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It seems to me the way to have done it was to have had Be'lakor literally remolding himself over the course of the game
They wanted to have Be'lakor be the final boss, which is a bit incompatible with having him be a starter character. There is a possibility he's an unlockable character.

BTW, this is a very neat thread detailing all the Cathayan Dragon's names in cantonese and what they mean.

And yes, in case you're wondering, Cathayan understanding of the Winds is incredibly different from the Elven paradigm. Ghur is Wood, and it has very little to do with Beasts. Wood seems to me to be a representation of the Wu Xing Phase of Wood and the Cardinal Direction of East, which refers to Spring, the phase of growth, expansion,, movement and wind. This explains why Yin Yin is so expansionist. She represents the Azure Dragon.

Miao Ying represents the Phase of Water, which refers to Winter, the season of retreat, stillness and coolness. She represents the Black Tortoise of the North and the unbreakable shell of Cathay. Ghyran is therefore the Lore of Water, which Miao Ying is capable of representing in the form of Storms.

Zhao Ming represents the Phase of Metal, which refers to Autumn, the season of harvesting, dryness and collecting (lives in a desert, collects rare materials from the w-warpstone). He represents the White Tiger of the West. His wind of Metal is obviously similar to the West's application, but Metal and Fire have a great resonance in Cathay (as it seems to be the case with Priests of Vaul as well btw).

Li Dao represents the Phase of Fire, which refers to Summer, the season of expanding, flowering and swelling with heat. He represents the Vermillion Bird of the South. Aqshy is the same there as it is here.

Then the biggest difference. Yuan Bo represents the Phase of Earth, the Wind of Azyr. Earth is considered to be the transition between the phases, but in transformative application it represents stability, levelling and dampness. He represents the Cardinal direction of the Center. He is the implacable mountain and the fertile field from which the rest rely on.

Yes, I've been looking up Wu Xing theory all day to make this post. I think GW/CA actually took inspiration from it to make the Dragons and the magic of Cathay. I also didn't even go through everything here. I just felt like making a post because I did a lot of research and I actually liked my interpretation of the new lore.
 
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Why is Azyr connected with Stone again in the East? I recall it being brought up in the past, but it's been a long while and I don't think there is a compilation post list for that kind of content yet.
 
Why is Azyr connected with Stone again in the East? I recall it being brought up in the past, but it's been a long while and I don't think there is a compilation post list for that kind of content yet.
Completely different paradigm. Xen Yang the Dragon Emperor and Quai Yin the Moon Empress had to figure out the winds by themselves with no instructors, so they adapted the winds to their internal philosophies and their belief in harmony and balance, and because they're uneblievably sappy, they based it off their relationship to each other. Heavens or Celestial Magic is not Azyr, it's Yang Magic. Yin Magic is known as Moon magic, the counterpart to the Sun of Yang. Yang is Azyr, Hysh, Aqshy, and Ghyran, so anything you can think of about the Heavens is instead part of Yang in general. (As a counterpart, Yin is Ghur, Shyish, Ulgu and Chamon).

Stone is, in my interpretation, a Wu Xing representation of what I just said, stability and balance. The connecting tissue of Harmony. And apparently, Azyr is what animates the Stone Terracotta Sentinels. Celestial Observatories across Cathay gather energy from the Astromancers and their observations generating Azyr and it all gets sent to the Wu XIng Compass, and then when you build a Celestial Beacon you can send out a signal that animates a Sentinel who recieves it. It's kind of like a pseudo sattelite and receiving dishes or whatever you call them. It's a real hassle to wake those guys up.

Anyways, different paradigm. I'm also pretty sure there are more things to find out, but I'll make a comment on it when I figure things out. I'm having a lot of fun interpreting this.
 
Unless we have a very compelling need for a specific topic when the book turn comes up, I do agree with the sentiment that we want to get on backfilling - having a broad array of material on a ton of topics will be very useful for the health of the library.

That said, I do want to see how both the Forest of Shadows and the Halfling book exchange go before committing to anything.
 
I was hoping to get 'Bad Bitch' vibes from Miao Ying, but I so far just seem to be getting 'Bitch'. Zhao Ming is also fairly menacing and not that affable, but I was both expecting it and his 'youngest kid' complex does make some of his lines amusing.
 
I was hoping to get 'Bad Bitch' vibes from Miao Ying, but I so far just seem to be getting 'Bitch'.
In the intro sequence for Cathay you can hear Miao Ying's voice break from the cold exterior to genuine fondness and love when she's talking about her sister. You can also hear the smug smirk in her voice in her idle phrase "The Dragon Emperor's Favored Daughter". She's condescending and arrogant, but she has personality beyond her aloofness. She's kind of like a cat.
Unless we have a very compelling need for a specific topic when the book turn comes up, I do agree with the sentiment that we want to get on backfilling - having a broad array of material on a ton of topics will be very useful for the health of the library.

That said, I do want to see how both the Forest of Shadows and the Halfling book exchange go before committing to anything.
I'm not sure if we'd actually get a book exchange. Last turn we got the Colleges on board and that gave us an option at the end of turn to get books, but it required KAU acquisition action expenditure so we didn't use it. I imagine same thing will happen here if they accept.
 
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I'm not sure if we'd actually get a book exchange. Last turn we got the Colleges on board and that gave us an option at the end of turn to get books, but it required KAU acquisition action expenditure so we didn't use it. I imagine same thing will happen here if they accept.

I'm going to assume that a lot of this was the fact that its just extending Mathy's rights to the whole organization, I'm expecting outside factions are going to be more tricky. (depending)

I expect getting the right to copy the family histories of the Halflings in K8PS for a reasonable price would be an easy sale, frankly, we would just be saving them the hassle.

but anything else will probably require a big of favour/Gold/Book trading.

In the intro sequence for Cathay you can hear Miao Ying's voice break from the cold exterior to genuine fondness and love when she's talking about her sister. You can also hear the smug smirk in her voice in her idle phrase "The Dragon Emperor's Favored Daughter". She's condescending and arrogant, but she has personality beyond her aloofness. She's kind of like a cat.

Again, not very far in my watching, but one line hinting at a bit of a soft side is not really going to sell it to me. give me at last one pet the dog moment in game!
 
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I think it is entirely possible that the cult does not have anything else of note beyond the genealogies. At the end of the day as cool and often overlooked as the halflings of the moot are there is no real reason for them to gather a lot of lore and hey are above all else a practical people.
 
I think it is entirely possible that the cult does not have anything else of note beyond the genealogies. At the end of the day as cool and often overlooked as the halflings of the moot are there is no real reason for them to gather a lot of lore and hey are above all else a practical people.
Well… they might have a lot of practical lore?

Mathy might not get a lot out of +5 cooking or +5 tilling, But I'm sure someone will get value out of it.
 
Supposedly the halfling are the best farmers in the world. Them gathering tomes on farming would be in character. While farming is not as flashy as magic it is one of the most important things to society
 
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I think it is entirely possible that the cult does not have anything else of note beyond the genealogies. At the end of the day as cool and often overlooked as the halflings of the moot are there is no real reason for them to gather a lot of lore and hey are above all else a practical people.
Maybe that means they would be the type of people to write down what an egg is or what that third table shaker is, and that knowledge will be preserved in a couple hundred years.
 
I think it is entirely possible that the cult does not have anything else of note beyond the genealogies. At the end of the day as cool and often overlooked as the halflings of the moot are there is no real reason for them to gather a lot of lore and hey are above all else a practical people.

I'm not really expecting some super secret amazing loot. I'd be perfectly satisfied with some cookbooks, agriculture primers, and/or leatherworking guides.
 
Well… they might have a lot of practical lore?

Mathy might not get a lot out of +5 cooking or +5 tilling, But I'm sure someone will get value out of it.

I do not think tilling would be its own field, but I'm sure Panoramia would like +5 farming, even if it is mostly just stuff she knows it would allow her to write her masterwork down more easily, sort of like how that one book on the chaos dwarfs is better than just the loose notes and other lore we have on hand.
 
Halflings are also incredibly open about their sexual escapades, so I can guarantee you that they have a Kama Sutra equivalent. The implied stuff that the Halflings get into is kind of funny and I'm also unsure if I can even imply what they do in the Moot.
 
Halflings are also incredibly open about their sexual escapades, so I can guarantee you that they have a Kama Sutra equivalent. The implied stuff that the Halflings get into is kind of funny and I'm also unsure if I can even imply what they do in the Moot.
Oooooh, is Mathilde's unsuitable for public display romance section getting an expansion?
 
Oooooh, is Mathilde's unsuitable for public display romance section getting an expansion?
If the implication is that "romance" is being involved, then no. We're talking pure physicality here. No (romantic) love involved, just carnality. Lots of Halflings end up raised by their clans because the parents didn't really care for the process of parenting, they just wanted to have fun. It's the way things go anyway, which is why Halflings have so many aunts, uncles and cousins that they're only tangentially related to.
 
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I am generally pro backfill, and have advocated for it last purchase turn. However, we might want to get some books on Bretonnia, for reasons which will become apparent when I get around to posting a certain post.
 
If the implication is that "romance" is being involved, then no. We're talking pure physicality here. No (romantic) love involved, just carnality. Lots of Halflings end up raised by their clans because the parents didn't really care for the process of parenting, they just wanted to have fun. It's the way things go anyway, which is why Halflings have so many aunts, uncles and cousins that they're only tangentially related to.
I kinda assumed that "overly vulgar" romance is just a euphemism for straight up porn so it feels like the books you are talking about would fit in.
 
We have literal Skaven and Dark Elf books in our "Romance" section. Somehow, I doubt genuine romance is a hard requirement.
 
I am generally pro backfill, and have advocated for it last purchase turn. However, we might want to get some books on Bretonnia, for reasons which will become apparent when I get around to posting a certain post.
If we only need books on one or two topics and aren't in need of elf books specifically, it's probably more efficient to use our cash money to buy that than to use the library.
 
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