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The quote you're thinking of was actually in reference to a dedicated "train Eike" action, not on having Eike watch us do Windherding:
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Laurelorn is fine, right now they are not losing tributaries and are in fact growing more of them, something no other faction in the project can boast.
Mopman43
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On that logic... it's not exactly like we need to sprint to get her to Magic 3 before she's out the door, we have some time still.
We could teach her the basics of enchantment next turn. Maybe include her in a Windherding action the turn after.
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Of course. My argument is purely political in nature.
Score brownie points with the ones backing you, then think outside the bag. The situation elsewhere has been of a slow muddy descent into daemons for far too long for six months to matter.
I'm pretty sure Kislev counts as backing us even if not officially. And what better way for getting official backing by making chaos go away a bit quicker.
Laurelorn is a) totally fine tributary wise
B) full of elves who have probably waited longer for someone making them a toothbrush I bet
And C) are closest to the project and so know they will get stuff.
That's the thread's job to evaluate.
Combustion Chemistry is not its own category. The Elementalists live in Nuln, they're not exploring the depths of the oceans, you want Baron Henryk's for that. And Mathilde already has +5 Imperial for Rituals and Enchantment.
OK but would we be scoring much of anything? They know they are fine as long as there is no war and new tributaries do not help with the war. More to the point they are elves so their natural inclination would be to overestimate not underestimate their already quite good position. Elves are naturally arrogant not petty.
Yes it would be, but this turn my turn plan which included Windherding got completely obliterated by a variant that replaced it with Windfalling, so it seems the people have spoken.
Mathilde had the enchanter trait when she was a Journeywoman, meaning it's something she learned during her apprenticeship. Since for now our Windherding enchantments are likely to include very simple spells I don't think it's that crazy to think that Eike might learn something from it.
Unless your point is that Eike's first interaction with Egrimm should be one where she knows something, so Egrimm doesn't feel like he has to go out of his way to accommodate the clueless kid? In that case I still don't think the Windfall will necessarily be any better, it's not like Eike knows anything about naturally forming Dhar.
Fair point, we could try to teach her enchanting. We know enchanting with petty magic works.
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Actually Mathilde showed talent with enchantment from her very first spell of making a wooden horse neigh.
With 24 hours into the vote the first two places seem quite secure, with Sofia and Elementalism sharing a significant lead. Sofia is a newcomer to the Social Vote, but word on the street is that she's been mentored by the reigning champion, Panoramia. Panoramia hasn't lost a single social vote she's competed in, and it certainly seems that whatever she's been teaching Sofia has been working, as the apprentice is well on her way to win her first ever social vote.
Speaking of newcomers, Elementalism is also having a surprisingly strong showing, and is even slightly ahead of Sofia: a feat which is unfortunately marred by controversy. If I may speak seriously for a moment, I don't know if Elementalism deserves to win this race, but it definitely doesn't deserve to deal with the kind of rumors that have been circulating. I would like to remind everyone that none of the allegations have been proven, and there's no evidence that the so-called 'Lair of the Elementalists' even exists, let alone that it contains the sort of materials that it's been said to contain.
The next four spots are significantly more contentious, and include another newcomer - House Filuan. Some have compared it to the venerable Black Water Canal since it revolves around elves trading with dwarves by river, while the Canal is about artificial rivers being dug by dwarves for trade with humans. House Filuan has a different take on this issue: "yes, obviously the Black Water Canal is a big inspiration, but accusing me of 'stealing' the concept is ridiculous. I improved on it, first by adding elves into the mix - which are way better than humans - and then by making the central mystery be what the stone is even for. The central mystery of the Black Water Canal is timetable delays, so you tell me which is the more compelling option." The Black Water Canal could not be reached for comment, as it is currently recovering from an illness. Get well soon!
Just ahead of House Filuan is the old-timer Gretel, who currently holds one of the winning spots. Gretel has been competing since turn 25 - almost since the start of the social vote - but has yet to win a single race. She says that she's very hopeful that this time will finally be the one, but after so many close losses she's trying not to get her hopes up. I know many watchers at home are rooting for this underdog, but only time will tell if this will be enough to overcome her streak of bad luck.
And of course there's the old Follow-uppers, who've actually been having some success in recent votes - The Fief managed to win a few votes ago, and a few other Follow-uppers had gotten close to winning as well. Early on it seemed The Gold College and the Skull River Ambush will make the cut, but as the race went on it became increasingly clear that the Gold College is the only one with a real chance. "Honestly, it might be for the best", the Gold College said. "Obviously I would love to stand next to Skully on the podium, but with Elementalism being a shoe-in to win that would have left Salamanders all alone. Maybe it's best if they both have to wait another turn, as long as they get to wait together. It sucks to lose every time but it would've been intolerable to languish in the option list without my friends. I don't know how poor Gretel does it." Heartwarming stuff. Sportsmanship is alive and well, folks!
Regarding Laurelorn, there's literally Cadaeth, who helped invent the ritual and learned the language in the process of that, and who is clearly one of their top tributary people. She's eminently qualified to teach other Eonir what needs to be done and is in a position to judge where and when such an effort should be made. I don't really see the need to spend Mathilde's time preempting her.
While this quote for Kislev also makes me think the chances for a rollout there are quite a bit worse than the idea that Boris will just be able to work around his father. So I'm also not hugely enthused about immediately pushing for one there.
While this quote for Kislev also makes me think the chances for a rollout there are quite a bit worse than the idea that Boris will just be able to work around his father. So I'm also not hugely enthused about immediately pushing for one there.
Time for mathilde to stage a coup and take over a Waaagh under a doppelganger spell and lead her Waaagh against the enemies of the empire with her apparitions as her elite 'greenskin' loyalists?
Mopman43
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With one exception- she doesn't speak the casting language for the ritual.
(It also requires a ritual drinking horn that'd be easiest to get from connections with the Cults of Taal and Rhya)
I really don't see why she wouldn't have learned when literally in the process of designing the ritual that requires two casters to speak that language.
The easiest to get for the empire, the Eonir certainly have their own horns.
Mopman43
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The Cult of Taal is fairly central to the Empire (literally, Talabecland is in the middle) but Kurnous is not really favored at all in Laurelorn.
It might be harder to find than you'd think.
The Eonir not being a unified polity is exactly the reason I'm not particularly worried about appeasing the Great Houses with tributaries. Hatalath is a Grey Lord, so the only person he's really beholden to is the queen, same with the other Grey Lords that seem interested in the project now, Cadaeth is vicereine of the Ward of Whatever (correct me if I'm wrong, cause I'm too lazy to check), so I'm pretty sure she's in the same boat as Hatalath. So unless the Queen of Laurelorn herself tells them to stop—which seems unlikely given the fact that it was the Eonir that reached out to us for this in the first place—they're free to continue no matter what.
The only Elf not directly serving the queen is Sarvoi, who serves his house, and if you remember our social action with him, we could have asked for concessions from them cause they so badly wanted to be part of the project, they just bamboozled us with aloofness.
We really aren't at any risk of the Eonir pulling out of the project any time soon unless the isolationist faction grows real powerful real quick, and hopefully nothing causes that to happen, knock on all the wood in Laurelorn.
Do they? IIRC, Cadaeth was the one working with Tochter to make the Dreaming Wood method. Plus, isn't Lingua Praestaentia already a very similar derivative of Eltharin? I can't imagine this being a big topic of negotiation.
They're a full nation state, with a much better idea of the value of this infrastructure than the empire, I'm confident they can manage.
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I think we are missing the point of the argument.
The ones who need this most live in Kislev.
The ones who hosted and backed most of the project are in Laurelorn.
It would be expected of us to cover the bases before going outside. Every move we make is a political statement for now forward. And while we are free to enter the muddy waters of the Tzar not caring and having to circumvent to improve Kislev as a whole... the truth is that there are more receptive people here that are more impactfully helping the project and that neglecting them first is bound to ruffle some feathers.
I am not going to die on this hill... I just hope we cover Laurelorn too before someone asks what are we doing in Kislev or other places.
Mopman43
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It's a derivative of Eltharin but it also includes a lot of Old Reikspiel. And maybe some Classical?
It's a different enough language that Mathilde had to learn it separately through the Grey College.
My point was they did not host it because they wanted tributaries, they solved that problem when they drove the woodsmen out with fire and sword, they would like better tributaries but I do not think they are politically invested in who gets them first, on a scale of months yet to have much of an impact.