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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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-Went to Nagarythe expecting a nice relaxing time repelling Druchi raiders and fighting for my life.
-Accidentally ended up being there when Malekith attacked and was a key part of sending him Blasting Off Again.
-Coin: The Protector
Only way I can see bœk coming from Elfcation, and I think the favor we'd theoretically get from that would have other uses that may be more popular :V
 
Now I'm wondering what kind of protector powered boons we'd get if we, through an unending series of criticals or something, managed to permakill Malekith.

Obviously not a realistic or maybe even possible scenario, but interesting to think about.
 
Burned_Cookie said:
Now I'm wondering what kind of protector powered boons we'd get if we, through an unending series of criticals or something, managed to permakill Malekith.

Obviously not a realistic or maybe even possible scenario, but interesting to think about.
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Given that we are technically a dwarf as far as the Karaz Ankor are concerned... that might be how you get the elves to settle on War of the Beard reparations the dwarfs would accept, enough so that we could have an alliance again, which would go a long way to fixing the setting,
 
DragonParadox said:
I do not think all magic books are limited anymore, just things of military relevance. Sadly waystones fit in the latter category as well.
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I just remembered, Boney confirmed some time ago that the Eonir would share their books on Beastman Wild Magic, since our mutual enmity against Beastmen was what the alliance with Middenland was based on. It's directly of benefit to them for us to know more about their main enemies' magical capacities.
 
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Parabola said:
I just remembered, Boney confirmed some time ago that the Eonir would share their books on Beastman Wild Magic, since our mutual enmity against Beastmen was what the alliance with Middenland was based on. It's directly of benefit to them for us to know more about their main enemies' magical capacities.
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Good catch, I'm sure he colleges would love those, but for now I think we should grab those metallurgy books with a Library purchase which would get something like this:

[] Plan Metal, Mummies and More
[ ] [LIBRARY] Barak Varr booksellers: Metallurgy; Nehekara; Ethics
[ ] [PURCHASE] Metallurgy Bretonian Extensive
  1. Get those Metalurgy books to max, including a purchase of 100 gold that still leaves us with more money coming out of the turn than going in
  2. Grab books on Nehekara because we might be poking their waystones soon-ish
  3. Ethics for Eike, this is a bit of a placeholder since I do not think we have any urgent need of it, but I am also not sure what else we need. Suggestions are welcome
I guess push come to shove we could take something like Physics on the logic that we will poke the sword in some way , but we know what super-cavitation is OOC and IC a good roll on that action is likely 1 CF off from a bad roll. It does not seem to be worth the price. At least with ethics we might reuse the books if Eike has more questions.
 
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Parabola said:
I just remembered, Boney confirmed some time ago that the Eonir would share their books on Beastman Wild Magic, since our mutual enmity against Beastmen was what the alliance with Middenland was based on. It's directly of benefit to them for us to know more about their main enemies' magical capacities.
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We should probably get Everything they have on beastmen. It's very valuable information for the Empire and a nice thing to bring to negociations with other libraries. And while we haven't encountered beastmen too much outside of Skaven, it's bound to be coming soon.

DragonParadox said:
Ethics for Eike, this is a bit of a placeholder since I do not think we have any urgent need of it, but I am also not sure what else we need. Suggestions are welcome.
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I love Ethics to be honest, not only for Eike, but mostly for the We. Any single being as powerful as the We is worth tutoring in matters of ethics.
 
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DragonParadox said:
Given that we are technically a dwarf as far as the Karaz Ankor are concerned... that might be how you get the elves to settle on War of the Beard reparations the dwarfs would accept, enough so that we could have an alliance again, which would go a long way to fixing the setting,
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The best way for that to happen would be for us to be crowned Phoenix King and then ask Thorgrim for the Phoenix crown back*, and the only way we can become Phoenix King is if Ranald is Asuryan and Protects us from the flames.

So it's basically inevitable.

*(which I believe is actually available as an artefact to research as long as we don't take it out of the vault)

Parabola said:
I just remembered, Boney confirmed some time ago that the Eonir would share their books on Beastman Wild Magic, since our mutual enmity against Beastmen was what the alliance with Middenland was based on. It's directly of benefit to them for us to know more about their main enemies' magical capacities.
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That's pretty much the same reason why Middenland gave the Eonir the Waaaghbane paper we wrote.
 
DragonParadox said:
Good catch, I'm sure he colleges would love those, but for now I think we should grab those metallurgy books with a Library purchase which would get something like this:

[] Plan Metal, Mummies and More
[ ] [LIBRARY] Barak Varr booksellers: Metallurgy; Nehekara; Ethics
[ ] [PURCHASE] Metallurgy Bretonian Extensive
  1. Get those Metalurgy books to max, including a purchase of 100 gold that still leaves us with more money coming out of the turn than going in
  2. Grab books on Nehekara because we might be poking their waystones soon-ish
  3. Ethics for Eike, this is a bit of a placeholder since I do not think we have any urgent need of it, but I am also not sure what else we need. Suggestions are welcome
I guess push come to shove we could take something like Physics on the logic that we will poke the sword in some way , but we know what super-cavitation is OOC and IC a good roll on that action is likely 1 CF off from a bad roll. It does not seem to be worth the price. At least with ethics we might reuse the books if Eike has more questions.
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Most of the time we pick books based on what it is we're going to need immediately, and the Capstone is practically guaranteed, and we've been pushing for getting Metallurgy books for a few turns now, so I'm all for those, but I'm not sure about the others.

I agree that we'll poke Nehekhara at some point/write the coin books/get some context on what the Scrolls of Zandri say, but none of those are very immediate - I've seen a lot more people suggesting books on Bretonnia given that we were thinking of mapping out their network, or poking their Iron Orcs problem, or recruiting a Damsel. Or possibly books on Athel Loren given that we know they have their own network.

We've also seen people considering books on Strygos (both the Empire and the Dwarves have books on them) or Tylos (Dwarven and Tylean books - Empire books exist on it derive their knowledge from translated Tylean texts).

Comparatively, Ethics would be neat and cover a hole in our library but not immediately useful.

So for me it's one of these two:
[ ] [LIBRARY] Barak Varr booksellers: Metallurgy, The Kingdom of Bretonnia, Strygos
[ ] [LIBRARY] Barak Varr booksellers: Metallurgy, The Kingdom of Bretonnia, Nehekhara


For out-of-pocket things, I'm inclined towards a pair Druchii books, because getting them via Barak Varr is inefficient - the best way to get them is either like this or via Backfill.
[ ] [PURCHASE] Druchii (Imperial Extensive)
 
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Codex said:
There are two Flaming Swords of Rhuin, as part of a tradition with the Army Books and RPG. The RPG basically took the Army Book Battle Magic spells, downscaled them, and maintained their name to add them to the RPG. Wheras Flaming Sword is a Battle Magic spell that makes an entire unit's weapons glow with flame, the RPG spell does this:

"A fiery sword materializes in your grasp. It counts as a magic weapon with the Impact quality and Damage 4. You also gain +1 to your Attacks Characteristic for the duration of this spell, but only when using the flaming sword of Rhuin. The spell remains in effect for a number of rounds equal to your Magic Characteristic. You can retain it with a successful Will Power Test each round thereafter." Realms of Sorcery 2E Page 148

Typical Fire Mage stuff. It's not noted as being particularly large, just a sword of flame. It's a pretty good weapon, but it has a very short duration in the RAW.
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There's also the third version of Flaming Sword of Rhuin that shows up in the fourth edition of the RPG. It's truer to the function of the wargame's version in that it lights a sword on fire to make it hit harder, though it's different in that it only works on swords and doesn't have near the capability to enchant an entire unit's weapons.
 
Regarding book acquisition: I'm definitely into doing a Barak Varr acquisition with Metallurgy. The other two choices I'm pretty unsure about, but Bretonnia does seem like a good one.

Also, on a library-related note: it's been brought up before that we could use the Transcended Boon from Karak Vlag to get them to kit out our library with Runes.

I assume we could also use our Boon to instead get their books, though.

How do you all feel about either of those options?
 
I'd like to spend 50 gc on the first level of Bretonnian books on the Druchii, just so we have any amount of reference material at all on them.

LadyLynn said:
How do you all feel about either of those options?
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Vlag's runesmithing is rudimentary so not much value there. Their books would be good but we can set up a sharing agreement for that, don't need to spend the boon on it.
 
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LadyLynn said:
Regarding book acquisition: I'm definitely into doing a Barak Varr acquisition with Metallurgy. The other two choices I'm pretty unsure about, but Bretonnia does seem like a good one.

Also, on a library-related note: it's been brought up before that we could use the Transcended Boon from Karak Vlag to get them to kit out our library with Runes.

I assume we could also use our Boon to instead get their books, though.

How do you all feel about either of those options?
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I don't think we'd need the Boon to get their books. Well, like, maybe their books on restricted guild-only topics, but do we want those? The main appeal of Karak Vlag's library is their human books from the Fire Spire, which I assume they'd be willing to just... trade with us if we took the normal "[ ] Seek an exchange arrangement with another Library or a Karak's archives to be able to make copies of their corpus" action.

(I also like trading with them because it would be a way of giving them lots of useful dwarf knowledge from the past few hundred years, or things they may have lost, based on what is in our library in Khazalid, in a way that doesn't shame them. We have lots of dwarf books they might legitimately want, and so being like "your stuff is valuable to us, I bet our stuff is valuable to you" would probably work out fine without needing to spend a Boon.)

If Druchii win I'm not interested in buying as many books about them as I would be if they end up in sixth place and we social them next turn, but I'd probably support 100gc worth of purchase just so we have Literally Anything about them.

Library vote wise, I am pretty locked on Barak Varr and on Metallurgy and Bretonnia as two of the topics, but am open to a lot of thirds -- Athel Loren? Nehekhara? Tylos or Strygos? Something else entirely? Lots of options.
 
Andres said:
Vlag's runesmithing is rudimentary so not much value there.
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Iirc, there was a mention that they'd be well suited to say, setting up massive amounts of preservation runes, because Vlag just has so many Runesmiths, even if it's rudimentary.

I'm having a bit of trouble finding the relevant Boney post, though.
 
LadyLynn said:
Iirc, there was a mention that they'd be well suited to say, setting up massive amounts of preservation runes, because Vlag just has so many Runesmiths, even if it's rudimentary.

I'm having a bit of trouble finding the relevant Boney post, though.
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My friend, have I ever let you down?

(Probably. Don't bring it up. I'm very sensitive.)
Codex said:
I also believe that "preservation runes" were mentioned, and I was curious on how they worked. Since most written material is done on animal skin like parchment, perhaps those preservation runes are kind of like stasis runes that slow down decay. The Dwarves have also shown the ability to create runes that allow a speaking individual to transcribe their words to text. Sure it only works like Khazalid, but it seems like that's the kind of thing that would make copying their books insanely easy right? Create a Rune that copies the words of one book to another?

It sure would make the Khazalid section of the library stress free. If the runes worked like that. I might be totally off-base here.
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Boney said:
A large-scale deployment of this sort of thing would require either a single large-scale and extremely difficult Runic array, or a lot of individual Runesmiths who don't mind mass-producing Runes, so that would require a KAU action to either recruit a Runelord or bring in Vlag once the library is up and running.
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This seems like it might not take the Transcendent Boon, though, it would just take one to do it for free.
 
Personally i don't think vlag would just trade the books with us. Their not theirs to trade (if they have them). If they have the books then that's because their in a vault which was started by the firespire. And iirc vlag is trying to find legal heirs to the stuff they have in their vaults. So we probably need the boon to overwrite the he ingrained "it's not ours to give." Response.
 
WFRP 4e: Archives of the Empire 3, page 60
In Averland, hedge witches are thought to arise from the rites practised by Brigundian priest-kings; in Nordland and Ostland, there is evidence to suggest that the worship of a nearly forgotten goddess, Halétha the Guardian, gave rise to the customs local hedge witches follow; in nearby Middenland, a divine 'Chieftain of Cats', presumed by many to be an antecedent of Ranald, is credited as a divine progenitor; and in Wissenland, folk have come to believe that hedge witches were inspired by Verena, who blessed them with a gift of wisdom and arcane knowledge.
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This Chieftain of Cats reminds me of the Prince of Cats that's mentioned to exist in Age of Sigmar.
 
Tobtorp said:
Personally i don't think vlag would just trade the books with us. Their not theirs to trade (if they have them). If they have the books then that's because their in a vault which was started by the firespire. And iirc vlag is trying to find legal heirs to the stuff they have in their vaults. So we probably need the boon to overwrite the he ingrained "it's not ours to give." Response.
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We aren't asking for the books, we're asking to be allowed to copy the books. Given the legal limbo, I doubt that'd be a problem.
 
Dawi of Vlag after the book exchange and rune-ing the library: cash sure is novel, but we want to do something to repay you for everything you did for us
Mathilde:
Mathilde: oh yeah I saved you guys from the warp.... Good times.
 
Parabola said:
I just remembered, Boney confirmed some time ago that the Eonir would share their books on Beastman Wild Magic, since our mutual enmity against Beastmen was what the alliance with Middenland was based on. It's directly of benefit to them for us to know more about their main enemies' magical capacities.
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Boney said:
You could. It would count as a magical topic for just about anyone else, but the Eonir treat it them as mundane.
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Forest Spirits is also a magical topic we can copy from the Library of Mournings because the Eonir treat the topic as mundane.
 
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