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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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deathofrats0808 said:
People don't trust magic. That means they don't trust magic to move either themselves or their troops. The general attitude towards magic is "burn it". I seem to remember this came up when we were talking about the Impossible March and Boney said it rarely gets used because people don't trust the magic to get people to their destinations and not horribly murder them instead.
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To be fair, Impossible March does have a well deserved reputation for murdering the people who use it. It's not the safest of rituals out there. That's not a prejudice against magic, just prejudice against a dangerous spell.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
To be fair, Impossible March does have a well deserved reputation for murdering the people who use it. It's not the safest of rituals out there. That's not a prejudice against magic, just prejudice against a dangerous spell.
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It can be made much safer with redundant secondary casters. That way even if some of them fail only they will suffer as long as primary caster and enough secondary to transport your whole army get it right.
 
I'm also now less reluctant for the We to win. It was already my second or third choice, but now the thought of them beating out Cython is even easier to swallow.

(Still not gonna change my approval vote unless Locals overtakes, but eh)
 
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...that's a such hilariously dangerous and effective idea that I'm wondering why no one's done that before... Mostly, you know, chaos dwarfs and Skaven but man that would be devastating.
 
Parabola said:
Alright, everyone.

I've been doing some calculations for the past day and have come to the conclusion that even in a pessimistic assumption of future action economy (specifically, needing to spend at least two personal actions on waystone-related stuff each turn instead of the ideal circumstances of having waystone-related WEBMAT actions), we should still have enough actions that by turn 44 we should have finished up Branulhune, studied and published every single thing in our backlog that's magic-related, written enough papers to hopefully have enough CF to get 8 power stones/Orbs of Sorcery, finish up all of AV with those, and write the book on AV.

Optimistically, if some waystone stuff would be doable with WEB-MAT, that effectively gives us a few extra actions, and possibly we could get most of that done by Turn 43.

I don't know why I decided to calculate this, but there it is.
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Have you taken into the consideration CF expenses? I think we wanted to take two classes at least - teaching and powerstone creation - and I believe we pay for them in CF.
 
Tobtorp said:
Honestly I didn't expect this vote to be this... Not heated but so we'll visited. Lots of good points on all sides and lots of engagement.
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The formula for a high-engagement vote is that the vote must be accessible (i.e. not complicated) and involve tradeoffs between things which people are genuinely excited about. The Alkharad loot vote, the "what's our next career" vote, romance vote, trait votes -- all of them fit this pattern. I would not have expected this particular one to be such a driver, but I guess a lot of people really care about shaping the future of Karak Eight Peaks (which makes me personally happy, because I love Karak Eight Peaks and am happy whenever it has narrative focus).
Chopak said:
Have you taken into the consideration CF expenses? I think we wanted to take two classes at least - teaching and powerstone creation - and I believe we pay for them in CF.
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100gc or 1CF, paid by our choice.
 
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Tobtorp said:
...that's a such hilariously dangerous and effective idea that I'm wondering why no one's done that before... Mostly, you know, chaos dwarfs and Skaven but man that would be devastating.
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It's not necessarily the Warp, but that sound kinda like something an Orb-powered Battle Altar enchanted with Pit of Shades could do.
 
So, if we're doing all three follow-ups for our past College donations to milk CF for the Orbs, that leaves us with two socials left for individual people. Aksel is probably one of them. Personally, I'd like to get to know Tochter better, since I still don't have a good feel for her and Jade politics are kind of relevant due to our relationship with Panoramia, but I doubt it'd win since there's still stuff like Eike or another Panoramia date or whatever that people would be jumping over.
 
I know people want to create and make known the creation of a second series of Orbs of Sorcery as soon as possible but a good time to do this would probably be when the colleges are spending political capital and jockeying between each other for which one teaches Mandred.
 
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Tobtorp said:
...that's a such hilariously dangerous and effective idea that I'm wondering why no one's done that before... Mostly, you know, chaos dwarfs and Skaven but man that would be devastating.
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There's a weapon that sort of does that in 40k—the Shokk Attack Gun. As you can probably tell by the spelling, it's an Ork weapon, and how it works is almost as baffling as how it is used as a weapon.

Essentailly it creates a narrow "tunnel" through the warp in between the gun and the target, which appears as a couple of small black holes. The Ork firing the gun then shoves a bunch of snotlings through this tunnel, causing them to spontaneously appear amongst the enemy. If you're lucky, the snotlings (thoroughly terrified and frenzied by their trip through the warp) manifest outside of your insides. If you're unlucky... you get snotling chestbusters.

StormySky said:
So, if we're doing all three follow-ups for our past College donations to milk CF for the Orbs, that leaves us with two socials left for individual people. Aksel is probably one of them. Personally, I'd like to get to know Tochter better, since I still don't have a good feel for her and Jade politics are kind of relevant due to our relationship with Panoramia, but I doubt it'd win since there's still stuff like Eike or another Panoramia date or whatever that people would be jumping over.
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We don't have to do all of the college follow ups at once, we can pace them out over a few turns. Personally, I'd like to social the remaining project members (Askel, Sarvoi, Tochter, and Zlata), but again, that can be paced out. Personally I think Zlata might be a good choice—she must be feeling threatened by Niedzwenka, so if we play nice with her she may feel inclined to trust us and follow our lead.
 
I'd very much like to get to know the other members of the Waystone Project better, particularly the ones we haven't chatted with much yet.

Ice Maiden Zlata, Lecturer Sarvoi of House Tindomiel, and Magister Tochter Grunfeld particularly stick out as ones we don't know well.

I'd also very much like to have a social with Aksel: we don't know him super well yet either, there were a looot of intriguing threads presented in our chat with him, I'd very much like to learn more about Haletha and the Hedgewise, and we still have the Father coin on.
 
LadyLynn said:
I'd also very much like to have a social with Aksel: we don't know him super well yet either, there were a looot of intriguing threads presented in our chat with him, I'd very much like to learn more about Haletha and the Hedgewise, and we still have the Father coin on.
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Good point, we didn't do that whole coin thing just to never mention it again.
 
Chopak said:
Have you taken into the consideration CF expenses? I think we wanted to take two classes at least - teaching and powerstone creation - and I believe we pay for them in CF.
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It's hard to say how much CF we will get from papers that have yet to be written or enchantments to be made, but even pessimistically and considering expenditures (we can spend 100 gc on classes as picklepikki says, but have to pay 1 favor a turn for the Hochlander) it's really not an issue.

We have 22 CF at the moment. The minimum CF we get from papers is 1, but even pessimistically we can assume 2-3 each on average - very few of our papers have been 1 CF each. We have the following to be written as papers or books:
  • Windsoak mushrooms book (missing: Chamon and Shyish) (being finished this next turn).
  • Observations on the Windfall north of the Dark Lands
  • Comprehensive notes on possible terrain obstacles
  • Waaagh energy and magic witnessed during the Expedition
  • The Black Orc Warboss' worship of Only Gork, and what you saw of the Rogue Idol ritual
And the following artefacts to study, to then be turned to papers themselves:
  • Branulhune - investigate the odd flash when it is desummoned underwater
  • Books and rubbings from an Asur explorer of Lustria and the Southlands, not sure whether this would be a paper or a book
  • Ghyran Nut
  • Kurgan Shrine to Mannsleib
  • Kurgan enchanted weapons
Overall that's ten papers/books. Again, even pessimistically that's 2 CF each overall, so +20 CF. We also have the stuff we donated to the Colleges that we can follow up on - the Skaven tech and Organ Vat, and the Lustrian Salamanders. Even if we're super pessimistic and that's only 1 CF each, we could still donate the Kurgan enchanted weapons and Ghyran nut to the Colleges, again pessimistically for 1 each. If we make an Ulgu Power Stone on our own that's 5 CF shaved off the required cost.

Subtract let's say six CF from turns of Hochlander usage to get there, and 35 CF from the remaining Power Stones... Overall by turn 44 we'd still have 6 leftover CF, enough to comfortably sustain the Hochlander.

Even if the results are worse than my pessimistic estimates and we get 1 CF each paper (very unlikely), we still can make windherding enchantments with Egrimm and donate them too, or codify Rite of Way, or our mastery of Shadow Knives, which should cover it overall.

Again, it's really not an issue.

StormySky said:
So, if we're doing all three follow-ups for our past College donations to milk CF for the Orbs, that leaves us with two socials left for individual people. Aksel is probably one of them. Personally, I'd like to get to know Tochter better, since I still don't have a good feel for her and Jade politics are kind of relevant due to our relationship with Panoramia, but I doubt it'd win since there's still stuff like Eike or another Panoramia date or whatever that people would be jumping over.
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Hatalath should be the other, I feel like Mathilde IC would be curious as to what he's hiding even if OOC we know he's likely aware of Albion.
 
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StormySky said:
So, if we're doing all three follow-ups for our past College donations to milk CF for the Orbs, that leaves us with two socials left for individual people. Aksel is probably one of them. Personally, I'd like to get to know Tochter better, since I still don't have a good feel for her and Jade politics are kind of relevant due to our relationship with Panoramia, but I doubt it'd win since there's still stuff like Eike or another Panoramia date or whatever that people would be jumping over.
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Pedantic correction: the skaventech followup doesn't provide us CF. The other two things do. Organ-vat provides CF but probably less because whatever is there will be split evenly with Gretel.
Boney said:
Pending College Favours: Salamanders at the Altdorf Zoo, Skaven organ-vat (split credit with Gretel), Anti-Waaagh Lectures
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My intention is to vote all four new additions to the Waystone Project we haven't yet talked to (Tochter/Zlata/Aksel/Sarvoi), with my priority being Tochter and Zlata because we didn't get them last turn, plus our various followups. The followups aren't urgent as long as we get them done in the next few turns, since it's not like doing them this social round makes the difference between Orbs next turn or not.

I have absolutely no idea who our external social will be this time, which is exciting.
Parabola said:
  • Windsoak mushrooms book (missing: Chamon and Shyish) (being finished this turn).
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We're not finishing the book this turn, we're starting it. We'll finish it next turn, T39.
 
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Imugi said:
I know people want to create and make known the creation of a second series of Orbs of Sorcery as soon as possible but a good time to do this would probably be when the colleges are spending political capital and jockeying between each other for which one teaches Mandred.
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…Why? Do you think that would give the Greys an edge or something?

Also it'll probably happen before we even can make them. I don't think Heidi can or even would want to keep it hidden for that long since it's dangerous.
 
If we actually want Manfred to be under our wing we probably want to visit the little dude at some point. Get some positive impressions out of him.
 
Parabola said:
It's hard to say how much CF we will get from papers that have yet to be written or enchantments to be made, but even pessimistically and considering expenditures (we can spend 100 gc on classes as picklepikki says, but have to pay 1 favor a turn for the Hochlander) it's really not an issue.

We have 22 CF at the moment. The minimum CF we get from papers is 1, but even pessimistically we can assume 2-3 each on average - very few of our papers have been 1 CF each. We have the following to be written as papers or books:
  • Windsoak mushrooms book (missing: Chamon and Shyish) (being finished this next turn).
  • Observations on the Windfall north of the Dark Lands
  • Comprehensive notes on possible terrain obstacles
  • Waaagh energy and magic witnessed during the Expedition
  • The Black Orc Warboss' worship of Only Gork, and what you saw of the Rogue Idol ritual
And the following artefacts to study, to then be turned to papers themselves:
  • Branulhune - investigate the odd flash when it is desummoned underwater
  • Books and rubbings from an Asur explorer of Lustria and the Southlands, not sure whether this would be a paper or a book
  • Ghyran Nut
  • Kurgan Shrine to Mannsleib
  • Kurgan enchanted weapons
Overall that's ten papers/books. Again, even pessimistically that's 2 CF each overall, so +20 CF. We also have the stuff we donated to the Colleges that we can follow up on - the Skaven tech and Organ Vat, and the Lustrian Salamanders. Even if we're super pessimistic and that's only 1 CF each, we could still donate the Kurgan enchanted weapons and Ghyran nut to the Colleges, again pessimistically for 1 each. If we make an Ulgu Power Stone on our own that's 5 CF shaved off the required cost.

Subtract let's say six CF from turns of Hochlander usage to get there, and 35 CF from the remaining Power Stones... Overall by turn 44 we'd still have 6 leftover CF, enough to comfortably sustain the Hochlander.

Even if the results are worse than my pessimistic estimates and we get 1 CF each paper (very unlikely), we still can make windherding enchantments with Egrimm and donate them too, or codify Rite of Way, or our mastery of Shadow Knives, which should cover it overall.

Again, it's really not an issue.


Hatalath should be the other, I feel like Mathilde IC would be curious as to what he's hiding even if OOC we know he's likely aware of Albion.
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Thank you for the detailed breakdown. Much informative.
 
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