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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Obfuscated said:
Well not so much as drive off a cliff, more like "and what if I fed it my grocery list as coordinates?". Drive off cliff implies far more of control over the outcome I envision.
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My point is that if you're in a position to be entering data into the place where data is supposed to go, then you've got so much control and access that there's a hundred much easier and safer ways to end the threat.
 
Obfuscated said:
Well not so much as drive off a cliff, more like "and what if I fed it my grocery list as coordinates?". Drive off cliff implies far more of control over the outcome I envision.
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As Boney said earlier:
Boney said:
Being able to exert such fine control over someone else's spells would require Mathilde to completely outclass them in magical ability, and Drycha has been throwing Ulgu around for something like two orders of magnitude longer than Mathilde has.
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Reaching into the guts of someone else's spell and changing one specific part of it (the destination) while leaving the rest of it intact isn't something you do to a superior or even an equal. It's something you do for style points on someone who has no business being in the same room as you.

(And on a meta note, after you've gotten two successive "no"s from the QM on an idea, continuing to press the point is bad form.)
 
picklepikkl said:
Reaching into the guts of someone else's spell and changing one specific part of it (the destination) while leaving the rest of it intact isn't something you do to a superior or even an equal. It's something you do for style points on someone who has no business being in the same room as you.
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Yes. Mathilde did that to the Orc Shaman apprentices, after they already blew up one of them and were wounded themselves.

And it still took a nat 100.
 
IronFist said:
Mathilde saving Gretel from her miscast is also on the same scale imo, in terms of interfering with other people's casting. In this case just not in the direction of blowing themselves up.
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Eh, not really. That was just Mathilde grabbing the entire spell wholesale and letting it decay naturally in her grasp. A lot less finicky.
 
Ericwinter said:
Eh, not really. That was just Mathilde grabbing the entire spell wholesale and letting it decay naturally in her grasp. A lot less finicky.
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Yeah from what I can tell she more or less ripped it out with ulgu and used the ulgu inside her to crush it.

Techically this was probably a violation of the articles since she created dhar intentionally to destroy the miscast by crushing it before it could actually do anything. It's just that no one is going to think of it as one because she was actively destroying the miscast and the resulting dhar.
 
Byzantine said:
Yeah from what I can tell she more or less ripped it out with ulgu and used the ulgu inside her to crush it.

Techically this was probably a violation of the articles since she created dhar intentionally to destroy the miscast by crushing it before it could actually do anything. It's just that no one is going to think of it as one because she was actively destroying the miscast and the resulting dhar.
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Technically there is Dhar every single time a Wizard interferes with an enemy spell of a different wind.

No one gives a shit about that though.
 
Byzantine said:
Yeah from what I can tell she more or less ripped it out with ulgu and used the ulgu inside her to crush it.

Techically this was probably a violation of the articles since she created dhar intentionally to destroy the miscast by crushing it before it could actually do anything. It's just that no one is going to think of it as one because she was actively destroying the miscast and the resulting dhar.
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No. Violating the articles is not actions that result in Dhar. That would leave wizards unable to kill Daemons or otherwise do things that while very needed can still result in nasty stains being left. The articles are about doing no dark magic. So no necromancy, no chaos magic, no summoning daemons, no inventing new forms of horrible dark magic that will ruin the world in new and interesting ways.
 
Robotninja said:
No. Violating the articles is not actions that result in Dhar. That would leave wizards unable to kill Daemons or otherwise do things that while very needed can still result in nasty stains being left. The articles are about doing no dark magic. So no necromancy, no chaos magic, no summoning daemons, no inventing new forms of horrible dark magic that will ruin the world in new and interesting ways.
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Yeah. Hell, you're actually allowed to produce dhar when doing magic. You just can't do intentionally. But if you miscast, or an experiment didn't turn out the way you wanted, you're not obligated to execute yourself for breach of the Articles.
 
BurnNote said:
Yeah. Hell, you're actually allowed to produce dhar when doing magic. You just can't do intentionally. But if you miscast, or an experiment didn't turn out the way you wanted, you're not obligated to execute yourself for breach of the Articles.
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Pretty much, so long as you follow the guidelines about magical experiments and other related activties, you are good to go. The limitations and boundaries are very clear about this as shown here.

Boney said:
Rules of thumb for magical experiments in general:

If you didn't know it could result in Dhar but it does, that's a hazard of the job. If you knew it would result in Dhar but do it anyway, that's a burning. If you suspected it might and do it and it does result in Dhar, then the Dhar poisoning that would normally result is considered convincing enough. If you continue that same line of experiments and continue creating Dhar, that's a stern look and a very serious warning and all benefit of the doubt is lost for future experiments. If conventional wisdom is that it would but you didn't do the research to know that and get Dhar, that's pacification because you're clearly a threat to yourself and others. If conventional wisdom is that it would but you manage to find a way that it doesn't, that's fine. Wonderful, even.
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Voting closed, writing has begun.

Adhoc vote count started by Boney on Mar 7, 2022 at 3:16 PM, finished with 1130 posts and 231 votes.
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Dicerolls.
Boney threw 1 100-faced dice. Reason: Magesight Total: 39
39 39
Boney threw 2 100-faced dice. Reason: R5: Kreml v Treeman Total: 102
84 84 18 18
Boney threw 2 100-faced dice. Reason: Boris + Nadezhda Total: 149
86 86 63 63
Boney threw 2 100-faced dice. Reason: Horse Archers vs Branchwraiths Total: 163
99 99 64 64
 
Boney said:
Voting closed, writing has begun.

Adhoc vote count started by Boney on Mar 7, 2022 at 3:16 PM, finished with 1130 posts and 231 votes.
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Already? Whoo! Time to burn a tree!
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
well, that was a stomp.

glad we want for the boss, otherwise we would have come out of that looking Superficial
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To be fair, we probably could have nuked the tree man singlehandedly—if we went for the flask immediately—instead of tying up several units against it. It's just that instead of a complete curbstomp, Drycha might have gotten off a kill or two without us countering her, and almost certainly gotten away.
 
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