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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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pucflek said:
Nagash maybe, Mannfred not so much.
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Manfred has more spells than any other wizard in the game, Nagash included. And while the slann special rules are pretty great none of them are quite as good as the ability to reroll a wind of magic die.

The living slann aren't actually more powerful than the best elf and human casters. They just have enough slann to do bullshit rituals that no other polity could.
 
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Aranfan said:
Manfred has more spells than any other wizard in the game, Nagash included. And while the slann special rules are pretty great none of them are quite as good as the ability to reroll a wind of magic die.

The living slann aren't actually more powerful than the best elf and human casters. They just have enough slann to do bullshit rituals that no other polity could.
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Quantity has a quality all its own.
 
Aranfan said:
Manfred has more spells than any other wizard in the game, Nagash included. And while the slann special rules are pretty great none of them are quite as good as the ability to reroll a wind of magic die.

The living slann aren't actually more powerful than the best elf and human casters. They just have enough slann to do bullshit rituals that no other polity could.
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Mazdamundi raised a mountain range to block off a Dark Elf invasion. Never any mention of any other Slann involved. Not to mention him repeatedly razing Cadavo.

Individual Slann absolutely are more powerful than other races wizards. Maybe tabletop doesn't perfectly reflect it, but I don't think that's a reason to take tabletop over lore.
 
Aranfan said:
Manfred has more spells than any other wizard in the game, Nagash included. And while the slann special rules are pretty great none of them are quite as good as the ability to reroll a wind of magic die.
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Where are you getting this from? I'm looking at his eighth edition stat block and I'm not seeing that.
 
Chlof said:
Where are you getting this from? I'm looking at his eighth edition stat block and I'm not seeing that.
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Mannfred has the Loremaster trait for both Death and Necromancy (Lore of Vampires in 8th).

I believe this gives him every spell in both lores- every other mage in the game has a smaller total number of spells in battle, even Teclis can either have every High Magic spell or 1 spell from every color Lore.

I don't think this is a reason to conclude that Mannfred is the best wizard in existence.
 
Mopman43 said:
Mazdamundi raised a mountain range to block off a Dark Elf invasion. Never any mention of any other Slann involved. Not to mention him repeatedly razing Cadavo.

Individual Slann absolutely are more powerful than other races wizards. Maybe tabletop doesn't perfectly reflect it, but I don't think that's a reason to take tabletop over lore.
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Mazdamundi is also the strongest living Slann. Taking him as an example of Slann casters is like taking Nagash as an example for all human casters.

I am not denying the power of the Slann, but let's not get ahead of ourselves and think every Slann is Mazdamundi.
 
Quex also "corrected" for the continental drift, which i would love to see another wizard try.

Nagash is actually, as far as i know, the only non-slann wizard who has literally global spanning reach, even if he needs ritual to do so. Which makes him an incredibly impressive wizard even by most Slann standards.

Codex said:
Mazdamundi is also the strongest living Slann. Taking him as an example of Slann casters is like taking Nagash as an example for all human casters.

I am not denying the power of the Slann, but let's not get ahead of ourselves and think every Slann is Mazdamundi.
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True, but Second Generation, of which there are like, maybe 5 more? Are all at least in the same weight category, if not exactly up to par to him. Slann vs other race wizard only starts getting dicey with third or fourth generation, and even then only when compared to the likes of Teclis.
 
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pucflek said:
Quex also "corrected" for the continental drift, which i would love to see another wizard try.

Nagash is actually, as far as i know, the only non-slann wizard who has literally global spanning reach, even if he needs ritual to do so. Which makes him an incredibly impressive wizard even by most Slann standards.
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I don't think Nagash's ritual on Nehekhara quite counts as global, Nagashizzar is only a stone throws away on global terms.
 
pucflek said:
That is what the failed ritual did iirc. Nagash originally planned to turn the whole world into undead, but i may have to fact check that.
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I think there's a few different versions of what the ritual would do, but my understanding is that the most common? is that he was raising all the dead of Nehekhara, which he would use to conquer the world.
 
pucflek said:
True, but Second Generation, of which there are like, maybe 5 more? Are all at least in the same weight category, if not exactly up to par to him. Slann vs other race wizard only starts getting dicey with third or fourth generation, and even then only when compared to the likes of Teclis.
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I remember the numbers. There are five Second Generation including Mazda, 20 Third Generation, then some undetermined number of Fourth and Fifth Generation. Second Generation are in charge of major cities, Third over minor cities, Fourth are in charge with maintaining the Web and the Pond, and the Fifth do whatever, being the most active and the weakest of them, they don't sleep as much.

The Southlands explicitly has no Third Generation and above, only Fourth and Fifth.
 
Mopman43 said:
I think there's a few different versions of what the ritual would do, but my understanding is that the most common? is that he was raising all the dead of Nehekhara, which he would use to conquer the world.
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I looked at the wiki and it cites 8th edition tomb kings, but the ritual was apparently meant to raise every dead the world over, and its opening stages alone killed all of Nehekharra. Then Skaven freed Alcadizaar, he assassinated him before ritual finished and the rest is mostly history.

Now whetever the quote in wiki is accurate i cannot say, as i don't have 8th edition (or any, really) Tomb Kings lore books.

Either way the truth would be somewhere halfway, as he ostentibly did not want to turn every living creature into undead like he did Nehekharra by the wording, but still, my point stands. Global reach.
 
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pucflek said:
I looked at the wiki and it cites 8th edition tomb kings, but the ritual was apparently meant to raise every dead the world over, and its opening stages alone killed all of Nehekharra. Then Skaven freed Alcadizaar and the rest is mostly history.

Now whetever the quote in wiki is accurate i cannot say, as i don't have 8th edition (or any, really) Tomb Kings lore books.
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All right, just to give an initial idea, 6th edition Tomb Kings says the ritual was to kill and reanimate everyone in Nehekhara (after Nagash had already killed most of them) the ritual worked, and then Alcadizzar killed Nagash while he was recovering.

8th edition Tomb Kings says that the ritual was to reanimate the dead all over the world but Nagash was killed mid-ritual.

I don't have time to go through the other sources, but I'd wager there's more variety there.
 
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pucflek said:
I looked at the wiki and it cites 8th edition tomb kings, but the ritual was apparently meant to raise every dead the world over, and its opening stages alone killed all of Nehekharra. Then Skaven freed Alcadizaar, he assassinated him before ritual finished and the rest is mostly history.

Now whetever the quote in wiki is accurate i cannot say, as i don't have 8th edition (or any, really) Tomb Kings lore books.

Either way the truth would be somewhere halfway, as he ostentibly did not want to turn every living creature into undead like he did Nehekharra by the wording, but still, my point stands. Global reach.
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You are correct. Page 15 of 8th Edition Tomb Kings does indeed state that Nagash's ritual would have raised every corpse across the entire world.
 
Codex said:
I commisioned my brother @BlueBirdHay (that's his twitter handle) to draw Mathilde. He took an artistic liberty with Mathilde's eyes but I think it's pretty cool. Here it is:
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I know this is a little old but looking at fanart section just now, I notice that she look a lot like an older version of Wednesday Addams.
Quite a funny image for Mathilde.
 
etranger01 said:
Have we tried applying Vitae to warpstone yet? You know, while we're on the subject of bad ideas.
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Yes Mathilde has already done so.
Boney said:
Question: Does the light of Morrsleib instantly curdle the Winds after they are converted, or does it cause a fundamentally different conversion?

[Damn Your Curiosity: Learning, 71+26+4(Library: Warpstone)=101.]

A longer wait, but you can be patient. When Morrsleib's baleful light once more shines, you are ready and your Magesight keen.

Result: Liquid-to-Dhar conversion was direct. At no point were the Winds present.
Ergo: Multiple transformations are possible.

...oh. You probably didn't have to wait after all.

Experiment: Does warpstone (in the form of Skaven 'warp tokens') cause the same transformation as Morrsleib?
Result: Yes, though physical contact was required. Not currently possible to test if this would also apply to unprocessed warpstone.
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Have we considered putting warpstone on a (non-magical) rocket and sending it into space?

The only problem I can see is that, given it's erratic moving, Morrsleib might just grab it.
 
Dragonofelder said:
Have we considered putting warpstone on a (non-magical) rocket and sending it into space?

The only problem I can see is that, given it's erratic moving, Morrsleib might just grab it.
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There are no rockets in Warhammer that aren't Old One shit like the Temple CIties of the Slann (which are also spaceships) or Skaven stuff. The Skaven space initiative is definitely magical and unstable.
 
Cathay or the Empire might be able to manage it with Warhammer's slightly funky physics, but it'd be quite the endeavour.
 
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I don't know the physics behind it, but I'm pretty sure rockets that you use for fireworks and artillery are a whole different breed than the rocket you'd need to clear the planet's orbit. Someone more astronomically inclined than me could probably cite the sources.
 
Dragonofelder said:
Have we considered putting warpstone on a (non-magical) rocket and sending it into space?

The only problem I can see is that, given it's erratic moving, Morrsleib might just grab it.
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Have you considered that you're literally suggesting Mathilde branch out into basically inventing the entire field of rocket science? That Mathilde, who lives in a society that hasn't invented the movable type printing press yet, should near single-handedly match the results of decades of efforts by modern industrialized nations?
 
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