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I really do wonder what the hell the Sorceror's plan would have been if a freaking Verminlord had been rolled.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Arrange a meeting between the Verminlord and Cython?
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Verminlords are Greater Daemons and are subject to instability. I imagine there is some sort of summoning process involved, but if the Sorceror had a plan set in advance for dealing with a Verminlord that he had a deal with, I can imagine some sort of countermeasure being brought up. He doesn't need to defeat the Verminlord so much as destabilise him enough to banish him.
Or maybe he was planning a more mundane betrayal and not an actual backstab. Things like falsified documents and then leaving. Even Skaven arrogance has its limits.
As powerful as greater daemons are they are also daemons and thus subject to daemonic instability, my guess is the sorcerer would have prepared a killing field where they had the advantage and just worn the thing down.
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Cython would have found the verminlord much more easily: there's only so many places something that big can hide.
And Cython, being a Hysh Emperor dragon would have demolished a Vermin Lord.
Hysh is very good at killing demons, as van Horstmann demonstrated.
And Cython, being a Hysh Emperor dragon would have demolished a Vermin Lord.
Hysh is very good at killing demons, as van Horstmann demonstrated.
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If I say that doing something would make me uncomfortable, I'd like for that to be the end of the conversation. You replying to that saying that me not doing it would make you uncomfortable really backs me into a corner where I have to either justify my discomfort, which would involve digging up past experiences with the darker side of fanbase management that I'd really rather stay buried, or unilaterally shut you down and come across as a prick.
Try it and find out.
Dwarves that aren't a member of a Guild with a specific patron are a very small minority of the Karaz Ankor. Off the top of my head I can only think of Farmers and Herders that don't fall into the spheres of any of the seven primary Ancestor Gods.
People who don't have an expectation of secularism acknowledge the other Gods of their pantheon all the time. If they're sick, they pray to Shallya. If they're in a battle, they pray to their war god of choice. If they're lost in the woods, they pray to Taal. And if a loved one died, they pray to Morr. However, there's only one God that they attend the shrine or church of every Festag and try to at least consider following some of the strictures of, that of their patron God.
Wizards, who have an expectation of secularism, do not follow this general rule. They either mostly do not acknowledge any Gods, or they mostly only acknowledge a single God.
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Average of 3d6 is 10.5 (each die actually average 3.5, because you can't get 0) but even so...
I think Rangers would also fall by the wayside unless maybe you can think of them as a sort of warrior. Would that work?
I very much doubt cython would have demolished a verminlord which are on the level or greater than greater demons. They are insanely powerful cython maybe would have won but demolished no way it be no easy fight for cython.
I feel like part of the reason that the white Dwarf is, to his dismay, one priest misguided attement of conversion to Ranlnd(mathy) away from being the Ranger god, is that there is no ranger god.
Personaly, I find it insane that Boney would have to take note for options not taken, for how things could have gone if the die rolled differently or random hypotheticals that MAthilde would have no way to know about. If we wanted to know, we should either have choosen the option or rolled differently.
Also, when the QM tells people to drop it, it's not an invitation to argue. Maybe it's me but you seem to do it constantly man.
Sorry, I know I'm not the first to say similar things but sometimes your endless arguing seem to make things a bit ackward. Perhaps you should ask yourself if it's really needed before writing a post with many direct questions and requests for interaction with the QM.
Irrevocable loss is such a entitled way to say it too, just have fun enjoying the quest and stop sweating the small stuff please.
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Aside from Rangers, there's also the Runescribes Guild which is the home for scholars and historians of the Dwarves and where Loremasters come from. However, I think it's important to note that their most important duties are maintaining the Book of Grudges and Book of Remembrance, so you could make an argument that they can have Grimnir as their patron in his Oathkeeper and Grudge Avenging aspects.
I think you can make an argument for Thungi as well, they would not be his priests, but I think people from runesmith families who are not chosen for training often join the guild.
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I feel sorry for the sedan chair. I doubt it asked for any of this nonsense, and now it's all bisected and probably getting burnt on general suspicion of being Chaos-contaminated.
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How much heresy is too much heresy is a very fun question in this and every other psuedo medieval setting.
Extra spicy with actual gods running around.
I'm guessing the book of remembrance is sort of the inverse of the book of grudges? Good deeds to be repaid and helpful people to be remembered?
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I wonder what would happen if the childbirth would have gotten a better result, or even a crit. Anyone know if that was just how the childbirth went or if Boney also used that roll to determine how skilled/blessed/empowered/whatever the child is?
4 Council Agent / 5 Council Agent (Loyal).
Skaven...
One must wonder what loyal means here. First thought is for the council, but considering he act as an emissary for them that should have been the base assumption. Next is he loyal to whatever the other side there is, which giving skaven politics does not really narrow the options.
I like to think that loyal here is written in contrast to option 4 by being loyal to whatever cause made the Eshin Sorceror assassinate him, with the Eshin not knowing that because all skaven play 4d chess all the time.
Think it would be the most amusing. and fitting for skaven shenanigans for the Sorceror to assassinate the council agent that was sent who was secretly working to with him, to neither side knowledge.
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I mean, maybe, but just because they come from a Runesmithing family doesn't mean their job has to do with him. Thungni is the Ancestor God of Runesmithing and his entire domain is about Runesmithing. Writing stuff down is not technically his domain, even if it is essential for the actual enchanting. Exhibit number one being Runesmiths practically never writing their lore down.
Valaya in her aspect of civilisation and community or Grimnir in the Oathkeeping aspect are a bigger connection, and both of those are pretty vague already. I don't think you can fit Thungni in there.
Grimnir is patron of warriors in general, rather than the specific kind of warriors referred to as capital-W Warriors, so Rangers would still fall under Grimnir's aegis along with every other kind of Dwarven infantry.
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Valaya is said to have invented the Khazalid alphabet, so she'd be the patron of Runescribes.
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Either awful or Mechanical is fine, I use both as internet handles depending on the site.
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It should be noted that the Guild descriptions comes from 1st Edition WFRP Stone and Steel, but it's probably the most in depth individual level look at Dwarfs from a non army perspective, so people take a lot of the lore from it, and aspects of it are still picked up by modern day sources, if modified so that stuff like Dwarf Necromancy isn't ported over. Even Boney picks up some stuff from Stone and Steel occasionally (most of what is available of Gazul is from the book, and so is the Order of the Stone Wall which has been mentioned at least twice in quest).
2E does not expand on those books, but 4E goes back and explains it again. A reminder that as it's 4th Edition, it's pick and choose rather than DL canon:
"The elder is responsible for maintaining the clan's Book of Grudges (Dammaz Kron), removing grudges where settled, and adding new entries whenever a new grudge is forged. The elder also keeps a number of other tomes in their possession. One is the Book of Remembrance (Zagaz Kron) which records the deeds and acts of renown by clan ancestors as well as living clan members. Updating the Book of Debt (Skuld Kron) which details the debts of the clan and erases those that have been settled also falls to the elder. Lastly, the elder maintains the Book of Ancestors (Gromthi Kron) which delineates the ancestral line of the clan to the present generation." Page 51 Archives of the Empire 4E
As can be seen, Boney already uses a different word for the Book of Debt in the form of the Dalaz Kron, which has been mentioned by Belegar in the K8P Sword Ceremony. Also, it should be noted that that paragraph is mentioning Imperial Dwarves, which is why a single Elder is in charge of updating all four books. A more established Hold Dwarf clan likely has dedicated Runescribes and Loremasters instead of just an Elder to do it.
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I vividly remember that roll solely for option #1, which could have possibly fucked up the entire thing.
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"Is this heretical?"
"Well, it could be more heretical."
The amusing (and entirely fitting) thing it is that 4 is "Council Agent" and 5 is "Council Agent (Loyal)"
The takeaway being that disloyal is default
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Going by canon depictions of dwarfs, I guess book of debts makes more sense from their perspectives then something like book of favours or book of boons or etc, owning something isn't a good thing in anyway or be thankful for, just something that needs to be fix as soon as possible.
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