That reminds me that I kinda want to do an action where Mathilde gives a lecture to the Eonir. Probably the Waaagh and Peace one. It's not sharing any new information (the Eonir already have notes from the first lecture), but it's novel enough that I think it would impress the elves. Sarvoi could probably help set us up with an auditorium and an audience.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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That reminds me that I kinda want to do an action where Mathilde gives a lecture to the Eonir. Probably the Waaagh and Peace one. It's not sharing any new information (the Eonir already have notes from the first lecture), but it's novel enough that I think it would impress the elves. Sarvoi could probably help set us up with an auditorium and an audience.
I approvd, but mostly because Sarvoi is the best elf, and I want adopt him. Maybe as an uncle, or older cousin.
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- Argentina
Hadn't we got a huge backlog to go through (and I mean, both AV and apparition binding kind of comes first), i would like to see this. I like him as a character.
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- Somewhere between the stars
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- She/Her
Taking Eike with us to Bretonnia does sound pretty neat though. It allows Eike to touch with another nation, which is Mathilde's strong point, ability to connect with other polity's. And even if we can't take Eike with us on the spesific scouting for the iron Orc's part of the mission. When the part comes from crashing down the Bretonnian calvary upon the iron orc's she could be bloodied there. It seems like a neat way of both leveling scouting, letting Eike learn more of Mathilde's diplomacy brand(and hopefully combat testing), as well as Bretonnian favour for later.
Given that Mathilde could write down her Dhar insight, and while the Colleges would classify it that's it, I wonder if she could privately trade that knowledge to House Tindomiel.
It's potentially more valuable to them than to us, as they can 'safely' use Dhar in small doses. I expect they already know the First and Second Secret, but the wider insight from many traditions of Dhar use they're unfamiliar with may be valuable to them.
It's potentially more valuable to them than to us, as they can 'safely' use Dhar in small doses. I expect they already know the First and Second Secret, but the wider insight from many traditions of Dhar use they're unfamiliar with may be valuable to them.
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- Before the Ninth Gate
I'm pretty sure that at this point the printing press exists, and people do make pamphlets.
And the Cult of Ranald isn't perfect, and also could end up buying the books from someone less scrupulous. Also, I'm a little worried about someone (that isn't a Ranaldian) purposely planting a cursed book to get to whoever is in charge of this (i.e. us, but they wouldn't need to know that).
Honestly, better would be to put a bounty out just for info on cultists etc. It's gotta be hard for a Ranaldian to go to the local Witch Hunter and say "While I was robbing this noble lord I found..."
2 problems:
1. The smith is involved with elf CIA and those are a bit beyond Eike right now.
2. The blacksmith has a mammoth friend. And not just any mammoth but any ultra rare shiny ancient one. I'd rather not have Mathilde die from envy.
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I'm missing the the context j feel, which elf are we talking about?2 problems:
1. The smith is involved with elf CIA and those are a bit beyond Eike right now.
2. The blacksmith has a mammoth friend. And not just any mammoth but any ultra rare shiny anscient one. I'd rather not have Mathilde die from envy.
(Also yes, Mathilde needs to have her own book of grudges for people with mammoths)
Actually for once I do not think the elves know this particular advanced magic, it was noted as being 'with the patience of a priest', that sounds like a Nagash Special to make up for the fact that he was not an elf, so it would be alien to the elven tradition. Add that to the fact that the Dark Elves do not usually go for long lasting Dhar constructs, they just use daemons, and I do not think they have the First Secret.
On the other hand, Nagash developed necromancy based on what he learned about Dhar from captured dark elves.
A bound daemons binding may be made with the First Secret.
I think the Asur know the Second Secret, as I think an elven archmage is described as dispelling an undead army that attacked Marienberg during the Vampire Wars.
Dark elf sorceresses seem like they may be something like Priestesses of Hekarti.
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I find it hard to believe people from the Cult of thieves would choose to buy the books instead of stealing them. Although in any case I don't think there would be any problem in buying these books.
I find it extremely hard to believe someone would somehow plant a cursed book to get us. And even harder to believe said book would make it to us without getting triggered by the literal thief or the people who is handling getting it to us. Finally even if it did I trust Mathilde to treat these very illegal books carefully. I find all of the above even more improbable if the book isn't meant to get to us.
But he also based it on the theurgy of his own people, Necromancy is jail-broken Neherkaran theurgy (at least the Mortuary Cult version). I think it is at least resonable when something is said to be done 'with the patience of a priest' we are looking at that side of its heritage, especially as when the use of Dhar by dark elves is mentioned in the lore the terms are very violent and direct, not slow and methodical.
That said I could see Asur mages figuring it out when/if they are faced with necromancy... or tearing it out of a vampire's mind with enough time and effort.
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Talking about the Ranald Bounty, what would people think about using it to get books from Baron Henryk's College of Navigation and Sea Magicks.
Marienburg is pretty hostile to the Empire and has screwed it numerous times, the most recent I think threatening a blockade so we abandon the canal (can't remember if they went through with it) and sabotaging the canal. So paying them back (even if what we would do isn't nearly on the same scale as what they have done) feels kind of right.
It's extremely unlikely we manage to get books from it or the University of Verena in Marienburg. And they have books about magic and if we get enough most likely we will probably be rewarded by the Colleges somehow.
Marienburg is pretty hostile to the Empire and has screwed it numerous times, the most recent I think threatening a blockade so we abandon the canal (can't remember if they went through with it) and sabotaging the canal. So paying them back (even if what we would do isn't nearly on the same scale as what they have done) feels kind of right.
It's extremely unlikely we manage to get books from it or the University of Verena in Marienburg. And they have books about magic and if we get enough most likely we will probably be rewarded by the Colleges somehow.
I think that it might screw up Heidi's plans to get Ranald the Dealer in a more solid position both in Marienburg and the empire. Also if anyone can scry their missing books it would be the wizards. I would not want to explain to Belegar why we are using his money to pay for thieves. All in all I think the juice is not worth the squeeze with that option not on any level.
Even Forbidden books runs the risk of getting us shit useless grimoires of two bit sorcerers, but considering the risk of dealing even with one of those for the average thief they would still cost an arm and a leg.
Resonant
Procrastinator Supreme
The printing press for mass production won't be available for a few decades from now.
Stealing/buying illegal books from someone unscrupulous would mean there's less potential victims they could sell to, and we're aiming to acquire these books to safeguard them under lock and key, anyways. So I don't see how it potentially being cursed would be a concern. The Cult of Ranald might not be perfect, but they can't possibly make a mistake on the type of illegal tomes to steal.
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- Before the Ninth Gate
Not to us specifically. But if they find out that someone in the cult of Ranald is getting books, they could try to strike it out. Actually, probably a bigger fear is that a Witch Hunter finds out about it, and sends that up, to eventually smear Ranaldians, as they don't know why we want it (even if we say it's for burning, how could they verify it? They don't know the end source is Mathilde even, it could be anyone).
Books also have the problem of being stolen from known safe storage (iI.e. what the Witch Hunters had that we looked at to decode the Khornate Ritual, IIRC). That now becomes a big pile of money guarded by Witch Hunters.
Better is just info. Then we can go in and rob the books directly, and also kill the evil people involved.
Perhaps we'll also be able to introduce the Bretonnians to RoW. Enabling cavalry charges over more difficult terrain seems like it would be right up their alley. Perhaps they'd try to get Damsels or the Fey Enchantress interested in creating their own version. That would be worth some kudos, surely.
I'm wondering whether Roswita's fear of magic has further dimmed. I doubt it's completely gone, but Mathilde gave her the perfect opportunity not to recruit wizards for the tributaries. I'd have thought that her fear would incline her against wizards, but she plumped for Jades over priests. In a situation where Mathilde had the choice between Sigmarites or others, I struggle to see her going for Sigmarites even if that seems less disruptive. Is it weird to feel proud on Mathilde's behalf at what seems further progress with her friend getting closer to overcoming her fear?
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- New Brunswick, NJ
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- He/Him/His
I feel like while we have the active enmity of the Cult of Verena is a spectacularly poor time to engage the Cult of Ranald to do crimes for the sake of our library. That's just asking to get nailed to the wall. I trust Mathilde's ability to infiltrate, steal, and exfiltrate without leaving a fucking trace. I do not trust every random thief making the sign of the X. Some of those fools will be chasing the bounty and try to steal something out of their skill bracket, get caught, and then we have a lot of trouble that splashes onto Belegar.
I really want KAU to be one of Mathilde's legacies, and as a result I don't want to play silly buggers about where we source our books, and that goes doubly now that we have institutional antagonism with the fucking Goddess of Justice whose Cult has special enmity for our Cult.
I really want KAU to be one of Mathilde's legacies, and as a result I don't want to play silly buggers about where we source our books, and that goes doubly now that we have institutional antagonism with the fucking Goddess of Justice whose Cult has special enmity for our Cult.
Honestly I find it really hard to they they find it with scrying and even if they do they would have to travel through Empire where they would be illegal wizards and fair game for Wich Hunters. But in any case we could always commission an anti scrying room. In fact we should considering we do have the Liber Mortis...
As for Belegar I feel we could frame this pretty nicely as repaying one of the many many grudges the Empire has with Marienburg.
- I do not think they would have to set foot on Imperial soil, they would sail to Barak Var and then take the route up to K8P
- As for Belegar, sure he does not like Marianburgers, but as a cultural touchstone he really does not like thieves. This does not include the enemies of the dawi like skaven and greenskins who do not even have a right to their own lives nevermind their property as far as the dawi are concerned, but the College of Sea Magics are not that. Would be be willing to overlook it for Mathilde's sake? Almost certainly. Would it be bad for his mental health? Yes.
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- Actually pretty lost
Are we really going to skip the Gold College again? Are you going to break my heart again, thread?
We have a large corpus of books, deals that will bring in a great deal more, and a constant stream of Belegar-backed purchases of any new subjects that take our fancy. Between the two, the only books we can't easily get are notable rare individual books that people will notice are missing, and books from places we can't just buy from. In the case of the former, their bonuses are generally prestige-related, so hiding them would miss the point entirely - and so the fact that we've got stolen books will almost certainly come up. For the latter, it's almost certainly more worth it to spend an action trying to break into those markets for consistency, rather than the dribs and drabs of whatever the thieves turn up with.
The thing about the Ranaldian book bounty is that our library is now well-established enough for it not to be worth the trouble any thievery-related scandals would bring us.
We have a large corpus of books, deals that will bring in a great deal more, and a constant stream of Belegar-backed purchases of any new subjects that take our fancy. Between the two, the only books we can't easily get are notable rare individual books that people will notice are missing, and books from places we can't just buy from. In the case of the former, their bonuses are generally prestige-related, so hiding them would miss the point entirely - and so the fact that we've got stolen books will almost certainly come up. For the latter, it's almost certainly more worth it to spend an action trying to break into those markets for consistency, rather than the dribs and drabs of whatever the thieves turn up with.
Why is the book stealing idea coming up now, when we've just secured copying right to three major libraries (one of them one of the biggest libraries in the entire Empire) and a bunch of small libraries besides? For the next few turns if we want a bunch of books we have a very easy, very legal way to do so: copy a library.
Really the thing to discuss KAU-wise is which library to copy next turn. University of Nuln is the obvious choice, but maybe we want our new scribes to cut their teeth on Minor Colleges, or copy the Aquila Academy where our scribes knowledge of Tilean will be useful?
Really the thing to discuss KAU-wise is which library to copy next turn. University of Nuln is the obvious choice, but maybe we want our new scribes to cut their teeth on Minor Colleges, or copy the Aquila Academy where our scribes knowledge of Tilean will be useful?
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Finreir beat Mannfred in a magic duel, I don't know that he just dispelled the whole army like the Grand Theogonist did.
Even if the Druchii or Asur know the 1st and 2nd Secret, that doesn't mean the Eonir know them.
Boney noted that Mathilde could give Sarvoi lessons about Dhar use, though of course he's probably not the Eonir pinnacle of Dhar Magic.
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