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Wouldn't Vlad know countermeasures? I don't see him teaching the SS to someone without making sure it can't be used against him.
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Ehhh. I agree with the outcomes, but not the implied method: Second Secret of Dhar does indeed say 'hi'.
And Mathilde uses it by running back to Altdorf and having a very trusted, very 'about to die of old age' Sigmarite priest do it for her.
Their church did it once, they'll be made to do it again.
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Vlad would be rather less vulnerable than most- his armies were the ones that included a large number of vampires and even living Sylvanians.
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I don't think there are countermeasures. If Vlad uses the First secret, then his spells are susceptible to the Second secret.
He's probably got more tricks up his sleeve though.
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I'd bet everything against it.
Mannfred's army getting blown up by the Grand Theogonist didn't affect him at all.
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I think that if that worked to destroy vampires, the Sigmarites would be (quietly) doing it.
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The Second Secret doesn't exactly apply to all Dhar, just Dhar used a certain way, that is, using the First Secret.
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I'm pretty sure it would blow up non-FS zombies as well.
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vampires arent actually dhar fueled, thier soul is static and unchanging, and thus is immune to dhar corruption as long as they feed regulry instead of subsisting on dhar like the nechrarchs do
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Regen and Ward Saves didn't stack in 8th Edition, so this is how it worked there:
"Talisman. The Carstein Ring grants Vlad a 4+ ward save. Furthermore, the first time Vlad is removed from play, roll a D6 at the end of the phase. On a roll of 2 +, he is immediately returned to 'life' with a single Wound. Vlad must then be placed in the front rank of a friendly unit anywhere within 12" of the point where he fell (even one in close combat). If there is no such unit for Vlad to join, he is removed as a casualty."
I would also like to note to people that SS is a very unfortunate acronym. I'm sure we can find a better term for the Second Secret.
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I wonder if the second secret effects the true dhar the dark elves use
Manfred did not and he is arguably a better magician so yeah I think Vlad is screwed if he comes at us with an army
All those living people were Silvanians, to get those you have to depose the Elector Countess and to do that you need and army, chicken and egg problem.
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He could probably get volunteers from Sylvania, they prefer the vampires, less taxes
He could, I am not arguing that Sylvanians would not serve, but raising an army of living men is a massive logistical undertaking that requires you to control the territory. In this context it means controlling the various forts and hard points. AS soon as he comes to the first one with a lot of undead and a handful of villagers he got from the village out back well... Second Secret
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Magic knowledge and skill is not a binary "better or not" slider. Mannfred can be superior to Vlad in magical abilities and knowledge and lack the knowledge on the First and Second Secret. I'm pretty sure Vlad isn't stupid enough to release a book that renders his abilities useless. He wrote the final notes on the Book after all, he had access to it, and he didn't destroy it.
I don't think it's quite so easy, vlad is clever, he wouldn't show himself as a Carstein early on (i think) because he knows that's suicide (as much as a vamp can do that) but iirc he's charismatic if he wants to and a decent organizer. I could totally see him fleeing to the border princes and making his army there.
I mean sure we can posit that the Second Secret would not work because Vlad has the First Secret Prime or something, but that is unfalsifiable unless and until he actually breaks out and built on a foundation of 'surely he would not be that arrogant'... the immortal vampire prince would not be that arrogant. I don't really buy it.
Vlad is a Von Carstain, he does not really have the 'seem alive' tricks of the Lahmians, especially not ones that would stand up for long in the new and very paranoid witch hunter lead greater Stirland.
Not saying he would go "hello fellow alive people!" But how many people actually know vlad von Carsteins face? A random vampire is much less of a problem then a vlad.
Edit: and the empire normally doesn't interfere with the border princes much...
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Of course he did not destroy it. He was experimenting and when you do that you keep your documents. Not destroy them.
Better his armies then his research notes I say.
But it wasn't his book. It was vanhal's book. He just proofread it (i guess) so it be weird if he put a "how to definitely defeat me every time" note in a book of another person.
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Vanhel's book is the main source of Necromancers in the Empire.
Most/all of them seem to have not picked up on the Secrets, but it's not like Vlad had the only copy in existence.
Vlad doesn't have much of a reason to keep either of the two Dhar secrets a, well, secret.
All of his rivals know it already, usually because they are all two or three generations removed from Nagash at most.
Him attempting to keep it from humans is futile, because there are so many other vectors where it can spread to them, so there's not much reason to bother.
It's the Empire that wants to keep it a secret because it risks turning everyone into a walking nuclear weapon, which makes it very difficult to collect taxes.
All of his rivals know it already, usually because they are all two or three generations removed from Nagash at most.
Him attempting to keep it from humans is futile, because there are so many other vectors where it can spread to them, so there's not much reason to bother.
It's the Empire that wants to keep it a secret because it risks turning everyone into a walking nuclear weapon, which makes it very difficult to collect taxes.
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It is the documatation of van hals slide to insanity caused by Necromancy. Research subject van hal was kind enough to write first hand which is great for single subject research like this. He certainly could not be sure of the effect if van hal made a mistake so he was taught well an Van hal is genious capable of figuring out Vlads weakness.
Which circeles back to him not destroying it since this is great research document.
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If Vlad doesn't have his ring or his sword in this hypothetical scenario, he's in for some trouble at the Border Princes. Namely, there's more than a few Strigoi Border Princes who are already established there, Gashnag the Black Prince foremost among them, and they would be eager to repay in kind the way Vashanesh greeted them when they fled Strygos.
Not to mention, the immortal vampire prince so arrogant that his actual cause for death by the hands of the Grand Theogonist was that he found it utterly unthinkable that a human being would be capable of... self-sacrifice, and thus was caught flatfooted when GT bull-rushed him off of Altdorf's walls onto a spike in a mutual kill.