... The same lahmians who infiltrated the capital?
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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The same Lahmians who couldn't keep a hold on a Grey Wizard Journeywoman.
After several years and a elector count/witchhunter expert getting enough info together to assassinate them...
The Lahmians have been working for millennia as a concerted group on infiltration, they are an existencial threat to the Empire and many other realms of the Old World, that is clear. However Vlad alone lacks the experience of the Sisterhood and inherent inclination of Neferate and the vast network of contacts that make that existential threat as bad as it is. Vlad suddenly deciding to pivot o acting like a cut rate Neferata would not make him harmless by no means, but it would severely disadvantage him.
K von Carstein
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Well, I did add that Sylvania was a lost cause.
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Lahmians can get entrenched in human society.
That plot to get to the empress was probably a century in the making.
Humans can (eventually) pry them out, and usually, once the game is up, it takes the empire less time than it takes for them to get in there in the first place.
It's an intelligence/counterintelligence arms race.
And this time it favors the empire, rather than the vampires. The vampires have to not get caught every time, while the humans only have to catch them once.
That plot to get to the empress was probably a century in the making.
Humans can (eventually) pry them out, and usually, once the game is up, it takes the empire less time than it takes for them to get in there in the first place.
It's an intelligence/counterintelligence arms race.
And this time it favors the empire, rather than the vampires. The vampires have to not get caught every time, while the humans only have to catch them once.
Oh i absolutely agree with you, vlad wouldn't be able to do his stick in the current empire. This was mostly about how the empire isn't as vampire proof as they think they are, stirland probably yes but not as well as even they think.
I personally still think that vlad would probably try for the border princes because his ideal of a well led humanity could actually work there.
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With three degrees of seperation between actual vampires and Empress. Remember they were using existing forbidden cults and networks to do their jobs.
Which where arms race comes in. This is the result of Empire keeping up with their anti-infiltration work forcing Lahmians to devalop other means. It is the result of centuries of hidden combat and experience that Lahmians have that Carstein would not.
That is a very human-centric view, from the vampires' perspective they are immortal so they get infinite tries. Even if their remains are sealed they will not be sealed forever after all. And it's not like a tipping point does not exist, one in which so much of a society is controlled by the Sisterhood in which the faithful servants of the gods have been killed or exiled. After all that is what happened to Lahmia, Neferata only lost the city because of external invasion not internal dissent, so just do that but lighter on the public blood cult and you win.
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We know there's a Strigoï who rules there and he's actually liked by his subjects. Vlad would likely be a good thing for the Border Princes in the short and middle term. Then after a few decades/centuries he would try to conquer the Empire, again. But I think the Empire would try to shank him asap when they learn his existence.
Presuably at some point in the several hundred years of vampiric reunification the Empire and/or Bretonia would come after him with an army, hard to be both so insignificant as to be below notice and so powerful as to gather a living army that can conquer the Empire.
Oh absolutely, that's why I said earlier that the responds between "a" vampire and vlad would be like night and day. "A" vampire in the border princes is not super important, something to keep in mind but nothing to ruffle feathers about.
Vlad in the border princes a real reason to call for a cleansing (if your more fanatical) or a full scale invasion (if your more practical) of the region he has made his home.
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I feel the need to point out that Gashnag might not be in the Border Princes. We're still 30 years before canon with numerous butterflies.
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Enter Genghis Mathilde, with her baseball bat, skateboard and notes on Vlad's Ring: Infinite tries? That's cheating
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K von Carstein
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That's not important to my point. His existence in canon proves that the Empire won't act just because some vampire takes control of territory there, and that a restrained one would be liked by the population.
Mopman43
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Something about necromantic texts seems to bring out the chicken-counters in everyone.
Remember when the Liber Mortis was supposed to unlock Tongs and Theurgy and allow Mathilde to single-handedly revolutionize magic?
And like, there was a lot of useful stuff in it. And I'm sure Vlad's notes will at least be informative.
But I don't know that it's going to be the key to permakilling vampires.
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Wild idea on neutralizing vampires:
Make them all into varghulfs or vargheists (I keep confusing them).
Then they would lack the cunning and magic that makes them a force multiplier, and this would remain as "simply" monsters. Able to be taken down with groups of adventurers instead of armies.
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I'm hoping for more deeplore about how they regenerate, given the ring's primary power.
And considering how it was an 11 out of 12, past experience tells me it's going to be something very powerful, and very tempting.
Putting two and two together, and I get something to mess with vampire regeneration.
Boney will probably come up with something equally juicy.
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Questions: can Dhar be generated in a Monowind environment?
Like if you had a giant AVGallon equivalent of pure Ulgu in a room in the Grey College, would it ever curdle into Dhar on its own?
Or is this kind of a
'assuming perfect conditions, no, but in reality with Morrslieb/miscasting/random Warpstone dust/Tzeentch going fuck you in particular, yes'
sort of question?
Like if you had a giant AVGallon equivalent of pure Ulgu in a room in the Grey College, would it ever curdle into Dhar on its own?
Or is this kind of a
'assuming perfect conditions, no, but in reality with Morrslieb/miscasting/random Warpstone dust/Tzeentch going fuck you in particular, yes'
sort of question?
Mopman43
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You can't really force a vampire to be a Varghulf (grounded, heavy, from the vampire abandoning thought and diving fully into bloodlust, Johann got shocked fighting one a couple updates ago)
Forcing a vampire to be a Vargheist would require test subjects and Warpstone (they're trapped in coffins that Warpstone-laced water drips into and their isolation and bloodthirst plus the Warpstone leaves them emaciated and capable of flight), which is the sort of thing that probably ends with vampires escaping and killing everyone involved, and is an abominable act besides.
Dhar comes from multiple Winds- it shouldn't be possible for pure Ulgu with nothing else to form Dhar.
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Yes. Yet you can't really say that Mannfred would be more dangerous as a Vargheist. It would be abominable... but it can be done
Feels like it's an inferior option than flesing the skull and storing it in a dwarven vault... now I wonder if there are vampires slowly going mad from thirst inside fallen holds' vaults.
Also, does any one know if we have we ever taken a social action with Thorek?
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Sylvania is absolutely not a lost cause for the vampires. It's been cleared out before and it will be cleared out again but they come back every time. Roswita puts up a good fight sure, but will the next one? Or the one after that? Or the one after that? Vampires in Sylvania have institutional roots, and are well liked among the citizenry, it'll take more then some minor military action to end thier supremacy there
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I meant doing both.
I would rather guard a flensed skull from a Vargheist than the flensed skull of Mannfred or somebody that powerful.
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Actually I have been wondering, what stops people from just smashing the skulls? Do vamps regenerate from the largest piece, making smashing the skull pointless as all it does is activate some lost fingerbone somewhere, are they indistructable, does smashing them pop out the fully formed vampire?