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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Nix's Warden said:
If we want a Rune'd Sword doesn't the Runes have to be applied to the weapon while its being forged?


And if not, if we get Maximilian to forge us a sword that will obviously be magical, I don't think we can stack Runes on top of that without fucking up the enchantment that was already there.
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If Maximilian is creating our sword for us, it isn't going to be a rune sword. It's going to be a really good sword, but it's not going to be a runed weapon.
 
noliar said:
Except it's raw iron that's the preferred choice for earthing. Hence us having iron strips down the wooden legs our our lab bench. A shortsword length earthing rod worn on our waist goes with whatever large object loadout we choose.

You are confusing earthing - using iron - with +1 magic - done with material that aligns with our wind (probably wood). While a wizard can use their staff for emergency earthing, that is not it's main benefit and not what it's optimised for. A steel greatsword is better for earthing than a wooden axe handle. Also BoneyM said that if we want a +1 magic staff with weapon head we'll be forging the head ourself so no Dawi rune axe there.
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... Mate, take a step back and think of why, exactly, I'm suggesting using a highly conductive material to earth a discharge.

You are also trying to contradict WoG, I've quoted it a couple posts bellow the one you quoted..

I'm far more interested in a weapon which we can use to both murder and cast our strongest spells, because the issue with the latter isn't power, it's not dying when you fuck up.

A weapon which suffers nothing in its primary function of killing things by having an anti-miscast component attached, because it's naturally a two-piece construction and the weapon itself and grounding magic are the things the dwarves are best at, is far more interesting than a clunky +1 staff with an axe head. It's more interesting than juggling a runed greatsword kissed which we know for a fact would be less of a weapon than a runed axe, and an Earthing Rod (which breaks, btw).
 
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Thor's Twin said:
If Maximilian is creating our sword for us, it isn't going to be a rune sword. It's going to be a really good sword, but it's not going to be a runed weapon.
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That's my problem tho. I want a Runed Weapon. If Maximillion can't give us that, then I'm fine learning to use a Axe, and commissioning Kragg to make us another master piece.
 
spiritualatheist said:
Learning new weapons does boost our martial tho. Although I do agree that there is an opportunity cost. I'm mostly pushing for this because I want another Belt-Tier item.
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Then ask for a smaller weapon that we don't need to give up the greatsword for. A combination grounding rod and smallish axe is reasonable, something like a ciupaga:

It works well with some of the specialties of dwarves, specifically axes and anti-magic effects, and is essentially a walking stick with an axe head. That seems like a good choice as a way to make a more killy version of a grounding rod without having to drop any of our current equipment. A small axe/rod on one hip, a gun on the other, and a massive sword on our back.
 
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Instead of trying to get a melee weapon to pull double duty I want to get a walking cane to put the vampire's skull on. It's fashionable, portable and you can rap journeymen over the head with it.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
... Mate, take a step back and think of why, exactly, I'm suggesting using a highly conductive material to earth a discharge.

You are also trying to contradict WoG, I've quoted it a couple posts bellow the one you quoted..

I'm far more interested in a weapon which we can use to both murder and cast our strongest spells, because the issue with the latter isn't power, it's not dying when you fuck up.
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I believe the point that's being made is that metal is better for grounding, wood is better for being a staff. Which IIRC is canon. Wood is not the choice for an earthing rod.
 
[X] Write a series of papers on the magical phenomena you witnessed. Or better yet, get your Journeymanlings to do the actual writing.
 
Checking this Mathilde is about 28-29ish.

Is her current track record/progression normal by Imperial Wizard standards?

In more general terms mind, is she especially young by Magister standards.
 
Kornet said:
On one hand, snekjuice, the great mystery which baffled us for years IC and a year OOC. On another hand, learning another weapon.

Gee, what will I choose.
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You're sort of missing the point. Arguing something will take multiple actions isn't a great argument. People will still want to do stuff. Especially as not every action needs to be taken one after another, even if they're linked actions.

Doomed Wombat said:
Checking this Mathilde is about 28-29ish.

Is her current track record/progression normal by Imperial Wizard standards?

In more general terms mind, is she especially young by Magister standards.
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Younger than most I believe, yes. Not prodigy level, but skilled and experienced beyond most her age.
 
Thor's Twin said:
Or we can wait until Maximilian is trained by his new acquaintance. That way he can forge us a good proper Greatsword and we don't need to spend favors on it. It will mean waiting a bit before a killy weapon though.
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Mr Apollo said:
I just want a staff, a boring, regular old staff. Keep your overly thought out min-maxed monstrosities. There is no need to reinvent the wheel.
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Yeah, i'm pretty sympathetic to these arguments, especially the former. I dont think we need a belt-tier sword, and i personally like the narrative opportunities from networking with max for a free sword, even if a lesser enchant. If we're not going with standard staff (and i don't remember what the word of QM is on how feasible carrying staff and greatsword is), then if we're burning favor on a channeling object, if anything i'd like to go with 'burn some dwarf favors on a unique channeling boost like QM mentioned was possible in the pre-belt discussion', where we find out how a Runesmith's ideas of channeling aids differ from a manling wizard.

But yeah, i'd prefer to spend dwarf favors on stuff like setting up/getting access to new gyrocopter routes; i'd have to find the QM quote but i believe we were told we could have options to hitch a ride on existing routesfor cheap, or else amore expensive fee to either set up a K8P -> Stirland gyrocopter route that we can use when needed, or even have our own copter+pilot on staff.


Doomed Wombat said:
Checking this Mathilde is about 28-29ish.

Is her current track record/progression normal by Imperial Wizard standards?

In more general terms mind, is she especially young by Magister standards.
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I'm not at all an expert on Warhammer, but my understanding from QM posts and other discussion is that she's certainly going quicker than normal, but not 'once in a lifetime/never seen in history' levels; BoneyM is ignoring some slightly contradictory lore about 'no journeymen before late twenties' in favor of 'apprentices can start as early as 10' and 'apprenticeships ~10 years', which is more or less mathilde's pre quest history. Her journey to magister was pretty rapid to my knowledge though, yeah, especially combined with that early start on magic and thus everything else.
 
Doomed Wombat said:
Checking this Mathilde is about 28-29ish.

Is her current track record/progression normal by Imperial Wizard standards?

In more general terms mind, is she especially young by Magister standards.
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So what I have been told before she is on the younger side for being a magister but she also started earlier than most others. She is doing well on the ladder climb but nothing that really raises eyebrows.
 
deathofrats0808 said:
Younger than most I believe, yes. Not prodigy level, but skilled and experienced beyond most her age.
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Abby Normal said:
I'm not at all an expert on Warhammer, but my understanding from QM posts and other discussion is that she's certainly going quicker than normal, but not 'once in a lifetime/never seen in history' levels; BoneyM is ignoring some slightly contradictory lore about 'no journeymen before late twenties' in favor of 'apprentices can start as early as 10' and 'apprenticeships ~10 years', which is more or less mathilde's pre quest history. Her journey to magister was pretty rapid to my knowledge though, yeah, especially combined with that early start on magic and thus everything else.
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Neshuakadal said:
So what I have been told before she is on the younger side for being a magister but she also started earlier than most others. She is doing well on the ladder climb but nothing that really raises eyebrows.
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For the best really since off the top of my head the two prodigies of the Colleges I can think of one turned out to be a traitor and the other is Gelt the bastard.

Abby Normal said:
Yeah, i'm pretty sympathetic to these arguments, especially the former. I dont think we need a belt-tier sword, and i personally like the narrative opportunities from networking with max for a free sword, even if a lesser enchant. If we're not going with standard staff (and i don't remember what the word of QM is on how feasible carrying staff and greatsword is), then if we're burning favor on a channeling object, if anything i'd like to go with 'burn some dwarf favors on a unique channeling boost like QM mentioned was possible in the pre-belt discussion', where we find out how a Runesmith's ideas of channeling aids differ from a manling wizard.
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To give my own two cents on the subject we could aways have Max make us a sword and then enchant it ourselves since that's a thing we can do.

Maybe we can combine it with the Snek juice in some fashion.
 
@Doomed Wombat as Abby and Neshuakadal said, from a magical and wizardly perspective she's been pretty solidly progressing and coming out young for her skill cause she started young. Its more what she's been doing with that skill that's more likely to make her stand out.
 
deathofrats0808 said:
You're sort of missing the point. Arguing something will take multiple actions isn't a great argument. People will still want to do stuff. Especially as not every action needs to be taken one after another, even if they're linked actions.
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If you want me to talk straight and without jesting: learning an additional weapon skill takes valuable actions, which could be used for other purposes. Given that we have a lot of stuff which needs doing, I believe the opportunity cost of learning a new weapon prohibitive, given the benefits and attraction of other options competing for the same limited resourse - actions.
 
Sinsystems said:
A lot of people deserved better than what they got in the End Times BS.
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Sadly true, but I was talking from an in-universe perspective, where most people got dealt with ok, and several earned glorious deaths. Then poor Gelt got stabbed in the back after all his loyal service to the Empire and his home was destroyed.
 
Mathilde's doing quite well, she's not 'Best in history' level like Balthasar Gelt was (like, seriously, what the fuck, reading his backstory makes him look like the martiest stu who ever stu-ed in a story), but she's quite solidly in the 'Prodigy' level.

Master Wizard before 30 (Note, some wizards don't even start until their early twenties), is great, if she can hit Wizard Lord before 40, she'll be firmly in "Future Matriarch" territory if she had the time to play the politics game to go for it.
 
Kornet said:
If you want me to talk straight and without jesting: learning an additional weapon skill takes valuable actions, which could be used for other purposes. Given that we have a lot of stuff which needs doing, I believe the opportunity cost of learning a new weapon prohibitive, given the benefits and attraction of other options competing for the same limited resourse - actions.
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And what other options would those be? We've got snakejuice, maybe some papers, some settler stuff, maybe the Mortis. That's about it though.
 
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