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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Boney said:
If women did 50% of the dying in battle while still doing 100% of the dying in childbirth, Kislev would die out.
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Plus if you lose 9 out of every 10 men then that one man can still have children with the 10 remaining women. But if you lose 9 out of every then women then no matter how many men remain you just lost 90% of your population growth.
 
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Voting this way because I'm concerned about the delay in using the flask and the likelihood that the flask won't finish her off.
 
Boney said:
That is suspected to be the case, as that period of history seemed to have a lot of long-lived Boyars and Druzhinas. But Kislev is touchy about the topic and seems to have taken care of it so nobody pries too much.
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You have to wonder if there's a secret Kislevite Night's Watch of vampires in the north where those turned nobles who weren't completely bad and had residual loyalty to Kislev were exiled to prey on Norscans and Kurgan.
 
Boney said:
If women did 50% of the dying in battle while still doing 100% of the dying in childbirth, Kislev would die out.
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I mean... true, but... I must apologize, it still doesn't make sense to me. They should be trained as backup in case the men lose the fight, because most of the gribbles would kill 100% of men and women, so teaching them to defend themselves still sounds optimal in such a situation?
 
Sinsystems said:
Plus if you lose 9 out of every 10 men then that one man can still have children with the 10 remaining women. But if you lose 9 out of every then women then no matter how many men remain you just lost 90% of your population growth.
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Assuming polygamy, which Kislev doesn't particularly practice, as far as I'm aware.
 
storryeater said:
I mean... true, but... I must apologize, it still doesn't make sense to me. They should be trained as backup in case the men lose the fight, because most of the gribbles would kill 100% of men and women, so teaching them to defend themselves still sounds optimal in such a situation?
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I think it's a case that they are trained to fight, they just aren't expected to fight. They are expected to defend the homes when the men go off to fight but not to go off themselves.
 
TaliesinSkye said:
Voting this way because I'm concerned about the delay in using the flask and the likelihood that the flask won't finish her off.
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The result will probably be a roll, but all of the options are viable in the given timeframe:
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Nightlord256 said:
@Boney thanks for the great update :)

Based on our experience with these teleportation spells how long do they take to cast? An instant, a second, a few seconds, etc?
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A few seconds, enough time to counter/charge/dragonflask.
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storryeater said:
I mean... true, but... I must apologize, it still doesn't make sense to me. They should be trained as backup in case the men lose the fight, because most of the gribbles would kill 100% of men and women, so teaching them to defend themselves still sounds optimal in such a situation?
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Outside of the cities almost all women are armed and trained, they just don't get flogged or branded if they aren't.
 
Mopman43 said:
Assuming polygamy, which Kislev doesn't particularly practice, as far as I'm aware.
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I think it depends on the specific sub-cultural group, like for those who live in the cities I'd imagine that it isn't practiced. However having multiple wives is more likely for the nomadic parts of Kislev. Since while I'm not 100% on all the details I think some of the step nomads they were based on IRL practiced it.
 
storryeater said:
Just ask the Spartans (yes, they were assholes, but that doesn't detract from my point. They did train their women.).
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Even ignoring the fact that only a fraction of Spartan women got any education at all, no, Spartan women were not trained to fight. They were expected to take part in sports and keep fit, but they were not trained or expected to fight.
 
deathofrats0808 said:
Even ignoring the fact that only a fraction of Spartan women got any education at all, no, Spartan women were not trained to fight. They were expected to take part in sports and keep fit, but they were not trained or expected to fight.
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I am quite certain they were trained to put down slave rebellions while the men were away in war. You kind of have to know how to fight for that, even if it is not as well as a man.
 
Before I go to bed a quick mock up of the plan for the next turn, just to get the ball rolling

[] Plan Ignition
-[]Lay the foundations
-[] Coin: Gambler: Lay the Foundation
-[] Attempt to bring a non-Order magical tradition into the Waystone Project (To be deterined)
-[] WEB-MAT: Hire someone as a full-time Gyrocopter pilot (Adela)
-[] EGRIMM: Shrine of Manslieb
-[] MAX: Learn Enchanting.
-[] Attempt to capture an Apparition (optional: specify which)rning: Enchanting
-[] Branulhune's ability to disappear and reappear at a thought allows entirely new forms of combat. Continue to work on them.
-[] Write a paper: Start on the Wind Shrooms (1/2)
-[] EIC: Investigate what trade goods the Eonir might be willing to import from the Empire. (NEW)
-[] Seek an agreement with a Cult to have access to their libraries (Verenans)

Reasoning:
  1. We need to get that going and I think the action is important enough that we do want divine luck on our side, a bad roll here could set us back years and we are dealing with people who have not for the most part interacted with others of divergent magical traditions at all, even with all te goodwill in the world there will be challanges. Recall when our Patriarch and Ktragg had it out over the tower and there was just the two of them there
  2. If we get Ice witches automatically we might be able to pivot to Hags, if not we should make use of the witches since we have a lot of ins with them
  3. We have seen now the limits of gyro flying without a pilot can be to our detriment in cases were time is of the utmost importance
  4. Studies into the gods seem to be right up his alley and we might get some insight into him at the same time
  5. This way we can windherd with Gold magic in the future, there are all sorts of useful spells on that list and on top of that it is complementary to his own skills
  6. I am leaving out Johann for this one because Action Points are such that I cannot think of two more such Web-Mat options such that we could get the full benefit of the institution. I think he would be fine left to his own devices in the city for one turn, more so than any of the others because he integrated well
  7. Nazgul? Nazgul. :V More seriously we have seen time and again how we end up in duels where having some reliable back up that it also expendable would be really good and who knows in time we might even expand that with things like Hag lore.
  8. Overwork, because we can do it for free this turn: I think that given the fact that we have been in two duels to the death in the span of six months we shouls spend at least a little time on self-improvement
  9. Since it does not looks like we will see the riders right we should take some care of the backlog, this stuff could save the lives of journeymen of all colleges, not a good as the towers of calamity, but still in the same vein
  10. Sounds like a gun actions and we could always use more of a boost to income
  11. This almost won last turn and by now we will have a decent collection of books to show off, I think we should bite the bullet

Thoughts and sugestins are of course welcome, though I likely will not get around to making any replies before morning
 
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Huh, thinking about it, the Chamberlain of the Seal probably considers Mathilde his greatest asset for improving the external relations of the empire

I mean, the dwarfs are obvious. She's more respected than anyone since Sigmar, and has done more for Empire/Dwarf relations than anyone in centuries. Athel Loren apperantly favors her too. Besides having that magic project thing, they apperantly really wanted to talk to her after their adoptions of Ulric. So that's curious, and depending on what he knows, could be taken as them approaching Middenland because of her. That she managed to get a House in their big city... well, it's quite interesting.

But with this? He'll be looking at Kiselv. Prior, the expedition would've been seen as a way to gain dwarf favor. And to be fair, it did, what with the return of a whole bloody Karak full of em. The declared her a dwarf, and all. But you know, that benefits Kislev as well. I means one of their borders is now quite a bit more secure, and they'd know that (sadly, it's too indirect to trigger the coin, but that doesn't mean she can't gain appreciation the normal way). He probably doesn't know about the chalice, though he might've heard that she's seen quite favorably. But this battle is going to catch his attention.

Mathilde basically turned a brewing hidden danger into the absolutely most clean victory you could expect. And she was involved in every step. Raising the alarm. Gathering the troops. Preparing the battlefield (via scouting). And fighting in the battle. The Kiselvites will respect the hell out of it, and they'll appreciate the Imperiyani actually helping for once, and even unasked for! Mathilde will get her share of the rewards, but as a Lord Magister, she's always also a representative of her college, and the Empire as a whole (especially being from the Grey Order), and that means her action here will reflect on the empire as well.
 
BurnNote said:
Huh, thinking about it, the Chamberlain of the Seal probably considers Mathilde his greatest asset for improving the external relations of the empire

I mean, the dwarfs are obvious. She's more respected than anyone since Sigmar, and has done more for Empire/Dwarf relations than anyone in centuries. Athel Loren apperantly favors her too. Besides having that magic project thing, they apperantly really wanted to talk to her after their adoptions of Ulric. So that's curious, and depending on what he knows, could be taken as them approaching Middenland because of her. That she managed to get a House in their big city... well, it's quite interesting.

But with this? He'll be looking at Kiselv. Prior, the expedition would've been seen as a way to gain dwarf favor. And to be fair, it did, what with the return of a whole bloody Karak full of em. The declared her a dwarf, and all. But you know, that benefits Kislev as well. I means one of their borders is now quite a bit more secure, and they'd know that (sadly, it's too indirect to trigger the coin, but that doesn't mean she can't gain appreciation the normal way). He probably doesn't know about the chalice, though he might've heard that she's seen quite favorably. But this battle is going to catch his attention.

Mathilde basically turned a brewing hidden danger into the absolutely most clean victory you could expect. And she was involved in every step. Raising the alarm. Gathering the troops. Preparing the battlefield (via scouting). And fighting in the battle. The Kiselvites will respect the hell out of it, and they'll appreciate the Imperiyani actually helping for once, and even unasked for! Mathilde will get her share of the rewards, but as a Lord Magister, she's always also a representative of her college, and the Empire as a whole (especially being from the Grey Order), and that means her action here will reflect on the empire as well.
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So what you are saying we need to get the Chamberlin to pay us back pay. But in all seriousness we may want to use the waystone project as a way to backchannel talks among the various powers of the continent. Maybe rub it by the college or best Randal friend.
 
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Phrux said:
Man tho, if we get to roll up to Athel Loren with a captured/the head of Drycha...
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I hate to sound like a broken record, but it is not that easy, not like there is an elf waiting to take us to Ariel on every side of the wood. Stage one would be to even know where to go so we can actually talk to someone and not fall into a magic pit made of sharpened leaves and frozen time. Athel Loren is kind of like the wastes that way, only more leafy and not quite as malignant.
 
DragonParadox said:
Thoughts and sugestins are of course welcome, though I likely will not get around to making any replies before morning
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I really think we should consider recruiting the Damsels. Given how inadvertently successful we've been here, I'd quite like to see if we can roll over some Iron Orcs and beat them up for info with our superior Windsight+Avatar.

If we get them and already have the Ice Witches we'll have all the major magical institutions in the Old World involved save for the Wood Elves of Athel Loren.

And if we're operating in Bretonnia, we might be able to leverage that into an introduction with the Asrai, as I suspect the Fey Enchantress must have diplomatic contact with them.
 
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DragonParadox said:
Before I go to bed a quick mock up of the plan for the next turn, just to get the ball rolling

(snip)

Thoughts and sugestins are of course welcome, though I likely will not get around to making any replies before morning
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There was an option to have Egrimm work on enchanting the Seviroscope, which I think would be a neat thing to do instead of tossing him a random artifact to study.
 
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