, I suppose. But I don't know that there's anything specialized that we really need right now. Maybe it'll make some sense to back-fill a topic the Nuln libraries are unlikely to have books on, such as...uh...dwarven religion? Yeah I don't know. Something to think about when we get to to purchase turn.
That is a fair point, consider me onboard with the Aquila Academy.
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The minor colleges then. They're focused on trades and more commonly used skills, like cooking and law, which are more widely useful to Eight Peaks than the stuff we'd get from GUN or Aquila.
Maybe. I did say Minor Colleges might also be good as a kind of training action for our new scribes, that's another point in their favour. It's not that I'm married to the idea of copying the Aquila Academy, I actually would be pretty much fine with copying Nuln University, I just think we should discuss this stuff instead of automatically copying the GUN as most turn plans did. Actually you know what, I should just do a list of pros and cons for the available libraries, I'll go and do that.
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- Utrecht
If the wastes are that far south that Slaanesh can pull that shit off, the world is fucked anyway.
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- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
I didn't know Norn was an official exception. I thought they just happened to not have a suitable male heir at the time of the previous succession. So is Karak Norn inheritance cognatic or do they have an actual female-dominated succession system? I.e. enatic.
She wasn't supposed to lie to the other Councilors. The other Councilors also agreed to lie, but he thought it would be harder for Mathilde, because she personally asked Thorgrim for aid and because of this his rejection was more personal an insult to her.
I think that originally Karak Norn just happened to get a queen and it was noted that it was the first time a Dwarfhold had ever been ruled by a queen, but that was icky and statistically unlikely so they changed it that at some time in the distant past Karak Norn was the first to have a queen and also has a queen now, and then it just became their thing.
In quest canon, Karak Norn became cognatic when their first Queen took the King-in-Exile of Ekrund as her husband, so that the Queen would have full proper monarch status and not just the last resort because there was nobody with a penis handy.
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Backfilling on Dwarven Religion is something I'd be in favour of, both for its own sake and for the possibility of getting some more information on the OG dwarven gods, either in the Esoteric levels of the original Ancestor Gods, or on their own right.
I'm especially interested in the possibility that Ranald the Father is one - perhaps his animal was the cat, or the snake? It'd explain how the Ancestor Conclave got in contact with Ranald to ask him about Mathilde too, because in retrospect their decision had an awfully quick turnaround when they'd otherwise have had to reach out to the Cult of Ranald and negotiate.
Hmm... just had a thought about what paper we could do next turn since nothing is really jumping out at us for serenity @Boney would we be able to do a paper on elementalism using the books we just got and coaching it from a College perspective? Or do the books also get transferred to all the College libraries too fast for this to be doable? It would be a hell of a feather in our hat to the ones to finally explain elementalism from a Colegiate PoV.
Mathilde has never seen Elementalism performed and has no special insight into how it might work. The only thing she'd be drawing from is the writings of others. That feels rather unearned to me.
Darn, cutthroat academic idea foiled.
Seriously though I get it, it was just a thought since I am not that enthused about coin books. Still better to have the option than not and risk doing AV without all the pieces IMO.
Here's some pros and cons of copying the various Nuln libraries (with thanks to @Andres for his post). Obviously in the long term all those books will find their way to our library, this is about which we should start copying next turn. Feel free to let me know if you disagree on any of those points or have more to add.
Grand University of Nuln
+Is probably the largest library by a wide margin. If copying a library requires one action to set-up the copying and then "runs in the background" (is that how it works?) it might be best to start early with this one.
+The school has notable philosophy and theology faculties, maybe they'll have some books Eike will be interested in such as books on ethics.
+Just a lot of books. Many books on many topics. This is kind of the obvious choice.
-Apparently 'The school specialises in mathematics, philosophy, theology, literature, and some sciences, disdaining the fringe sciences of newer programs.' Are any of those topics something we're really desperate to have in our library in the near future? For our own use or for the use of the K8P population?
-Do we want our fresh scribes copying complicated academic texts? Maybe they'll make mistakes?
Aquila Academy of Nuln
+Will have books on war and combat, which is the smallest section in our library by far and which could be useful to the K8P population.
+Will likely have books on Tilea and Estalia, which are the only two Old World polities we don't have any books on.
+Will likely have relevant books on enemies of man, since this Aquila Academy is notable for considering the fight against Chaos to be very important.
+Will best utilize our Tilean literate scribes, since they're likely to have a lot of books in Tilean.
-When was the last time Mathilde planned a military campaign?
-We're not particularly likely to go to Tilea or Estalia anytime soon, except maybe for a mapping action but those don't really include a ton of interaction with the locals.
-Mathilde can't read Tilean.
Imperial School of Engineers
+More enginnering books for Okri?
-We already have a lot of engineering books. Do we really need more?
-Is likely to have a pretty narrow selection of topics, basically engineering and adjacent topics (architecture, physics and chemistry etc).
Imperial Gunnery School
-Most of their books are in a hole in the ground.
-This is basically the 'Imperial School of Engineers' option, but worse.
-Don't pick this one.
Minor Colleges of Nuln
+Will include books on common trades, which could be immediately useful to the population of K8P and further encourage literacy among them.
+Are less prestigious/important than other libraries, so could perhaps be a good first mission for our new scribes to cut their teeth on.
+Possibly includes less technical topics than other options, and so might be an easier task for our fresh scribes.
-Not super clear what those books will be about.
-This is probably the worst option as far as increasing the prestige of our library goes.
-Since those include a number of institutions rather than a single one they're likely to be a pretty scattershot collection, kind of like a completely undirected backfill. Maybe it's best to pick an option where we can at least kind of know what we're getting?
+Is probably the largest library by a wide margin. If copying a library requires one action to set-up the copying and then "runs in the background" (is that how it works?) it might be best to start early with this one.
+The school has notable philosophy and theology faculties, maybe they'll have some books Eike will be interested in such as books on ethics.
+Just a lot of books. Many books on many topics. This is kind of the obvious choice.
-Apparently 'The school specialises in mathematics, philosophy, theology, literature, and some sciences, disdaining the fringe sciences of newer programs.' Are any of those topics something we're really desperate to have in our library in the near future? For our own use or for the use of the K8P population?
-Do we want our fresh scribes copying complicated academic texts? Maybe they'll make mistakes?
Aquila Academy of Nuln
+Will have books on war and combat, which is the smallest section in our library by far and which could be useful to the K8P population.
+Will likely have books on Tilea and Estalia, which are the only two Old World polities we don't have any books on.
+Will likely have relevant books on enemies of man, since this Aquila Academy is notable for considering the fight against Chaos to be very important.
+Will best utilize our Tilean literate scribes, since they're likely to have a lot of books in Tilean.
-When was the last time Mathilde planned a military campaign?
-We're not particularly likely to go to Tilea or Estalia anytime soon, except maybe for a mapping action but those don't really include a ton of interaction with the locals.
-Mathilde can't read Tilean.
Imperial School of Engineers
+More enginnering books for Okri?
-We already have a lot of engineering books. Do we really need more?
-Is likely to have a pretty narrow selection of topics, basically engineering and adjacent topics (architecture, physics and chemistry etc).
Imperial Gunnery School
-Most of their books are in a hole in the ground.
-This is basically the 'Imperial School of Engineers' option, but worse.
-Don't pick this one.
Minor Colleges of Nuln
+Will include books on common trades, which could be immediately useful to the population of K8P and further encourage literacy among them.
+Are less prestigious/important than other libraries, so could perhaps be a good first mission for our new scribes to cut their teeth on.
+Possibly includes less technical topics than other options, and so might be an easier task for our fresh scribes.
-Not super clear what those books will be about.
-This is probably the worst option as far as increasing the prestige of our library goes.
-Since those include a number of institutions rather than a single one they're likely to be a pretty scattershot collection, kind of like a completely undirected backfill. Maybe it's best to pick an option where we can at least kind of know what we're getting?
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I think we should wait until we have some books on Nehekaran history before we do the coin papers, so we can add context to each coin rather than writing a list of "in year xxxx, coin y was minted".
NexusEye
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We're running low on papers but we still have several things in the Accumulated Artefacts list that we could study and produce papers on those. It's slower but we could set up a rhythm where we research one thing and write a paper about another, then next turn we research a new thing and write a paper about what we were researching last turn.
There is a purchase round coming up, we could buy some right now, thanks to a brief Nehekara craze Imperial books on Nehekara exist and dwarf books certainly do.
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Maybe something on the Nehekaran pantheon as well, so we can look into both Khsar and Qu'aph?
Chlof
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I'd imagine material sciences like physics or chemistry and broad coverage of a lot of engineering subsets like architecture, masonry, ballistics, artillery etc