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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Yes? I'm sorry. Is you citing an official novel supposed to be somehow making it less canon? Snorri was a massive prick. He has a lot of entries in a novel about it.
Yeah, it probably would have helped and yeah. The high king showed restraint. Shame Caledor was on the throne though. Still doesn't make it entirely the elves fault.
Especially after the actions of Snorri. After razing an elven city to the ground the Elves and Dwarves were at war to begin with. Caledor just make it official.
Cool. Does it massively contradict existing lore? Maybe Boney will say it's noncannon but until then it is.
Before Caledor shaved off any beards the Dwarf High Kings son and Heir razed an Elven city to the ground.
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I'm not sure if you just keep missing my point, but I literally posted Boney's canonicty tier list right above you. Can you at least try to read my posts. I'm starting to get annoyed. There is generally an expectation that you'd read the QM's FAQs before you start making statements in the thread.
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Even ignoring the actual canon tierlist Boney put up IIRC they've stated before that info taken from a single source is usually discounted.
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To be fair...isn't Sigmars empire really only(barely) lacking the first on that list with witch hunters being more than willing to torture and Morrites following a god of death explicitly?
Not that that's great but this doesn't actually sound like all that alien territory for our protagonist. Our protagonist who is an assasin, thus a trained murderer and who has at least turned one elf over to what was likely to involve torture.
Slavery would be (somewhat)abhorrent to her but I'm kind of confused on the other points.
I personally think Malekith and Morathii's horrid social experiment is legitimately the worst. Not competing for it.
Why?
Well for starters as you said vampires tend to view other people as either Irrelevant, as cattle or at least as obligated to them as their betters, barring the nechrarch's in the former category this at least means they don't tend to work people to death for the sake of not lifting their fingers.
It's rare but they are at least capable of being either decent rulers or living independently. I've certainly never seen the former from D'elves.
Chaos forces very often don't seem to serve their gods willingly but because of A: ''Better my neighbors get sacrificed than me'' B: ''This god is the only thing keeping my people alive'' or C: ''If I don't comply I'll be smited, possibly eaten by my god''
Yes there are exceptions, but a lot of chaotic factions and forces seem to march at gunpoint so to speak.
You could argue that the big M&M's in druuchiland don't provide their Elves with a choice, but they are not gods, Dark Elves have in fact been known to say defect to the wood elves, or go off to live mostly independently in the wilderness or even run operations not on Naggoroth at all.
Most of them seem very willing to be accomplices in the said regime, a regime that they didn't take apart or flee en mass from even when Malekith vanished for centuries so one cannot say they did not have a good shot at trying to be out of his clutches.
Or at least it reads that way to me.
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You're welcome to get annoyed. The book comes under tier 4? Black Library. Happy to help you there.
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You're quite the nuisance I must say. I don't think I'll bother continuing to engage with you.
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You neglected to mention that the second offer is to go be a slaving pirate (as opposed to being a cool pirate), and there is no way that boat is big enough to be comfortable for Stompy the Mammoth.
And without Stompy, what's the point?
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Read between the lines mate. The book is contradicted by the tier 3 army books where the only thing mentioned is Caledor having the ambassadors shaved. No mention of dwarves starting hostilities beforehand.
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I'm pretty sure they mean people who sacrifice others for their God. Morr abhors the concept of ending a life before it is fated to end, only truly condoning it when someone is messing with death. Blood Sacrifice is explicitly shunned in the Empire. Anyone who performs it usually follows a proscribed god.
That's true.
I should have framed it better, but the difference is effectively scale.
Druuchi- Ardent enslavers, sees humans as Chattel
Kislev, our most slaving ally- Trades in slaves, no actual evidence they use them nowadays.
Druuchi- Torture for fun to the point where it's kind of dull for them, so they need to go make new and interesting ways to do it.
Empire- Tortures because they're a Renaissance Germany knockoff with witch hunters (Who are also quite flawed, but do really important work as well… it's complex.)
Druuchi- Love Khaine. Just love him. Slaughter and sacrifice entire villages of people with motivations that are about as deep as worshipping Khaine.
Empire- Has Morrites, the very nice sort of death cultists we can all agree are a boon to human kind.
Ergo, don't go with the Druuchi.
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The Kislev slavery thing is probably one of the thread's biggest games of Telephone:
The Collages do practice human sacrifice to make Wind Elementals, but that is about as close to non-proscribed human sacrifice you get and notably it is very much behind closed doors.
I'll reiterate my previous proposal, as I think that it works on a couple of levels.
We trade something like Waaagh and Peace in return for some Druichi magical lore.
We then go straight to Daroir (the high elf ambassador) and tell him that the Druichi are sniffing around trying to subvert the Colleges by offering magical lore and trying to ally against Marienberg. Basically, we tell them the truth, using the knowledge we received as proof.
We have credibility from giving him the Dark Elf before, and so we may need able to negotiate something in return for the tip off.
Good will and credibility as a negotiating partner is worth a lot in the longer run than short term immediate benefits. Finubar being told that the Empire is making signals that it's interested in a cooperative rather than antagonistic relationship could pay significant dividends.
Something else to consider is that Marienberg is a long term potential threat to the dark elves on the high seas. The end goal of this from their perspective is not an Empire controller Marienberg, as that's an even greater threat to them. It's a destroyed Marienberg and a weakened Empire that can't rebuild its naval forces to contest their coastal and sea lane raiding.
Long term, we all win by reducing the pressure of their piracy, even if it's indirect for the Empire, they would still profit if trade via Marienberg became safer and so cheaper, even if it's harder to see.
Well; it's not really. The one eyewitness account we have of it is of a Bright Wizard and their apprentices feeding POWs to the pyre to make one in front of a whole Imperial army while besieging a Tilean fortress.
We trade something like Waaagh and Peace in return for some Druichi magical lore.
We then go straight to Daroir (the high elf ambassador) and tell him that the Druichi are sniffing around trying to subvert the Colleges by offering magical lore and trying to ally against Marienberg. Basically, we tell them the truth, using the knowledge we received as proof.
We have credibility from giving him the Dark Elf before, and so we may need able to negotiate something in return for the tip off.
Good will and credibility as a negotiating partner is worth a lot in the longer run than short term immediate benefits. Finubar being told that the Empire is making signals that it's interested in a cooperative rather than antagonistic relationship could pay significant dividends.
Something else to consider is that Marienberg is a long term potential threat to the dark elves on the high seas. The end goal of this from their perspective is not an Empire controller Marienberg, as that's an even greater threat to them. It's a destroyed Marienberg and a weakened Empire that can't rebuild its naval forces to contest their coastal and sea lane raiding.
Long term, we all win by reducing the pressure of their piracy, even if it's indirect for the Empire, they would still profit if trade via Marienberg became safer and so cheaper, even if it's harder to see.
Well; it's not really. The one eyewitness account we have of it is of a Bright Wizard and their apprentices feeding POWs to the pyre to make one in front of a whole Imperial army while besieging a Tilean fortress.
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Ok then, since you want to be so helpful, here is a post from the past about the context of the situation from the view of Boney of responsibility and blame.
IC.
I shall go edit that, so not to slander our trusted allies against the literal end of the world.
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They're also incredibly, very sparing with how they do it. It needs to be a genuine crisis that threatens the Empire beyond their normal capacity to handle for them to even consider it.
And one of the primary reasons they don't like to consider it is because of how close it is to Chaos' purview.
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You know what this quest needs?
Actual high elves appearing, and also sounding completely reasonable and justified.
Cos right now, the only appearances they've made is second hand accounts from their rivals, accounts from their ancient enemies, hero-worship accounts from their students and a elf from Nagarythe.
Actual high elves appearing, and also sounding completely reasonable and justified.
Cos right now, the only appearances they've made is second hand accounts from their rivals, accounts from their ancient enemies, hero-worship accounts from their students and a elf from Nagarythe.
Yes. The only thing mentioned is Caledor having the ambassadors shaved. It's a very short entry. We have no idea why he did it beyond him being a bit of a prick.
Now should Snorri's actions be there? Probably, that it's not doesn't mean it can't be part of Caledor's impetus.
Oh. Thankyou. That does actually help with this. I guess the High Elves are entirely at fault for the war of the beard then. Well, in this thread at least.
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This I could live with, even if more Druchi killed by orcs is probably a net positive to the world I do not think it is enough for a one that making them better at fighting Waagh magic is something to lose sleep over.
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I would love it if they appeared.
Maybe they will. Any time now. I'm sure they will. Hopefully we won't have to wait 20 in game years. They sure take their time.
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Now this idea I like and as a positive point it'll probably make the white tower send some one over to the Colleges to supervise from the elven perspective even if they tell the Empire it's to further teach and assist. Which could have it's own benefits. Who knows maybe Teclis comes and visits..
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Any minute now.
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Morr is not a God of Death, that'd be the human version of Khaine if anyone. Morr is the God of the Dead, as in funeral rites and the afterlife, as well as dreams and prophecies.
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A little prediction: Elfcation plans will be moved forwards, as Mathilde tries to reconcile empathizing with dark elves with everything else she heard about them.