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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Jyn Ryvia said:
and M&E for a much-needed Dip bonus, at least when we are on the initiative.
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Is this a confirmed mechanic? I don't recall it, or that topic, coming up before. We've gotten bonuses from having the civilization-specific topic, I believe, but I don't think there's a single topic that would cover diplomacy with everyone.

(Also, for making the tally work, you're going to want everything on one line, not in a plan vote style with subvotes. It breaks things.)
 
picklepikkl said:
Is this a confirmed mechanic? I don't recall it, or that topic, coming up before. We've gotten bonuses from having the civilization-specific topic, I believe, but I don't think there's a single topic that would cover diplomacy with everyone.

(Also, for making the tally work, you're going to want everything on one line, not in a plan vote style with subvotes. It breaks things.)
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no idea, but it doesn't seem to fall under of what usually happens, we get to use book + as long as we are planning something and so have time.

and M&Es has been a long-time topic of books, some of the oldest.
 
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Just to clear this up, @Boney is Manners and Etiquette even a legitimate topic (as opposed to being included in books about the relevant culture), and if so, when would its bonuses be applied?
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
yes, its not going to max Druchi to +7, but +5 is not a lot worse. (Im aware that because I said that the roll will fail by 2.)
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Why not go for a +6?
So as to fail the roll by 1.
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Edit: After all, choosing to go one less than 'all out', and having the failure be by that '1' would hurt so much more.
 
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Dealing in Ithilmar would be a way to get the support of some of the more militant houses. Also it can't be said that we would be weakening the Empire militarily if we involve the Gold Order in the deal since gold is just as military useful for the Order as Ithilmar is.
 
StormySky said:
Just to clear this up, @Boney is Manners and Etiquette even a legitimate topic (as opposed to being included in books about the relevant culture), and if so, when would its bonuses be applied?
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I have difficulty imagining it being useful/written as a separate topic in its own right considering the number and complexity of differing cultures, and feel it is likely that it would be folded any given group's set of books.

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Imugi said:
Dealing in Ithilmar would be a way to get the support of some of the more militant houses. Also it can't be said that we would be weakening the Empire militarily if we involve the Gold Order in the deal since gold is just as military useful for the Order as Ithilmar is.
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The argument was never that we would be weakening the empire, the empire doesn't use ilthimar for anything so wouldn't be weakend by it's loss.

The argument was that strengthening a military power bordering the empire that had a military conflict with parts of the empire not 3 decades ago is a bad look for one of the eight orders generally.
 
BeepSmile said:
I have difficult imagining it being useful/written as a separate topic in its own right considering the number and complexity of differing cultures, and feel it is likely that it would be folded any given group's set of books.

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I don't think it would be a universal thing. Manners (Imperial) would probably help with Imperials and so on.
 
Imugi said:
Dealing in Ithilmar would be a way to get the support of some of the more militant houses. Also it can't be said that we would be weakening the Empire militarily if we involve the Gold Order in the deal since gold is just as military useful for the Order as Ithilmar is.
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As a one time deal we could probably use it for a little bit of support, maybe actively favor trade with it for one thing, but it wouldn't really get any sort of active buy-in where backing out of things afterward would leave the worse off in any way.
 
DragonParadox said:
1. I don't think it would be a universal thing. 2. Manners (Imperial) would probably help with Imperials and so on.
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1. Yeah, that's why I don't feel we can get a 'M & E' category, but instead believe that 2. any books about a given culture's 'M & E' are already included/below our level of abstraction.

AND NOW TWO BABY OTTERS ARE SNUGGLING IN!
 
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Imugi said:
Dealing in Ithilmar would be a way to get the support of some of the more militant houses. Also it can't be said that we would be weakening the Empire militarily if we involve the Gold Order in the deal since gold is just as military useful for the Order as Ithilmar is.
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The big problem with the Ithilmar trade is that it makes Mathilde stupidly rich by selling weapons to a sort-of-allied-sort-of-hostile foreign nation, and whilst that isn't a direct violation of the Vow of Poverty (because she'd be spending the money in "direct and practical use to her cause"), it's close enough to skirt the line to make a lot of people uncomfortable and put Mathilde under some unwanted scrutiny in regards to her finances and the EIC.

Personally I think it's something we can weather, but the whole Eonir situation is very delicate so it's definitely something to be done cautiously.
 
BeepSmile said:
1. Yeah, that's why I don't feel we can get a 'M & E' category, but instead believe that 2. any books about a given culture's 'M & E' are already included/bleow our leve of abstraction.

AND NOW TWO BABY OTTERS ARE SNUGGLING IN!
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That does make sense, though I would not be upset or surprised if the 50 books on manners for the nobility were not included in general imperial books and you did in fact have to buy them separately
 
DragonParadox said:
That does make sense, though I would not be upset or surprised if the 50 books on manners for the nobility were not included in general imperial books and you did in fact have to buy them separately
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Actually i think we might have at least a bit of that already as training. We are of the grey's and if any order would have etiquette lessons it would be the lights and the grey's (maybe the celestials because they deal lots with them).
 
As far as I remember, books bonus on rolls means that Mathilde picks useful information from them when working on something, not that she reads and memorises every book bought?

So I'm not sure books on etiquette would help in this regard, because if you are attending a party right now, you can't exactly leave it to read up how to act. That's something you have to learn, or better train, beforehand.
 
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Purchase round votes. I will edit approval votes in as it makes sense to do so.

[X] [LIBRARY] Barak Varr booksellers: Metallurgy, Bretonnia, Athel Loren

Gives us bonuses for Metallurgy for Capstone research, plus Bretonnia and Athel Loren topics so that if we do research in that area of the world we won't be completely ignorant.

[X] [PURCHASE] Druuchi: Imperial Extensive (100gc)

Spends a relatively small amount (half our turn income) to just start the library section and get some basic background on them. If we're lucky, a Backfill action will get us the rest of the way, later on.

[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.

Nothing to grab here.
 
Seconded.


[X] [LIBRARY] Barak Varr booksellers: Metallurgy, Bretonnia, Athel Loren
[X] [PURCHASE] Druuchi: Imperial Extensive (100gc)
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.
 
Accounts from escaped slaves or Drucchi defectors might be one of the ways to get true insight into the culture but I wonder if any of those even exist (and who would sell them to us)...
 
[X] [LIBRARY] Barak Varr booksellers: Metallurgy, Bretonnia, Athel Loren
[X] [PURCHASE] Druuchi: Imperial Extensive (100gc)
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.
 
[X] [LIBRARY] Barak Varr booksellers: Metallurgy, Bretonnia, Athel Loren
[X] [PURCHASE] Druuchi: Imperial Extensive (100gc)
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.
 
[X] [LIBRARY] Barak Varr booksellers: Metallurgy, Bretonnia, Athel Loren
[X] [PURCHASE] Druuchi: Imperial Extensive (100gc)
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.
 
[X] [LIBRARY] Back-fill : War and combat

I'd suggest going for war and combat as a backfill purchase. Combat might help with putting the finishing touches on our sword style and knowing more about combat, tactics and strategy is almost certain to be useful to Mathilde almost every turn.

Nevermind the fact that it's also a subject that very much benefits the residents of K8P and our allies in general.
 
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