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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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So, there was a cult of corruption at the highest levels in Marienburg, just as there had been in the Empire until Abelhelm's little book and two Gray Wizards took care of it. The parallels are very interesting; Chaos trying to make inroads and prepare the way for their Everchosen to come receive Marienburg with ease after it was betrayed from within? And that does seem like a frontrunner suspect for the mining, which makes me feel really good about our decision nearly three years ago (in realtime) to return a verdict of No Verdict Reachable From Current Evidence. "Marienburg, except not Marienburg" would be a very difficult row to hoe, with angry Dwarves.
Also, Max is adorkable.
Also, Max is adorkable.
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Well not every apprentice can be an Eike.
We shouldn't base the education of this apprentice on spite, and it's Panoramias job anyways. It's not even clear that magical addiction is a curable affliction , and the Jade order would be happy if she's reigned in as long as Panoramia discredits her thesis on the way, that's a win-win for them. And she already found a way she is happy with. Her backstory is also pretty close, but not matching with another known canon wizard, so Boney gave us another thing to he paranoid about.
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deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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Lahmian conspiracy, not a cult.
Asheram
Not quite altogether
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Aaargh... And Panoramia can't take her back to VAU, since the nexus of Waystones would be like locking an alcoholic in a wine cellar. To be frank, I almost think Pan should come with us to the Eonir. They might be able to help instill some discipline into her new apprentice.
Also, one of the major houses of Marienburg hosting a pleasure cult? I'm very pleased that the others exterminated it root and stem, along with calling us in to act emissary to the Dawi, just in case.
Also, one of the major houses of Marienburg hosting a pleasure cult? I'm very pleased that the others exterminated it root and stem, along with calling us in to act emissary to the Dawi, just in case.
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Which one is that?
I mean the way you inflict the maximum amount of humiliation on the people on people who handed you a seemingly impossible conundrum is to solve the problem so I'm not seeing the contradiction. Also these people literally handed his kid off to a new magister as a political sop, it is not like they do not deserve to be humiliated and deposed if they are going to misuse their authority like that.
That said you are right, this is not our decision to make, but if Panoramia decides to make this a fight (keeping in mind that this is something she legitimately believes) I say we use our considerable resources to help.
Travler66
Let her name echo in song!
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So, anyone who's played Vermintide would understand who this is.
Long story short, Sofia is the sister of Sienna, the Bright Wizard PC. She became a necromancer through unknown means and is an enemy in the game.
It seems our efforts in Stirland have prevented Sofia from becoming a Necromancer.
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The Lahmian conspiracy was leading people to worship proscribed gods and conduct illegal rituals in order to manipulate them and use them as catspaws for controlling the highest echelons of government. I know it wasn't a cult in the sense of being directly inspired by Chaos, but it nonetheless is a serious parallel. And it's possible that the Lahmians just jumped ship and tried their hand again at corrupting a different polity, after Plan A failed, using the same playbook.
Asheram
Not quite altogether
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And it's fitting since we're working on what's effectively magical anthropology.
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
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Sofia fuegonasus, an antagonist from vermintide 2
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Got really hyped when I see saw this update.
Feel like the priests of Vaul probably have some pretty great insights on combining magic and metal, but that's probably all cult secrets so Max will have a hard time getting at it. Also the impression I have is that his goal is less about enchanting, and more about making really good mundane things. Really good mundane things are probably pretty good for enchantment though.
Good on Marienburg for using sunlight as a disenfectant, though if the cult went down because they were fighting someone then who was that? Figure there's still something rotten in that city.
Being a suspect apprentice to someone whose girlfriend is a grey magister lord has got to be terrifying.
Feel like the priests of Vaul probably have some pretty great insights on combining magic and metal, but that's probably all cult secrets so Max will have a hard time getting at it. Also the impression I have is that his goal is less about enchanting, and more about making really good mundane things. Really good mundane things are probably pretty good for enchantment though.
Good on Marienburg for using sunlight as a disenfectant, though if the cult went down because they were fighting someone then who was that? Figure there's still something rotten in that city.
Being a suspect apprentice to someone whose girlfriend is a grey magister lord has got to be terrifying.
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Spy training for Eike get
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This seems like a pretty lazy refutation on the Colleges part. "Oh, so you worship sigmar do you? Then rehabilitate this zealot who burned 13 orphans at the stake! How about worshiping sigmar now?!"
A core tenant of Ghyran worship presumably isn't constant Ghyran usage, even when self destructive. If Panoramia teaches her student well, that's more than enough as a "counterargument".
A core tenant of Ghyran worship presumably isn't constant Ghyran usage, even when self destructive. If Panoramia teaches her student well, that's more than enough as a "counterargument".
For Marienburg; the obvious suspicion to raise is "So... was this the Slaaneshi losing in the Great Game to probably-Tzeentchian or probably-Undivided rivals?"
This could be the end of the machinations and corruption in Marienburg. Or it could be a successful blow by an Everchosen candidate, possibly the former-Stirland-spymaster guy that some poster posited as being responsible for all this.
As for the religious aspect... I dunno if going "Guys, you're not worshipping a god and you shouldn't be diving into ancient history to try to figure out the truth; obviously, you're just worshipping Ghyran!" is a great approach. Imagine if somebody tried to tell some of the Ranaldian Hedgewise or the Ranaldian Grey Order, centuries after things got confusing, "Obviously you guys are just worshipping Ulgu."
The point being, is that people can get touchy about their religion and their beliefs. And trying to find another standard can just get you from 13 competing standards to 14 competing standards, as that XKCD comic goes. Panoramia's fed up with the religious stuff she had to deal with, and wants to do things her own way. A more agnostic way. But others want to hold to their faiths and to try to rebuild them if possible; that's not wrong either.
And for the Jade Order apprentice... ... I wonder if Sofia decided to dive into the Jade Wind because she was in Fucking Sylvania and possibly-captured by Fucking Necromancers? I wonder if she's taking refuge in the Green Wind because it's so unlike Sylvania and so unlike Necromancy?
It's also possible that the Apprentice isn't just a poison pill like Mathilde immediately suspects (Mathilde is a suspicious Grey Wizard, and also biased in the matter). It could also be a way to test or challenge Panoramia. A way for her to prove her bonafides. I mean, if her philosophy is good enough to get results and salvage and promote an Apprentice, then that would be great for the Colleges of Magic! ... It's also possible that they just threw their hands up about the Apprentice and went "Okay, we don't really have any good ideas for this kid, so... why not try an unorthodox idea? Let's give her to Panoramia; maybe this Wizard with weird heterodox ideas about Ghyranic faith might have a solution."
This could be the end of the machinations and corruption in Marienburg. Or it could be a successful blow by an Everchosen candidate, possibly the former-Stirland-spymaster guy that some poster posited as being responsible for all this.
As for the religious aspect... I dunno if going "Guys, you're not worshipping a god and you shouldn't be diving into ancient history to try to figure out the truth; obviously, you're just worshipping Ghyran!" is a great approach. Imagine if somebody tried to tell some of the Ranaldian Hedgewise or the Ranaldian Grey Order, centuries after things got confusing, "Obviously you guys are just worshipping Ulgu."
The point being, is that people can get touchy about their religion and their beliefs. And trying to find another standard can just get you from 13 competing standards to 14 competing standards, as that XKCD comic goes. Panoramia's fed up with the religious stuff she had to deal with, and wants to do things her own way. A more agnostic way. But others want to hold to their faiths and to try to rebuild them if possible; that's not wrong either.
And for the Jade Order apprentice... ... I wonder if Sofia decided to dive into the Jade Wind because she was in Fucking Sylvania and possibly-captured by Fucking Necromancers? I wonder if she's taking refuge in the Green Wind because it's so unlike Sylvania and so unlike Necromancy?
It's also possible that the Apprentice isn't just a poison pill like Mathilde immediately suspects (Mathilde is a suspicious Grey Wizard, and also biased in the matter). It could also be a way to test or challenge Panoramia. A way for her to prove her bonafides. I mean, if her philosophy is good enough to get results and salvage and promote an Apprentice, then that would be great for the Colleges of Magic! ... It's also possible that they just threw their hands up about the Apprentice and went "Okay, we don't really have any good ideas for this kid, so... why not try an unorthodox idea? Let's give her to Panoramia; maybe this Wizard with weird heterodox ideas about Ghyranic faith might have a solution."
Asheram
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Well, we're the best option to come to. The only thing Panoramia has to lose is a bit of reputation amongst the Jades since they deliberately saddled her with a suspect Journeyman.
The best thing that could happen to her would be if the Journeyman was investigated and it turned out that she was a cultist. Pan could then point a finger at the elders and ask them if they knew all along that she was a cultist (something extremely against the law) or if they just were too incompetent to see it.
Yes, but being fair the entire argument is intellectually vacuous from any utilitarian perspective. Whether the gods originate in the Aethyr or not you can know them by their works in the material well enough to be getting on with and conversely even though life is knowable, it is not known. What is it that lives in the depths of the Great Ocean? Is it any closer to the sight of the Orders of Magic than the depths of the Warp.
Panaoramia is wrong, but harmlessly so, the people who handed her that apprentice are wrong and irresponsible with the lives of others while also being old enough to know better
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Eh I'm not sure if the Hekartians would really help Panoramia here. They very specifically see any magic casting as worship/tangling with Hekarti, a personified entity. Doesn't seem like it really jives with the agnostic thing Panoramia is trying to go with
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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Were they? I don't remember them being about leading people to chaos rather than just manipulating imperial governance directly through their influence over the Empress.
Fuegonasus is possibly not their actual last name, considering it means fire nose.
That's a really good point. Mathilde's professional deformation makes her suspect everyone, but the Jade College may not be operating in bad faith.
This could be given to Panoramia as an opportunity to prove that her proposal has potential, rather than a poison pill to discredit her.