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I actually thing that working on our diplo—specifically our Eonir diplo—is a bit more immediate than our martial, and probably equal to our magic research.

The only adventure we're planning on right now is bookmining, and we'll have an entire throng of miners, runescribes, Runesmiths and anyone Belegar thinks will be useful with us for that.

There's some Waystone related adventures in the near future (blood fane etc) but it might be a while before we touch that.

For magic, we only really have two projects on the go right now—windherding and AV, and one of those is partially locked behind college favour. There's also apparitions, arcane mark mastery, windsage stuff, and our backlog of artefacts, but we haven't started any of those yet.

So I think we're in a good spot to focus on our Diplo right now.
I agree that we can frankly not worry about our Martial for a while. I know people are looking forward to getting the sword style done, but we could stand to not go on any field trips for a few turns; we don't need more research subjects right now!
 
We are a Lady Magister of Grey College, and possibly dwarf Thane.
We get access to lot of restricted stuff.
Also i suspect there is lot of stuff we are not getting because those are restricted.
Eonir are just more stringent, probably due to current tensions.
And also because we've only really recently gotten to know them, no particular deeds for them to reference beyond shiny character references from their neighbors.
Neighbors they keep a stone's throw away.

So it makes sense Mathilde isn't getting access to what they consider strategic information on more than a need-to-know basis.

Every faction's magic lore is heavily controlled anyway
 
Personally, I'd like to get swordstyle to 4/4 next turn. I'd qualify bookmining as a field trip where Martial could be relevant, and it's nice to just have it completed and not have to worry too much about fitting it in anymore. Plus, it's just super cool and I wanna see what the trait will be like when we get it.

Also, the Laurelorn diplo actions are ones I'd rather do on t40 with Eike. I agree that they're important, though.
 
Personally, I'd like to get swordstyle to 4/4 next turn. I'd qualify bookmining as a field trip where Martial could be relevant, and it's nice to just have it completed and not have to worry too much about fitting it in anymore. Plus, it's just super cool and I wanna see what the trait will be like when we get it.

Also, the Laurelorn diplo actions are ones I'd rather do on t40 with Eike. I agree that they're important, though.
It's going to look like Mathilde's animated properly but her sword is janky and is only animated on threes or fours, so the world is desperately trying to interpolate the motions without clipping. Unfortunately the animators never managed to place the motion blur to hide the fact that the sword isn't fully animated, so it looks like it's teleporting. The creators say this is intentional to avoid criticism of their main character's fight choreography.
 
It's going to look like Mathilde's animated properly but her sword is janky and is only animated on threes or fours, so the world is desperately trying to interpolate the motions without clipping. Unfortunately the animators never managed to place the motion blur to hide the fact that the sword isn't fully animated, so it looks like it's teleporting. The creators say this is intentional to avoid criticism of their main character's fight choreography.

Now, I'm not the one to harp on an animation error so long as the mechanics are still fun. But I have to wonder if the developers are ever going to patch the "drip-feed Aetheric Vitae" glitch that you can exploit as early as the starting Stirland arc. Like, having access to a late-game crafting material that's only supposed to be a super rare drop from fighting daemons seems unbalanced, even if you don't actually unlock recipes for it until later. I'm sure the developers have a script for if Mathilde makes an Orb of Sorcery, but I don't think they envisioned the scenario where she makes a second one.
 
I'm firmly on team Finish The Projects You Already Started. Branulhune is 'almost' done, though I'm still not too clear on how much of a bonus the 'stretch goal' is; and AV continues to be a near-irreproducible substance that we still have at least four more actions' worth of exploring. Let's at least finish the former before moving on to apparition-binding.

Eonir diplomacy isn't a project per se, though. I wouldn't mind getting to know more of Laurelorn alongside Eike.
 
Better to not do it at all. Nordland's desire for the Laurelorn's resources is based on greed and greed alone. Give them wood and silver from another source and they'll just want yet more wood and silver, preferably from the Eonir who they'll still hate for denying them the resources and territory they want. The best way to secure peace is to keep Nordland weak and politically isolated. Attempting to appease them with treasure and allies will backfire. If you want to discourage Nordland from war, set the Karaz Ankor up with the Eonir alone to create an incentive for the dwarves to defend their trade partner.

While the Eonir might feel justified in taking back "their" land, let's remember that there was no sudden move by Nordland to break the treaty. From the perspective of long lived elves, Nordland is the "aggressor". But in reality, we don't know enough to claim that. From Nordland perspective, Laurelorn and Middenland very much are the aggressor. And from a human perspective, I can't help but feel the same.

Laurelorn and Middenland attacked Nordland over historical grievances that no human alive is really responsible for. Sure the current nordlanders' ancestors might have been assholes. But to my modern sensibilities, justifying war of conquest on historical greivances is VERY much wrong and while Laurelorn had excuses, it doesn't stop the fact that it's an existantial crisis for Nordland.

It's not about Nordland being greedy, it's about them being savagely attacked and having 10k of their citizens genocided (that they know of).

All we know of the current EC of Nordland is his name, rather than taking him as the villain of the story, perhaps we could inform ourselves and actually also look at things from Nordland's perspective. At the very least, they are not the aggressors and I'd guess that if we only had the information that they have, we'd very much see their cause as just and righteous.
 
I really strongly encourage you to delete this, on account of the thread has caught on fire at least twice in the past over the morality of Nordlanders' actions vis-a-vis Laurelorn and the morality of Laurelorn's actions vis-a-vis Nordland, and going for three sounds like a bad time for everyone (especially our QM). If you DM me, I can send you some links to the last times this discussion surfaced so you can read what people said before.
 
Laurelorn has the treaty, and record of everytime Nordland has failed to uphold their end of the bargain.
There is very little room to argue that Nordland is not aware of just how much they have been fucking around.
Nordlanders might be mostly ignorant, but they have little say in the matter, leadership knows.
 
I really strongly encourage you to delete this, on account of the thread has caught on fire at least twice in the past over the morality of Nordlanders' actions vis-a-vis Laurelorn and the morality of Laurelorn's actions vis-a-vis Nordland, and going for three sounds like a bad time for everyone (especially our QM). If you DM me, I can send you some links to the last times this discussion surfaced so you can read what people said before.

I mean, the way I see it, the real solution is to actually INVESTIGATE the situation. We only have Laurelorn's side of the story.

If the EC of Nordland is an evil POS I have no problem advocating for more aggressive diplomacy and actions. But if he's just a dude trying to keep his realm together and away from economic devastation, I'm willing to try and offer him a lifeline. And perhaps tell him that no, his citizens weren't genocided. It might not work and be a waste, but I think it's worth it.

It's not like we are an uninvolved party, we are actively supporting Laurelorn diplomaticly with the Waystone project. It's normal to have some cognitive dissonance, both sides have legitimate greivances. Only by having enough information can we try and find a solution (or accept that there is no short term solution), currently we don't have that information from Nordland's point of view.
 
I do think that diplo skill will serve us better in the moment. Like, there is always a reasoning behind finishing projects you have allready started, but in this case it's kinda, finish martial with no big gain at the moment, compared to finishing diplo with at least some tangiable benefits. Espesically in the wake of our recently revealed ignorance with the Elven houses.

That being said, i do think as other people pointed out, waiting till turn 40, when we get Eike to do the diplo action might be prudent. Eike can't really help much with Brahurne at the moment, while she does have benefit she can learn from learning diplomancy. And xeno-diplo is one of Mathilda's trademark skills.
 
Personally, I'd like to get the fourth aspect of Branulhune for now, and then put any stretch goals for it on the backburner until Martial becomes particularly relevant again, like if we go hunting those Orcs in Bretonnia or something.

...As an aside, isn't it kind of an interesting coincidence that we initially revealed four swordstyle aspects of Branulhune, and have now figured out a potential fifth? Probably doesn't mean anything, but it's a fun little parallel with Ranald/The Coin.
 
The whole point of finishing the sword, apparition and other martial actions is for Mathilde to be prepared when unexpected martial actions happen. We have always had 5 actions to finish the sword techniques.
 
The whole point of finishing the sword, apparition and other martial actions is for Mathilde to be prepared when unexpected martial actions happen. We have always had 5 actions to finish the sword techniques.
Yeah, "fight better" always has the chance of being relevant unexpectedly.

But there are other things we want to work on as well, so it's a matter of prioritization. And when we don't have any obvious fights coming up, "fight better" goes down in priority.
 
I mean, the way I see it, the real solution is to actually INVESTIGATE the situation. We only have Laurelorn's side of the story.

There's nothing to investigate. Every time the Nordlanders broke the treaty, the Eonir contact the EC via official channels and said "hey, your people are breaking the treaty, do something about that" and the EC then went to his barons and said "hey guys the elves are pissed at us, chill would you" and the barons said "yeah, but have you seen all this money we're making" and the EC said "understandable, have a good day" and this has been happening over and over again for hundreds of years.

Every single treaty violation and Nordland's lack of a response has been recorded by both sides, and Middenheim has copies of all of these and can conclusively prove that Nordland's government has, for generations, been intentionally failing its treaty obligations in the favour of profit, and needlessly antagonising a neighbouring state.

Does this suck for the peasants caught in the middle? Absolutely—they had very little control over where they lived and worked, or how they made a living, an argument can be made that they didn't deserve to be driven from their homes, and I have made it very clear in previous posts that I am personally very uncomfortable that both the Eonir and the Cult of Ulric used military force to enforce Laurelorn's borders.

But this was after centuries of diplomatic communications being ignored. Nordland, as a state and a government, absolutely did deserve to be driven out of Laurelorn. It was not their sovereign territory, they did not have the legal or moral right to exploit its resources, and their uncontrolled destruction of the forest was endangering the delicate balance the Eonir have spent thousands of years cultivating, making them vulnerable to other threats such as beastmen.
 
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Yeah, "fight better" always has the chance of being relevant unexpectedly.

But there are other things we want to work on as well, so it's a matter of prioritization. And when we don't have any obvious fights coming up, "fight better" goes down in priority.
Mathilde is starting getting to the point where she is meeting threats she can not just side step or avoid. The waystone is a huge project and when not if the other factions find out it will cause a reaction. Most likely from chaos factions.

Martial abilities should be attained when possible so that Mathilde can fight when they show up. We should not expect Mathilde to not have to fight for years . We should be expecting problems to start to catch up at anytime. Just because the dangers coming are not obvious does not mean we should not be prepared.
 
The peasants are victims that deserve reparations.
Problem is that they are victims of Nordland EC, and have fun trying to get money out of EC when they just lost a major source of (stolen) wealth.
Sure the seemingly easier answer would be to just let things be as they are, but that is the policy that got Laurelorn and Nordland where they are now. Also it is kinda inreasonable to just ask Laurelorn to not enforce their borders now that they are finally able to do so without risking the Empire as a whole going genocidal on them.
 
Martial abilities should be attained when possible so that Mathilde can fight when they show up. We should not expect Mathilde to not have to fight for years . We should be expecting problems to start to catch up at anytime. Just because the dangers coming are not obvious does not mean we should not be prepared.
Yeah, but when an obvious danger is coming it's also good to prepare for it. The councillor ran circles around us, she should better prepare so that it doesn't happen again. We're going to interact more and more with the Eonir's power structure, so we need to be prepared for that asap.
 
Yeah, but when an obvious danger is coming it's also good to prepare for it. The councillor ran circles around us, she should better prepare so that it doesn't happen again. We're going to interact more and more with the Eonir's power structure, so we need to be prepared for that asap.
But unlike losing out on a opportunity with the elves through diplomacy Mathilde dying from being murdered by something is a game over.
 
Yeah, but the odds of that happening next turn are pretty low. While the risk of being bamboozled by elves is much higher.
Book mining has a chance to fight the undead or vampires. Also we do not know how doing some of the waystone actions will turn out to be safe. Such as mapping the waystone network. I am also worried about Mathilde just being randomly attacked while doing something.
 
There's nothing to investigate. Every time the Nordlanders broke the treaty, the Eonir contact the EC via official channels and said "hey, you're people are breaking the treaty, do something about that" and the EC then went to his barons and said "hey guys the elves are pissed at us, chill would you" and the barons said "yeah, but have you seen all this money we're making" and the EC said "understandable, have a good day" and this has been happening over and over again for hundreds of years.

Every single treaty violation and Nordland's lack of a response has been recorded by both sides, and Middenheim has copies of all of these and can conclusively prove that Nordland's government has, for generations, been intentionally failing its treaty obligations in the favour of profit, and needlessly antagonising a neighbouring state.

Does this suck for the peasants caught in the middle? Absolutely—they had very little control over where they lived and worked, or how they made a living, an argument can be made that they didn't deserve to be driven from their homes, and I have made it very clear in previous posts that I am personally very uncomfortable that both the Eonir and the Cult of Ulric used military force to enforce Laurelorn's borders.

But this was after centuries of diplomatic communications being ignored. Nordland, as a state and a government, absolutely did deserve to be driven out of Laurelorn. It was not their sovereign territory, they did not have the legal or moral right to exploit its resources, and their uncontrolled destruction of the forest was endangering the delicate balance the Eonir have spent thousands of years cultivating, making them vulnerable to other threats such as beastmen.

That's not what I'm talking about though.

I'm talking about the current EC not all the previous ones that he had no control over. It's hard to conceptualize because of the long timeline of Warhammer but just compare it to our own world.

Would it be justified for a country to attack another to take back land invaded 20 years ago or slight on a similar time frame? Debatable.

Would it be justified for a country to attack another for historical slights dating 100s or 1000s of years? Much less (not that it stops authoritarians of all stripes).

I'm not saying that the Eonir didn't have very valid reasons, I'm just saying that from Nordland's perspective it's very much an unjustified aggressive move by Laurelorn. Moving in one surprise sweep of the territory probably was a military neccessity for Laurelorn, but it might mean that the last tentative to solve things diplomaticly might be tens or hundreds of years ago.

Nevermind the fact that going from "you moved the borderstones a few meters" to "killing* entire villages" is what it feels like for humans with a lifespawn of decades. I mean, there is a limit to the responsibility we bear for the sins of our forefathers (and getting slaughtered for those sins is way too far).
 
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Do remember that Sylvania is largely reeling from fatal doses of Battle Wizards right now and that any vamps we dig up will be weakened by lack of blood, presuming we can't just whomp whatever body part we uncover just to be safe.
 
...As an aside, isn't it kind of an interesting coincidence that we initially revealed four swordstyle aspects of Branulhune, and have now figured out a potential fifth? Probably doesn't mean anything, but it's a fun little parallel with Ranald/The Coin.
And in fact, that fifth aspect is double tap. Double, as in two, as in two daughters. Concidence? Perhaps. But recall that the name Branulhune originated in one of Ranald's strictures, and suddenly the connection doesn't feel that far-fetched. Look a little deeper: guard-bypass is likely a connection to the protector, as that is what a guard is. Hand-switching is a very obvious reference to Two-Gifts Day. What about momentum dump and quickdraw? Does Branulhune go into a liminal space when it disappears, and is that space the Hedge? How does The Great Maw fit in all of this? In this essay I will
 
Regarding threats and martial readiness, whilst it's true that there are people who could be planning to attack us without warning, the fact is that they currently have no opportunity to do so.

Currently, our scheduled has us bouncing between the Colleges, Laurelorn, and Karak Eight Peaks by air. There is no opportunity for people to ambush us unless they have infiltrated some of the most secure locations on the continent—and even if they do get a shot at us, we can just run away on a shadowhorse.

You can not assassinate a target if you don't know where they are, and that's our best defence right now. If we decide to pick a fight with someone by ourselves, such as the chaos orcs, or the beastlord who controls the Blood Fane, then yeah, lets make martial a priority. But right now we are in an incredibly safe position simply because no one can catch us.

I'm not arguing that we neglect it—we should certainly finish our sword style soon. But it doesn't have to be done immediately because there are no immediate threats against us.

Seriously, work it out: how is a chaos cult or an Eshin assassin going to attack us? If you were a Tzeentchian sorcerer, and your Unholy Master had commanded you to eliminate this one specific wizard, how would you do it? When and where would you do it? How would you get close enough to learn her schedule, and place yourself in her path?

In essence, what is your plan to kill Mathilde Weber?

And the answer is that there isn't one, because she's too well defended. You can't put agents into any of the locations she visits, and even if you do, they'd have to be on standby waiting for an opportunity to present itself, and they'd have to improvise from there depending on the circumstances.

And in fact, that fifth aspect is double tap. Double, as in two, as in two daughters. Concidence? Perhaps. But recall that the name Branulhune originated in one of Ranald's strictures, and suddenly the connection doesn't feel that far-fetched. Look a little deeper: guard-bypass is likely a connection to the protector, as that is what a guard is. Hand-switching is a very obvious reference to Two-Gifts Day. What about momentum dump and quickdraw? Does Branulhune go into a liminal space when it disappears, and is that space the Hedge? How does The Great Maw fit in all of this? In this essay I will

Quickdraw is the Deceiver—surprise I have a knife (it's actually a greatsword). Momentum Dump is the Night Prowler, because those who prowl the night need to be able to slip into and out of crowds and buildings without drawing attention.
 
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