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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Speaking of Morbs, what exactly is our timeline with that? We have 33 CF right now, so assuming the paper(s) this turn go well we'd have enough for it on the next, right? Does that slot in well with taking whatever other waystone actions/apparitions/whatnot we want to do?
 
Personally my ideal plan would probably be Plan Swordfall and Codifying, where we do the Sword and include the Windfall paper, but nobody's made that a plan yet and I'm not quite confident enough to make one of my own on my very first vote.

ReImagined said:
Speaking of Morbs, what exactly is our timeline with that? We have 33 CF right now, so assuming the paper(s) this turn go well we'd have enough for it on the next, right? Does that slot in well with taking whatever other waystone actions/apparitions/whatnot we want to do?
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We won't have the Room Of Oh No back up until T43, and there's a strong contingent that would prefer not working with eight gallons of stuff that can explode and/or rapidly turn into extremely high quantities of winds until we do.
 
Speaking of completion one of the things I like about the swords plan is that we finally finish the sword action. As much as I have been talking down mapping it is as an action leagues ahead of sword training in terms of stuff that is interesting to read. Mapping had the Reikland nexus and that was very cool to read. By contrast swording had us meet... a morite templar that one time. At the same time learning how to hit things with swords is mechanically optimal because it will make it that much harder to kill Mathilde in a fight and that is not even going into the resources we spent to get a sword that would allow us to cheat our way to grandmastery so it would be pointless to argue against it just because there are only ways to say 'Mathilde learns how to put sharpened metal though things good'.
 
ReImagined said:
Speaking of Morbs, what exactly is our timeline with that? We have 33 CF right now, so assuming the paper(s) this turn go well we'd have enough for it on the next, right? Does that slot in well with taking whatever other waystone actions/apparitions/whatnot we want to do?
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Well, I've been thinking that we do 'create a liminal realm' on the same turn we drop the Orbs, then write the paper after that.

Because while we have the right to keep our secrets. Not telling anyone from the colleges, even our own, how to make Orbs of sorcery for years after we showed them off is definitely the kind of thing that stretches that understanding.
 
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DragonParadox said:
Speaking of completion one of the things I like about the swords plan is that we finally finish the sword action. As much as I have been talking down mapping it is as an action leagues ahead of sword training in terms of stuff that is interesting to read. Mapping had the Reikland nexus and that was very cool to read. By contrast swording had us meet... a morite templar that one time. At the same time learning how to hit things with swords is mechanically optimal because it will make it that much harder to kill Mathilde in a fight and that is not even going into the resources we spent to get a sword that would allow us to cheat our way to grandmastery so it would be pointless to argue against it just because there are only ways to say 'Mathilde learns how to put sharpened metal though things good'.
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The issue is that it turns out we might not, actually, be finishing swords. This is what I was freaking out about a couple pages ago; it's possible that there were two stretch goals, not one, that we didn't realize until just now.
Jyn Ryvia said:
Well, I've been thinking that we do 'create a liminal realm' on the same turn we drop the Orbs, then write the paper after that.

Because while we have the right to keep our secrets. Not telling anyone from the colleges, even our own, how to make Orbs of sorcery for years after we showed them off is definitely the kind of thing that stretches that understanding.
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Yeah. We can even write the first half of the book via Serenity on the same turn that we do the orbs and the realm research, and that way we'll have it finished the turn afterwards, meaning that there's only a short delay between "have some Orbs of Sorcery, bye nerds" and "hi nerds, here's the crazy awesome thing I've been working on for the last twelve-odd years."
 
picklepikkl said:
The issue is that it turns out we might not, actually, be finishing swords. This is what I was freaking out about a couple pages ago; it's possible that there were two stretch goals, not one, that we didn't realize until just now.

Yeah. We can even write the first half of the book via Serenity on the same turn that we do the orbs and the realm research, and that way we'll have it finished the turn afterwards, meaning that there's only a short delay between "have some Orbs of Sorcery, bye nerds" and "hi nerds, here's the crazy awesome thing I've been working on for the last twelve-odd years."
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Even if we are not actually done we will be one action shy. At that point we can take it and move on, it will either work even on a middling roll or it will fail and we just will not do that trick with the sword.
 
picklepikkl said:
Yeah. We can even write the first half of the book via Serenity on the same turn that we do the orbs and the realm research, and that way we'll have it finished the turn afterwards, meaning that there's only a short delay between "have some Orbs of Sorcery, bye nerds" and "hi nerds, here's the crazy awesome thing I've been working on for the last twelve-odd years."
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Nothing saying we need to give them the Morbs the same turn we make them, if delaying lets us give the book at the same time.
 
picklepikkl said:
That's part of what we recruited the Hochlander for: to be our understudy and assistant in running the intel network, and to be a trusted person we could hand the intel network over so it can still be used for Grey College-endorsed actions if we ever decided to. Lately the EIC has been a solution in search of a problem: we've managed to use its intel to good effect a few times in the last few turns, but mostly we've been using it as an economic and political lever. Which is great! I'm personally pretty pumped at the notion of helping normalize relations with Laurelorn via an expanded trade route. But it's not the thing it's really optimized for, and ultimately the question is whether the half-AP per turn is better used for something else.

My goal, like I said, is to get to a point where both the EIC and the library are fairly stable and have nothing really dramatic afoot, and then hand them off. Eike can take control of the EIC intel network from the Hochlander when she makes Magister or inherits the EIC itself from her grandmother, and hopefully for the library we can downgrade only slightly:
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personally i really like the EIC network because it just feels right. a grey wizard should have a spy network they control. also yes it hasn't helped us incredible much while we are doing research.
its not meant for research and when we do something else then research it can be invaluable. that it has been this helpful even with us going completely against its use-case shows how valuable it is.
 
LadySerpentine said:
Personally my ideal plan would probably be Plan Swordfall and Codifying, where we do the Sword and include the Windfall paper, but nobody's made that a plan yet and I'm not quite confident enough to make one of my own on my very first vote.
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Which action would you find acceptable to switch out?
- You want to keep the 2 sword actions, so those stay.
- RoW codifying and Capstone research are pretty firmly accepted among the thread, so arguing to remove one of those would be hard.
- that leaves either Stirland Tributaries or River Laylines to swap out. Which would you go for ?
 
picklepikkl said:
Yeah. We can even write the first half of the book via Serenity on the same turn that we do the orbs and the realm research, and that way we'll have it finished the turn afterwards, meaning that there's only a short delay between "have some Orbs of Sorcery, bye nerds" and "hi nerds, here's the crazy awesome thing I've been working on for the last twelve-odd years."
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I want to include Eike in the Orbs of Sorcery-making action.

Not because she'd be useful, but to engender a sense of wonder.

Give her the experience of watching us move a step into the unknown.
 
Also a future AV liminal realm research action would probably involve figuring out if powerstones and Morbs have any effect when creating liminal realms. The only time Mathilde will have 8 powerstones and Morbs is on the turn that she makes Morbs.
 
Imugi said:
Also a future AV liminal realm research action would probably involve figuring out if powerstones and Morbs have any effect when creating liminal realms. The only time Mathilde will have 8 powerstones and Morbs is on the turn that she makes Morbs.
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If we make them, they are ours.
They won't TAKE them away.

Though I suspect we'll be given good offer(s).
 
picklepikkl said:
For me, personally, I do want to do Windherding, it's just that Windfall took priority for me because we've got plenty of cool magical research to do, but the Windfall paper furthers Egrimm's character arc and develops Mathilde's relationship with him. That's a slam-dunk for me; ultimately, I think most of us are in this quest because we fell in love with the way Boney writes characters. The Windfall paper action isn't about the paper, it's about the responsibility that superiors have to their subordinates, the way that Egrimm is carrying trauma from someone who viewed him first and foremost as a resource to be exploited, and the way that Mathilde can offer him a better sort of relationship because she was fortunate enough to have three good bosses in a row (Regimand, Abelhelm, Belegar) and can model that sort of behavior in her own relationships with people working for her.

...fuck, I'm talking myself into supporting one of the Lore and Metal variants again. Sigh, I really am bummed about missing out on that action.
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The bolded bit is why I hold back a lot on jokes about Egrimm just 'writing the damm paper already', and I intend to quote your post here next turn if we don't do Windfall this turn, 'cuz I found it quite moving.

One thing though - It's probably too late to add it into this turn's Windfall plans because we can't assume everyone would agree with this - but I would like to have it explicitly written into the Windfall action that Egrimm is listed as primary author and Mathilde as secondary.
 
dinomannitro6 said:
Which action would you find acceptable to switch out?
- You want to keep the 2 sword actions, so those stay.
- RoW codifying and Capstone research are pretty firmly accepted among the thread, so arguing to remove one of those would be hard.
- that leaves either Stirland Tributaries or River Laylines to swap out. Which would you go for ?
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Personally I'd be much happier with the currently winning plan if the river action wasn't in it. Don't like it. Dhar in the river reeks of bad things to me.
 
picklepikkl said:
But it's not the thing it's really optimized for, and ultimately the question is whether the half-AP per turn is better used for something else.
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There's also the issue that people are very interested in doing the actions that set up institutional safeguards and not very interested in using it to gather information.

As an example, the current plans have 'set up charcoal trade', which the thread understands to be something that will use the road of way. But the rite of way isn't codified, the negotiations on building the road haven't started, and we've got no idea how much time and effort it's going to take to construct.

But we are doing this several turns in advance rather than putting agents in places that we know little about and seem to be gearing up for a struggle that will definitely impact us.

I think we'd be happier with the EIC results if we actually gave it actions that mattered to the rest of the turn.

Even the info on Alric was largely duplicative of what we got from the light order, but that's been the most directly useful thing we've had it do.

DragonParadox said:
As much as I have been talking down mapping it is as an action leagues ahead of sword training in terms of stuff that is interesting to read.
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Personal preference, but I like reading about swording. I know the subject so it appeals to me.
 
picklepikkl said:
Yeah. We can even write the first half of the book via Serenity on the same turn that we do the orbs and the realm research, and that way we'll have it finished the turn afterwards, meaning that there's only a short delay between "have some Orbs of Sorcery, bye nerds" and "hi nerds, here's the crazy awesome thing I've been working on for the last twelve-odd years."
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If we commit to apparition bind on turn 42 then we might be forced to do follow-up action on turn 43, remember? That makes it practically impossible to Morb and Realm.
It might be possible to do the liminal realm study on turn 44, in time for the second half of the book. IIRC Boney was asked if that was possible and said something like 'you can try, there'll be a roll to determine how much this messes up your writing process'.
BeepSmile said:
One thing though - It's probably too late to add it into this turn's Windfall plans because we can't assume everyone would agree with this - but I would like to have it explicitly written into the Windfall action that Egrimm is listed as primary author and Mathilde as secondary.
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Like all of us I worry deeply about Egrimm's mental state (cabal don't @ me) but I think there's a possibility no one is considering here: what if Egrimm is waiting for Mathilde to write the paper with him because he genuinely thinks that's the right thing to do?

Mathilde made it possible for Egrimm to be there to conduct his experiments in the first place, and more importantly Mathilde added her own Windsight observations to the study. Mathilde is renown for her sharp Windsight - and if he has access to some classified papers, for her insights on Dhar. Maybe Egrimm feels that not having Mathilde take an active part in writing the paper will do a disservice to both her and the paper, and if literal years pass and she doesn't have the time to write it, well, better wait until she does have the time than write a subpar paper and disrespect his friend and colleague.
 
Tobtorp said:
Personally I'd be much happier with the currently winning plan if the river action wasn't in it. Don't like it. Dhar in the river reeks of bad things to me.
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Personally the river thing is the only reason I'm voting for that plan. Dhar anywhere reeks of bad things, and why would a river leyline be more corruptible than a regular one?
 
K von Carstein said:
Personally the river thing is the only reason I'm voting for that plan. Dhar anywhere reeks of bad things, and why would a river leyline be more corruptible than a regular one?
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Because the rivers have spirits that can fuck up with Dhar and we have a example of a river Leylines going terribad nuclear style. I don't think it would happen again but i do think their inherently unsafer then packing the Dhar stream 10 feet underground.
 
pucflek said:
Its literally a juice strainer.

Eike does not have the context why this is incredible, its an enormously boring action and people can´t even look at it iirc.
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Eike will probably be able to feel the happenings. This will be tremendously powerful winds being crammed together in a room. It wouldn't surprise me if the middle of the room between the eight orbs is packed enough to make warp stone.
 
pucflek said:
Its literally a juice strainer.

Eike does not have the context why this is incredible, its an enormously boring action and people can´t even look at it iirc.
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"Two hundred years ago Teclis created a set of magical artefacts and gifted them to the colleges. They are very powerful and are key and irreplaceable weapons against the enemies of the Empire. Each one is a sacred treasure of the colleges, and no one has ever figured out how to create them... Until now."
 
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