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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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fictionfan said:
Now that we know that Waaagh is a type of magic all it's own I wonder if it's possible to make a Waaagh powerstone. I can't see an greenskins doing it unprompted, but it is an interesting idea and if possible it would make doing that greenskins summoning ritual idea far more feasible.
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I'm not sure there is a form of magic less suited to being tightly woven into a solid chunk than the Waaagh.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
this is the first mover information. but the thread doesn't want to bite.
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Yes it's first (Or second I guess) mover information to pursue it now. My point is I don't think getting early access to this information is crucial to Mathilde's position regarding navigating Laurelorn politics. Waiting and getting a general idea about whatever they might be planning to build once it filters out into the wider ecosystem doesn't really seem like a big deal to me.
 
All of the theories about runecraft in relation to elementalism, and of maybe being linked to the great machines making the winds, is really awesome.

Once again I do have to wonder what it was like for Mathilde to hear that great machines are producing the winds, even anecdotally. She doesn't have the sci-fi context to make that a familiar idea. I suppose there's always magical enchantments, but fundamentally these are making magic. What a lovely mind bend.

I suppose she's familiar now with the idea of the raw aethyric energies. So it probably reads as machines running on something like raw AV.

[X] Elementalism
[X] House Filuan
[X] Sofia
[X] Swordplay
[X] The Black Water Canal
[X] Druchii Diplomats
 
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Mopman43 said:
I'm not sure there is a form of magic less suited to being tightly woven into a solid chunk than the Waaagh.
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I wouldn't rule it out, Waaagh energy is actually even less chaotic than the Winds.
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The least intuitive thing about Waaagh energies is that in stark contrast to the beings they arise from, it is entirely predictable and acts more like a mundane gas than the flighty and whimsical energies of the Winds.
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That said we have no idea if the magic of living entities like gods can be compressed into Powerstones without causing problems, in much the same way that while compressing sand might get you sandstone but compressing a living thing like a fox doesn't get you foxstone, you just get a dead fox.
 
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Thomasfoolery said:
Yes it's first (Or second I guess) mover information to pursue it now. My point is I don't think getting early access to this information is crucial to Mathilde's position regarding navigating Laurelorn politics. Waiting and getting a general idea about whatever they might be planning to build once it filters out into the wider ecosystem doesn't really seem like a big deal to me.
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It's intrinsically a big deal. If it filters out into the wider ecosystem first, then us doing the rite of way bridge would be publicly scooping the house. It'd be a loss of face almost no matter how it got cut, to say nothing of the resources wasted on trading for stone that they don't actually need.

Changing their project into a collaborative one can only happen if we find out about it before they publicly commit.
 
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Boney said:
- If there's a book topic that you think the Elementalists should have had - not that you wanted them to have had, something that it's so self-evident that they would have it that you think the lack of it is an oversight on my part - let me know.
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What about Stromfels? He is as much of a Sea God as Manaan (representing the ocean's harsher aspects). He's proscribed, but the fact that the Elementalists had books on Hashut suggests that isn't an eliminating factor.

I also expected more bunk knowledge than just humorism. Dowsing, attempts to see the future through examining flames, that sort of thing.
 
Mathilde disguised as a Orc infiltrate into a circle of orc and goblin shamans

"These hummy powerstones are lame. We should make a prop'r Orc powerstone show the hummys how it's really done."
 
NexusEye said:
That said we have no idea is the magic of living entities like gods can be compressed into Powerstones without causing problems, in much the same way that while compressing sand might get you sandstone but compressing a living thing like a fox doesn't get you foxstone, you just get a dead fox.
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Certainly if it is possible that'd suggest new avenues of research- can Ice Magic form a powerstone? How about Ranald's energies?

I'd expect somewhere along the spectrum it'd fail, though I'm not sure where.
 
Prime 2.0 said:
It's intrinsically a big deal. If it filters out into the wider ecosystem first, then us doing the right of way bridge would be publicly scooping them.

Changing their project into a collaborative one can only happen if we find out about it before they publicly commit.
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First of all, I think there's zero chance their construction project is about creating a wide marble road invitingly into their secluded fortress forest. That being said, even in the case that is what they're planning on building, I don't see why that wouldn't come up in the negotiations for the RoW plan, in which case it could then be taken into account.
 
Mopman43 said:
Certainly if it is possible that'd suggest new avenues of research- can Ice Magic form a powerstone? How about Ranald's energies?

I'd expect somewhere along the spectrum it'd fail, though I'm not sure where.
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If the ice witches do in fact have a ice stones that would be a fairly good hint that the Waaagh idea is at least feasible enough to try. In our copious free time.
 
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Greenskin shamans heard about powerstones and resolved to have ones of their own. However, they didn't understand that this meant "a stone you draw power from" and not "powerful stone." Not that this misunderstanding stopped them, of course.

This is the little-known origin story of Rogue Idols.
 
I wonder if the Eonir are planning on using the marble to either make their existing walls taller and thicker or planning on creating a second set of walls around the first as a redundant set of defenses. The existing walls are made of marble after all.
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on the other side stands the walls of Tor Lithanel, pure-white marble stretching far above even the tallest trees with slender, graceful buttresses and arches adding texture to what would otherwise be a forbidding blank expanse of stone.
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picklepikkl said:
Greenskin shamans heard about powerstones and resolved to have ones of their own. However, they didn't understand that this meant "a stone you draw power from" and not "powerful stone." Not that this misunderstanding stopped them, of course.

This is the little-known origin story of Rogue Idols.
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I mean, in fairness, those are certainly the most powerful stones. I'd like to see Crystal Mist win a fistfight with an Idol.
 
Mopman43 said:
Certainly if it is possible that'd suggest new avenues of research- can Ice Magic form a powerstone? How about Ranald's energies?

I'd expect somewhere along the spectrum it'd fail, though I'm not sure where.
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We know what happens when you expose AV to divine energies you get a divine fingerprint.

Now I want to somehow expose AV to Waaagh, but I can't think of any controlled way to do it. But if we could get Waaagh fingerprints then tricking Greenskins should become not trivial, but not hard.

A Waaagh summoning ritual on enemy bases would be all sorts of neat.
 
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Thomasfoolery said:
Yes it's first (Or second I guess) mover information to pursue it now. My point is I don't think getting early access to this information is crucial to Mathilde's position regarding navigating Laurelorn politics. Waiting and getting a general idea about whatever they might be planning to build once it filters out into the wider ecosystem doesn't really seem like a big deal to me.
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we have been sitting on the Middland 'second mover information' for years now. we don't get more until we poke it.

we have waited, its not going to filter anymore until we poke it again.
 
So these are all topics Mathide learned at least the basics of during her aprenticeship,
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Practical
[*] Intrigue and Tradecraft. (locked in)
[ ] The Use and Creation of Poison
[ ] Spells of Grey Magic
[ ] Swords and Swordplay
[ ] Ritual Magic
[ ] Psychology
[ ] Imperial Law
[ ] Practical Diplomacy

Theory
[ ] The Nature of Ulgu
[ ] The Nature of Magic
[ ] The Enemies of Man
[ ] The Allies of Man
[ ] Religion and the Empire
[ ] The Empire and its Provinces
[ ] Human Nations of the Old World
[ ] Chaos and Chaos Gods

Extracurricular
[ ] Enchantment
[ ] Potions and Alchemy
[ ] Power Stones and their Creation
[ ] Runes and Runecraft
[ ] Wyrdstone Containment
[ ] On the Education of Apprentices
[ ] Searching for and Identifying Animal Familiars
[ ] The Creation of Artificial Familiars
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Out of these the ones that seem best suited for getting someone else to tutor Eike in are; Poisons and Potions, which might be fun to have Pan teach her in if she wouldn't mind having 2 students for those classes, maybe a religion tutor more focused on Shallya, and possibly Imperial law and Empire diplomacy could be taught by someone else more suited to the EIC's perspective (given her Wagons trait, I think it reasonable to say that shes probably going to choose to manage the EIC)
Everything else I think Mathilde can teach.
 
Woltaire said:
what is the enoir city like it walls or buildings made of?
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Boney said:
The forest eventually comes to an abrupt halt and gives way to a wide open meadow of short grass surrounding the banks of the Schaukel, and on the other side stands the walls of Tor Lithanel, pure-white marble stretching far above even the tallest trees with slender, graceful buttresses and arches adding texture to what would otherwise be a forbidding blank expanse of stone. An open drawbridge stretches across the Schaukel towards you, and you have to nudge your Shadowsteed to catch back up to Kadoh as it had responded to your unspoken desire to take in the sight by slowing. And as you pass through the shockingly long tunnel from one end of the wall's base to the other, your breath is taken away once more as you emerge into Tor Lithanel itself. All around you are buildings of pure-white marble that would fade to monotony if it weren't for artistic arrangements of living vines dotted with fruits and berries, and in what must be deliberate mimicry of the vines are inlaid veins of silver and gold with 'fruits' of large and shimmering jewels. But instead of the towering structures you expected every building ends after a uniform two stories, and the reason for that is quickly apparent, as every street is split in two by a line of trees basking in the sunlight, each heavy with fruits and nuts of every variety you've ever seen and many you don't recognize.

You follow Kadoh through the streets in something of a daze, taking in the sights. The streets are much less crowded than those of human cities, though more than Dwarven Karaks, and instead of the leather, leaves and barks of those outside the walls, those inside are dressed in silks and jewels, and many gawk at you just as hard as you're tempted to gawk back at them. Above you the sky is broken by three towers, the only things that break the otherwise even skyline: one of silver, one of obsidian, and one of marble. Every building seems dotted with doorways or openings for small shops or what seem to be taverns, and it seems like you're never out of line of sight from somewhere to get food or drink, even if the trees weren't offering an endless bounty.
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[X] Elementalism
[X] House Filuan
[X] Druchii Diplomats
[X] Skull River Ambush

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picklepikkl said:
Greenskin shamans heard about powerstones and resolved to have ones of their own. However, they didn't understand that this meant "a stone you draw power from" and not "powerful stone." Not that this misunderstanding stopped them, of course.

This is the little-known origin story of Rogue Idols.
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Besides, everyone knows if you need a casting boost it's shrooms you want, silly 'umies.

Jyn Ryvia said:
we have been sitting on the Middland 'second mover information' for years now. we don't get more until we poke it.
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I didn't mention anything about the relative value of Middenland info in that post? It was specifically about House Filuan's potential construction plans.

If you meant that as a broader point that nothing will ever get revealed about items in social actions unless that action is taken I don't really think that's universally true.
 
NexusEye said:
I wonder if the Eonir are planning on using the marble to either make their existing walls taller and thicker or planning on creating a second set of walls around the first as a redundant set of defenses. The existing walls are made of marble after all.
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Probably not the best sign if they feel the need to beef up the walls when I'm not sure any enemy has actually reached them yet. And their natural defenses towards Nordland are recovering.
 
Mopman43 said:
Probably not the best sign if they feel the need to beef up the walls when I'm not sure any enemy has actually reached them yet. And their natural defenses towards Nordland are recovering.
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Recovering but not recovered. And war with Nordland may come before that happens. We know that the Eonir like to have an extensive set of defenses visible or not, new or upgraded walls may be the result of that tendency similair to how Dwarves like to shore up their defenses even if the existing ones are probably sufficient, you can never have too much fortification but you can have too little and you won't find out which until you're overrun.
 
Thomasfoolery said:
If you meant that as a broader point that nothing will ever get revealed about items in social actions unless that action is taken I don't really think that's universally true.
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Oh, they will be revealed. They just won't be actionable when they are.

What I'm point at is that your describing a system where we can wait and get useful information by waiting.

But that's not how it has works so far in the quest. Once we get to this point and we choose not to interact anymore, we will only hear anything about it once the situation has solved itself or blown up. (Whitch I guess is it's own way of solving itself.)
 
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picklepikkl said:
Greenskin shamans heard about powerstones and resolved to have ones of their own. However, they didn't understand that this meant "a stone you draw power from" and not "powerful stone." Not that this misunderstanding stopped them, of course.

This is the little-known origin story of Rogue Idols.
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Mopman43 said:
I mean, in fairness, those are certainly the most powerful stones. I'd like to see Crystal Mist win a fistfight with an Idol.
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You joke but... Honestly, when put this way, I have to wonder if a Idol (or Shrine, temple, artifact, etc.) is the equivalent for the Divine as a Powerstone is to one of the Eight Winds.

It's just that where one makes reality in its presence more amenable to the consistent and seemingly-mindless winds, the other does so for a much more intentional works of a deity and their miracles.
 
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