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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Also worth mentioning but the training for the great sword did more than just teach her how to use a great sword. Her physical fitness and endurance can be directly linked to it and training to use a Great Axe would absolutely build on that.
 
Karugus said:
much more forgivable, but then we can't come at the slayer wizard aesthetic from the other direction, considering that's how the Dwarfs saw us almost winding up as at Drakenhof :V
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They still kind of do, and I find it great. We seem to have accidentally stumbled into a well-understood dwarven social role when we told Belegar that we are 'just wandering'. ""Adbarazi strollendreken." I fulfilled my oath and now I wander to find a purpose. " It seems that a situation when an individual has everything torn from him, is driven to the brink of slayerhood but manages to fulfill her oath and yet finds that she has nothing to return to is a well-regarded, well-understood and honorable dwarven social role. Kinda like ronin who managed to avenge his master but has nobody to serve right now.
 
jjffjhjf said:
I'm not much of a fan of the whole greatsword thing. I mean, its cool I guess? But just having our character be good at chopping things up is fine with me. Regardless of weapon, and the Axe/Grounding Rod combo seems pretty good to me. We'd probably want to have a separate proper staff to use for doing stuff that requires us having that +1 magic. Though I would kinda like to get a bow for longer range combat. Pistols are good at short ranges, but a wooden bow would be way easier to make Ulgu-ified, and ya know, is naturally pretty stealthy. Though I do admit getting a proper sniper rifle kind of thing would be totally sweet as well...
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If we want a supercharged ranged weapon? The real game would be to grab a Hochland Long Rifle (Or a dwarfen equivilant), and then give it a silencer enchantment, which should be quite easy as it's Petty Magic.
 
Equable said:
It should be noted that the sword is the symbol of the Grey Order. Not a greatword specifically, but Mathilde for one seems attached to the symbolism, and has referenced it more than once.

I really don't think that switching primary weapons is a good example of the symbolism you want, of a watershed moment. At least, not in this context. The only time it would be appropriate from that perpective would be if she were to abandon her ties to the Grey College, becoming a black magister, and thus shed their symbol.
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I mean, its just that Matilda is smol, so when people ask her why she's waving a greatsword around, she tries to excuse it as 'Its The Symbol Of The Grey Order', but then she or someone else brings up that a sword, not a greatsword is the symbol of the Order, and that she just learned from the best warriors who were closest at hand in The Greatswords Of Stirland.

I'd need @BoneyM to weigh in on if the sword is ACTUALLY a symbol to Matilda in regards to the Grey Order or if its just an excuse.
 
Alectai said:
If we want a supercharged ranged weapon? The real game would be to grab a Hochland Long Rifle (Or a dwarfen equivilant), and then give it a silencer enchantment, which should be quite easy as it's Petty Magic.
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That's a weapon skill I can get behind, as it opens a whole new set of options, unlike yet another melee weapon.
 
mmm something that's probably already been noted, but one advantage having the Whitewolves set up in the Karak is that it gives the Dwarves access to cavelry something the faction doesn't have at all, at least not in a traditional sense.
 
It's symbolically the symbol of the Grey Order. It's somewhat customary for a Grey Wizard to wear a sword on their hip but it's not mandatory, and it's up to the thread whether they want to stick to that or let other concerns take Mathilde towards another weapon.
 
So, can we still get Matilda to learn the dagger? Or some other such tiny hand weapon for use in close confines that's extra stealthy? Because that seems like a great idea to me. Quite simply its way easier to stealth kill someone with a dagger than a great big honkin' two handed weapon.
 
BoneyM said:
It's symbolically the symbol of the Grey Order. It's somewhat customary for a Grey Wizard to wear a sword on their hip but it's not mandatory, and it's up to the thread whether they want to stick to that or let other concerns take Mathilde towards another weapon.
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Mmm, I imagine a sword-shaped athame as a spell focus would be viable design space?
 
jjffjhjf said:
So, can we still get Matilda to learn the dagger? Or some other such tiny hand weapon for use in close confines that's extra stealthy? Because that seems like a great idea to me. Quite simply its way easier to stealth kill someone with a dagger than a great big honkin' two handed weapon.
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Well, we already have a shadow chisel.
BoneyM said:
A shadowchisel right at the point where the spine meets the skull with your full bodyweight behind it does the job, and the crunch of the candles being obliterated beneath him is swallowed by the chanting of the others.
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Humbaba said:
I would also point out that the Coat of Arms we chose is a Greatsword.

From Turn 8:
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Tbf, we chose that right when we got knighted, and when we didn't have any plans outside of Stirland. Things have changed since then, and I don't want Matilda to stay the same the entire quest, because we chose to do this one thing almost fives years and pre a couple life shaking events ago.
 
Stylistically, I could get behind dwarficised!Mathilde, wielding a greataxe, chuggin dwarven beer, calling everyone journeymanlings and occasionally struggling to find reikspiel equivalents to khazalid words which have no direct equivalent. Maybe. At least for the shock value she would induce in sigmarites.

I still find learning greataxe a waste of perfectly good action slots.
 
Kornet said:
Stylistically, I could get behind dwarficised!Mathilde, wielding a greataxe, chuggin dwarven beer, calling everyone journeymanlings and occasionally struggling to find reikspiel equivalents to khazalid words which have no direct equivalent. Maybe. At least for the shock value she would induce in sigmarites.

I still find learning greataxe a waste of perfectly good action slots.
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It's likely to only take one or two and it will help build on our current fitness which actually provides a greater martial boost. :p
 
Nah, keep the greatsword. Greatswords are cool and it's iconic to Mathilde. Don't need to switch to axe to symbolise her confidence.
 
Nix's Warden said:
I mean, its just that Matilda is smol, so when people ask her why she's waving a greatsword around, she tries to excuse it as 'Its The Symbol Of The Grey Order', but then she or someone else brings up that a sword, not a greatsword is the symbol of the Order, and that she just learned from the best warriors who were closest at hand in The Greatswords Of Stirland.

I'd need @BoneyM to weigh in on if the sword is ACTUALLY a symbol to Matilda in regards to the Grey Order or if its just an excuse.
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A symbol is a symbol. The symbol of the Grey Order is a sword, the Grey College offers swordsmanship classes, the EIC symbol is of three swords - Van Hal's, Markus', Mathilde's - Mathilde was taught by her now deceased friend Markus. There's a lot of weight to swords in Mathilde's life, and they've taken on a certain significance.

Other than abandoning the Grey Order, I suppose you could sell not using the sword as a rejection of sentimentality - the axe may be more convenient to get made, so the sword is dropped for practical reasons. Despite everything that the greatsword might mean, Mathilde abandons it due to pragmatism. That's a kind of watershed. Or a repudiation of everything she achieved in Stirland, it could mean that too - she's the last sword of the EIC, so if she drops it...

There's a lot that, symbolically, abandoning the sword could mean, but what it isn't is the equivalent of a generic hair-cut scene - a change for the sake of change.
 
I mean, as the last...what six 200+ votes have shown, people are going to vote for what they like, and some are gunna win and some are gunna lose. When it comes down to it, we can all talk and try and sway people, but at the end of the day thread consensus is gunna carry the day.

Its just gunna depend on whatever the thread finds more interesting, either keeping a Greatsword but upgrading via Maximillion or Runes for sentimentality, or changing to a Great Axe for maximum favor results.
 
I say we just wait for the Max-Sword and spend such a high amount of favour on our tower it ends up on the maps as the wizard tower.

we could buy a weathervane enchant it with Dread Aspect and stick it on top of it!

make it Mathilde's Spooky Tower of Magic
 
I think a way to get the best of both worlds is to have our next greatsword be forged out of the same silversteel the pikes are.
 
Equable said:
A symbol is a symbol. The symbol of the Grey Order is a sword, the Grey College offers swordsmanship classes, the EIC symbol is of three swords - Van Hal's, Markus', Mathilde's - Mathilde was taught by her now deceased friend Markus. There's a lot of weight to swords in Mathilde's life, and they've taken on a certain significance.

Other than abandoning the Grey Order, I suppose you could sell not using the sword as a rejection of sentimentality - the axe may be more convenient to get made, so the sword is dropped for practical reasons. Despite everything that the greatsword might mean, Mathilde abandons it due to pragmatism. That's a kind of watershed. Or a repudiation of everything she achieved in Stirland, it could mean that too - she's the last sword of the EIC, so if she drops it...

There's a lot that, symbolically, abandoning the sword could mean, but what it isn't is the equivalent of a generic hair-cut scene - a change for the sake of change.
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I mean I wouldn't suggest throwing it in the trash dude. Obviously it comes to down what the thread wants, but IF I was the only one making this decision, I'd buy a pimped out Runic Great Axe from Kragg, learn to use it, take it on as a symbol of our new job as Spymaster Of Karak Eight Peeks, and put our current sword over our mantle in our home in a place of respect and honor.

Everything grows and changes and Matilda has out grown Stirland. Just sticking to the Greatsword and refusing the idea of learning any other melee weapon, especially one that could be the deciding factor on if we live or die, just seems stupid to me.
 
Well, the actual best material would probably be ithilmar, as its lightness might counteract the intitiative penalty of greatweapons, but good fucking luck, the elves are stingier with it than the dwarves are with gromril.
 
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