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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Back in 6th edition, the basic Daemon Prince that you could buy abilities had the Mark of Chaos Undivided so wasn't devoted to a single god. It was a non-mandatory option for a Daemon Prince to choose to have a Mark of one of the Four, representing that they were one of their specific Champions that had ascended. You didn't need the active sponsorship of a god to ascend, you could revere all (or none if you believe that the truth of chaos that it is one) of the Four and still do so.

This isn't the old lore being somehow replaced. It's just part of the old lore being highlighted in a way that in later books it wasn't.
 
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I will say that the representations of the Chaos Realms in the game seem to me to be quite interesting, and in some cases, funny. For example:
In Slaanesh's realm you go through the Six Circles of Seduction, and each circle Slaanesh gives you a bribe. If you accept it he kicks you out and you can't come back for a few turns, but he gives you absolutely ridiculous buffs and a toooooon of money at the cost of inflicting negaative traits. The temptations are so good that the people playing Early Access are recommending you to take them. But apparently it does something later on in the campaign that can seriously screw you over. I definitely love the way they're playing on Slaanesh's themes by making his bribes genuinely tempting.

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Also, I have to say this. The game is already a 10/10 because of this event:
Ranald approves. Which would you choose?
 
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So, getting back to the quest, what do you guys want to buy for the library this turn?

I don't think the halfling cult will make that much of a difference to our plans. Do we want to back-fill or is there something you guys think we should get for our job? I cannot really think of anything we need, but I could be wrong on that depending on what you guys want to take for the next plan.
 
DragonParadox said:
So, getting back to the quest, what do you guys want to buy for the library this turn?

I don't think the halfling cult will make that much of a difference to our plans. Do we want to back-fill or is there something you guys think we should get for our job? I cannot really think of anything we need, but I could be wrong on that depending on what you guys want to take for the next plan.
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The reason we're not talking much about the quest right now is that nothing we plan out now will have any impact. We have an entire event left for this turn, then a Social turn, before we get a library vote. That's at least a month away. Not to mention the fact that our adventures in Gryphon Wood are likely to be relatively eventful and might change things. I understand the desire to push things up on track, but if I say "I want to back-fill now" I have a very strong feeling by the time we get to the vote I'll have a totally different opinion.
 
Codex said:
I will say that the representations of the Chaos Realms in the game seem to me to be quite interesting, and in some cases, funny. For example:

In Slaanesh's realm you go through the Six Circles of Seduction, and each circle Slaanesh gives you a bribe. If you accept it he kicks you out and you can't come back for a few turns, but he gives you absolutely ridiculous buffs and a toooooon of money at the cost of inflicting negaative traits. The temptations are so good that the people playing Early Access are recommending you to take them. But apparently it does something later on in the campaign that can seriously screw you over. I definitely love the way they're playing on Slaanesh's themes by making his bribes genuinely tempting.

Also:
Also, I have to say this. The game is already a 10/10 because of this event:
Ranald approves. Which would you choose?
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> no option to pet and feed both of them.

0/10, GAME RUINED FOREVER!!!!11
 
Codex said:
The reason we're not talking much about the quest right now is that nothing we plan out now will have any impact. We have an entire event left for this turn, then a Social turn, before we get a library vote. That's at least a month away. Not to mention the fact that our adventures in Gryphon Wood are likely to be relatively eventful and might change things. I understand the desire to push things up on track, but if I say "I want to back-fill now" I have a very strong feeling by the time we get to the vote I'll have a totally different opinion.
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Fair enough, I was more or less thinking that whatever's in the Griffon Wood would be an open and closed case like the affair with Alric, but that could of course change
 
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Fair enough, I was more or less thinking that whatever's in the Griffon Wood would be an open and closed case like the affair with Alric, but that could of course change
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The Gryphon Woods is part of the Forest of Shadows according to Boney, and that is Haletha's domain. Chances are we would likely have the option of interacting with the Hedgefolk. Will we 100% do it? I don't know. Probably not. But we might, and maybe that changes stuff for next turn. Some people have already suggested the possibilities of using whatever we scrounge up in the Gryphon Wood as leverage to crowbar ourselves into the Hedgefolk's social circles. Who knows what'll happen?
 
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The Gryphon Woods is part of the Forest of Shadows according to Boney, and that is Haletha's domain. Chances are we would likely have the option of interacting with the Hedgefolk. Will we 100% do it? I don't know. Probably not. But we might, and maybe that changes stuff for next turn. Some people have already suggested the possibilities of using whatever we scrounge up in the Gryphon Wood as leverage to crowbar ourselves into the Hedgefolk's social circles. Who knows what'll happen?
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I mean sure, i would not be opposed to that, but I am not sure if that would impact the library vote. We already have all the books about their faith we can get (since I do not think elf or dwarf have such). Other that that what impact would the Hedgefolk have? Maybe elf shadow magic books might be relevant as a bribe, but we want those for other reasons regardless and they hinge on convincing the Eonir, since they are of military value.

I am going on the record that all other things being equal I'll go with the back-fill.
 
So who else thinks beastmen in the woods? Or do we have other possible horrors. Because if it is undead I would like to experiment is Mathilde "counter spelling" necromancy.
 
DragonParadox said:
So, getting back to the quest, what do you guys want to buy for the library this turn?

I don't think the halfling cult will make that much of a difference to our plans. Do we want to back-fill or is there something you guys think we should get for our job? I cannot really think of anything we need, but I could be wrong on that depending on what you guys want to take for the next plan.
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I will make an argument that we should continue with getting the stuff on the Elf gods.

A) a full collection will be the only one in human/dwarf academics, which would be a serious boost in Rep when the Library starts as it would be a 'Notable Tomes' that wont be under some level of 'restricted access' unlike most (make that all, aparatally the Cathey maps are not quite Notable Tome level' ) of what we currently have.

B) I want to grab them before the Elf realise that they should up the clearance on those tomes.
 
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Nurgle said:
So who else thinks beastmen in the woods? Or do we have other possible horrors. Because if it is undead I would like to experiment is Mathilde "counter spelling" necromancy.
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The Forest of Shadows is home to a wide variety of horrors, from Vampires, Necromancers, Beastmen, and Chaos to Greenskins and beyond. There are at least two maybe three horrors in the Forest that are beyond our means to deal with, and maybe more depending on if someone is migrating instead of it being a resident. I'm staying positive and assuming it's not Melkhior or Zacharias and hoping for something stealthy but not Empire threatening.
 
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The Forest of Shadows is home to a wide variety of horrors, from Vampires, Necromancers, Beastmen, and Chaos to Greenskins and beyond. There are at least two maybe three horrors in the Forest that are beyond our means to deal with, and maybe more depending on if someone is migrating instead of it being a resident. I'm staying positive and assuming it's not Melkhior or Zacharias and hoping for something stealthy but not Empire threatening.
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I'm crossing my fingers for a dangerously aggressive Griffen moma with eggs.

not going to happen, but i can hope.
 
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The Forest of Shadows is home to a wide variety of horrors, from Vampires, Necromancers, Beastmen, and Chaos to Greenskins and beyond. There are at least two maybe three horrors in the Forest that are beyond our means to deal with, and maybe more depending on if someone is migrating instead of it being a resident. I'm staying positive and assuming it's not Melkhior or Zacharias and hoping for something stealthy but not Empire threatening.
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We might be able to take on Zacharias because he is for no other words totally batshit insane. If it Melkhior we run for it and gather a army to hide behind. Or we could try to play them off each other than try to kill the winner.
 
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As a side note, checking my personal timeline this happened in canon around this year, but it's been completely derailed anyway:

"2488 IC The Battle of Death Pass. Black Orc Warboss Murglum Necksnapper defeats a Bretonnian army at Death Pass."

This is the battle that results in King Phillipe V to end the Errantry War on Greenskins and return to Bretonnia after Morglum said, and I quote, "Let 'em tell da King. Da east belongs to da Orcs. Da east belongs to Morglum. Da east is green."

Well, in DL, the Errantry War ended sooner than in canon, a whole group of Knights Errant turned into Blood Dragons and infested Templehof before being exterminated by the Colleges, and Death Pass is effectively secured by the resurgent Karak Eight Peaks. So, as it turns out, Da East isn't Green.
 
Codex said:
The Forest of Shadows is home to a wide variety of horrors, from Vampires, Necromancers, Beastmen, and Chaos to Greenskins and beyond. There are at least two maybe three horrors in the Forest that are beyond our means to deal with, and maybe more depending on if someone is migrating instead of it being a resident. I'm staying positive and assuming it's not Melkhior or Zacharias and hoping for something stealthy but not Empire threatening.
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As scary as they are, it would be interesting to see how we measure up.

Personally, I'd hope Mathilde learned from her near death experience against Alkharad, and matured a bit more: enough to know when to pull out and come back at the head of an army.
Her getting reanimated and forced into servitude would be a catastrophe for the empire.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
I will make an argument that we should continue with getting the stuff on the Elf gods.

A) a full collection will be the only one in human/dwarf academics, which would be a serious boost in Rep when the Library starts as it would be a 'Notable Tomes' that wont be under some level of 'restricted access' unlike most (make that all, aparatally the Cathey maps are not quite Notable Tome level' ) of what we currently have.

B) I want to grab them before the Elf realise that they should up the clearance on those tomes.
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I mean we are talking about elves, I do not think they are likely to change their minds on any scale that would be relevant to us or to the quest.
 
I distinctly remember the Liber Mortis arguments that raged on for months, and that book explicitly didn't have any traps set on it because it was the memoir of a relatively sane person (at least up to the end). Grimoire Necronium or the Books of Nagash are not that. And Melkhior/Zacharias have access to both.

Chances we read those books are as good as Necromancy faction winning.
 
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I mean we are talking about elves, I do not think they are likely to change their minds on any scale that would be relevant to us or to the quest.
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its still a selling point for the Library, to have the only complete collection of an elf factions Theology. (baring the few cult scerts)

basically, any serious old-world Theolgoest would be interested in having a look, and those that do want to write about the elfs will have to look if they want to have their arguments to have weight.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
its still a selling point for the Library, to have the only complete collection of an elf factions Theology. (baring the few cult scerts)

basically, any serious old-world Theolgoest would be interested in having a look, and those that do want to write about the elfs will have to look if they want to have their arguments to have weight.
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That is a fair point, but it does beg the question, why would having that stuff a turn later matter? If we are just doing this for third parties why not back-fill and impress more third parties than ones with a niche interest in elf gods?
 
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