K von Carstein
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5 years ago I was 18, and I've changed so much in this time that my past self wouldn't recognise me😁
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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This should be called the Regimand arc. More interactions as flavor text please.
Makes sense. While I'm not sure it's intentional, the current circumstances still benefit him in that it buys him time. Assuming again that Hunting lodge Unfaghirs are prioritized.
Stirlander sounds like a trap. My read on her was that she had her set of moral codes and sticks to it. Alric on paper is the best man for this job, better than us even. She has no inclination to help us when our given reason is for politics. We can hardly keep her from Alric either, so seems bad in the long run.
Renogitiate is greed and I like it better than plundering. But I don't know if it's depreciating so it's weird as a priority. If the ritual is bigger than it is we should cash out even later even. We still don't know the point of this ritual, petty and poetic revenge? Another demonic portal? Who knows?
Think hunting lodge should be a priority though, they're one of the biggest source of information right now. More than the books probably.
Lets look a little bit ahead, shall we?
We have 8 weeks until the next murder. That's 8 actions. We're doing 3 actions/weeks now, but what about the remaining 5?
I don't think we need to bring in additional help on this—Regimand and Mathilde can handle anything short of a greater demon between them, and Alric can handle that. So that rules out the recruitment actions.
I'm honestly not sure how much information the survivors will have, unless one of them had personal interactions with Alberich that lend us some key insight or witnessed a manifestation? Actually, that might be useful, so lets hold onto that for a moment. That leaves us investigating chaos itself as our key actions.
So here's a rough frame work of what the next few turns should look like:
weeks 1-3: building up our knowledge of the murders
weeks 4-6: deepening our understanding of chaos and the victims
weeks 7-8: stopping the murderer
week 9+: oops we failed lets try again
So in the next turn vote, interrogate or approach the hunting lodge, investigate Alberich's form, and either underworld turbulence or chaos vengeance? The former would be useful for the future, but the latter useful now I suspect?
Does that sound reasonable to people?
also i kinda want to do the plunder action just because
We have 8 weeks until the next murder. That's 8 actions. We're doing 3 actions/weeks now, but what about the remaining 5?
I don't think we need to bring in additional help on this—Regimand and Mathilde can handle anything short of a greater demon between them, and Alric can handle that. So that rules out the recruitment actions.
I'm honestly not sure how much information the survivors will have, unless one of them had personal interactions with Alberich that lend us some key insight or witnessed a manifestation? Actually, that might be useful, so lets hold onto that for a moment. That leaves us investigating chaos itself as our key actions.
So here's a rough frame work of what the next few turns should look like:
weeks 1-3: building up our knowledge of the murders
weeks 4-6: deepening our understanding of chaos and the victims
weeks 7-8: stopping the murderer
So in the next turn vote, interrogate or approach the hunting lodge, investigate Alberich's form, and either underworld turbulence or chaos vengeance? The former would be useful for the future, but the latter useful now I suspect?
Does that sound reasonable to people?
Current plan is 3-3-2, but that's subject to change if anything wonky happens.
Er... who?
See this post.
The Stirlander would already have information about Alberich's life and fate, at the cost of college favour and having another person who could find out our secrets (although I don't think she would have any particular reason to suspect something). She also has experience fighting Chaos, and we haven't had many opportunities to work with other Greys.
[X] Plan Proper Planning Prevents Petulant Patriarchs
-[X] Renegotiate with Mira
-[X] Bring in someone else: "The Stirlander"
-[X] Research: Murder Rituals
I mean we could probably do with more money, we have been running sort of dry, but I do not feel comfortable playing quite that fast and loose with the spirit of the Vow of Poverty. Ultimately it is not about poverty, nor I think even about morality, it is about the nobility of the Empire not wanting their wealth to be redistributed into the pockets of Grey Wizards.
Under that standard well Dieter's kin count as citizens and nobles of the empire so so matter if our fellow wizards might agree that they should be robbed if this ever comes to light it will be a mess in the long term. Best to keep our nose clean.
Under that standard well Dieter's kin count as citizens and nobles of the empire so so matter if our fellow wizards might agree that they should be robbed if this ever comes to light it will be a mess in the long term. Best to keep our nose clean.
Pretty sure that by the Articles all Grey Wizards under our rank would be bound to defer to Mathilde (or to another LM) before someone from another College (other than Dragomas as Supreme Patriarch).
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[x] Plan Renegotiation
Otherwise known as 'play along or you will be reassigned to Antarctica with the Chaos Penguins'
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How do you think he manages to do that as a universally disliked and incompetent fuck up.
Good point. I didn't think about it well enough.
Getting the Supreme Patriarchy two more times and thus holding the record up till the point that Dragomas broke it is not really a steady decline.
And yes he's stubbornly clinging to power. But he actually manages to cling to it somehow, successfully until recently. And Patriarch of the Light Order isn't some petty office job.
Anyway, I never argued that he is a good Patriarch or that teaming up with him will be a fun experience. Just that he is in all likelihood one of the most skilled Light Wizards alive, at least in some of the skills traditionally admired by his peers.
We didn't literally feel Ranald's influence back when he sent us the "please don't" letter iirc. If Ranald influenced the time that Regimand needed through the application of divine magic then it would most likely have been in some place far from Mathilde's physical position.
In any case, we know Ranald didn't do it that way. Ranald did it by manipulating Boney's dice rolls. Wether that happened at Boney's physical desk or at a server room hosting an online dice roller, Mathilde has no way of seeing that.
IRL successful investigations aren't all undercover spy vs spy affairs. Investigators can find out plenty and catch people without themselves having to hide. I'm pretty sure the Light Order excels at that kind if investigation where they visit crime scenes and interrogate people with the help of magic until they know exactly where to go and who to blast to drive the daemonic corruption back into the Aethyr. And I expect Alric to be good at it the way other abrasive asshole TV inspectors are.
No source at all. If you think that the Light Order is a garbage organization that would have let literally anyone boss them around if not for Mira stepping in. Mira who is also so mediocre that she let herself be muscled out again by Alric even after people finally understood how bad he is and chose her to rule over them instead. Alric is also a shit duelist. Only won the Arcane Duel for the title of Patriarch three times. All of those were probably flukes against people who wanted to stop being Supreme Patriarchs anymore. And once Alric won people just shrugged and let that stand. He definitely didn't have people standing in line to deny him the post, what with his reputation as an ignorable and comfortable boss, right?
Come on!
This on the other hand is a point worth considering.
Yeah, I alluded to that myself. I still feel like it would be fun and helpful in the future to meet Okri Q Dickhead. Just to get a feel for how far he's willing to go and what it means to be a Journeyman Runesmith with a shaky reputation.
I ask because it's not a philosophy I believe in as a player. If I have an idea or a rules clarification that my DM would find worth considering then I trust them enough that I think giving that to them will make for a fairer and more exciting, even if it has a good chance of making things harder. Because it provides extra tools to the person who I trust and who is doing the hardest job.
I don't do it much with you because your ideas are already comprehensive and better than mine, but I won't censor myself because I'm worried that you'll use it against us. If you do it's because it shows have been used against us.
But I have failed multiple times already to respect your personal lines (though luckily I didn't go too much over) so I thought I'd ask and maybe improve myself a tiny bit.
By the way, given the speculated murder timeline, how many months away are a) the last mundane death and b) whatever the killer has planned to represent Alberich being sucked into the Warp? Because I have this scary theory that this whole thing is leading up to a portal being opened in the then ruling Unfähiger's face that spits out one or more Daemons violent enough to make Alberich's fate look like someone falling down some stairs in comparison.
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Welp, new chapter dropped. Now I have to clean up this post of stuff made irrelevant by that. Still posting this before reading the actual chapter.
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Boney, I'm a little confused about something: are we dropping actions from our turnplan in order to make time for this investigation? My impression of the timeline so far is that we've spent a week in things, and three weeks more would take us to the end of our allotted action for this, but people are talking about this as though we have the full eight weeks until the next murder. Or is this a case where I shouldn't poke at the abstraction and you're letting us have the time for this because e.g. there's no effin way that it took a month to walk into Oldenlitz, ask "you in?" and be told "sure"?
(Basically, I'm wondering how heavily we should be weighting "a chance of wrapping this up within the next three weeks so we can go home and get to the next thing on our to-do.")
(Basically, I'm wondering how heavily we should be weighting "a chance of wrapping this up within the next three weeks so we can go home and get to the next thing on our to-do.")
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Oof. Didn't expect him to be missing us this much. Now I feel bad for not visiting. How many years has it been? And when we did, was it ever longer than a short meet?
Given the timeline, are there any murders that probably happened after Alric got in contact with the Unfähigers? I want to know if he already had a failure on this job or not.
How will this work in tandem with the fact that a) we have our turn full with actions and don't plan to overwork and b) there being another mission with mini-turns waiting for us in this same six month turn? Especially since you already resolved all of our other actions with strain AP cost.
One suggestion would be to allow us to push the Gryphon Woods to next turn if we want to. Another to simply let us go over turn if we want to and subtract AP as already spent.
Is there any conceivable way to do this with either a) Regimand not knowing we brought the Empress in or b) not knowing that it was our idea instead of her asking to be included due to being a Haupt-Anderssen?
This being a "favor to Mira" makes it quite hard to justify her involvement.
I don't think doing this is smart right now. But I'd like to do it if we fail to prevent the third to last murder.
@Boney could we get a comprehensive timeline of the Haupt-Anderssen demises and maybe a description of what the upcoming murder would be paralleling?
Personally I am not really interested in wasting time on this. But maybe there are voters more devout to that aspect of our god, so I'll ask anyway. If we investigate Krieglitz Manor, will we also get a rough accounting of the riches potentially up for grabs, so that we have a better idea just how worth plundering it would be some point later in the investigation?
There one kind of action I am missing and that would be doing the job Mira asked us to do. I.e. investigating Alric.
To be more specific about how that would look, I'd like an action to retrace his steps, see who he talked to in his own investigations and generally try to find out everything he knows about this without actually approaching him.
Would this be a free action after renegotiating with Mira? Or would it take another week to get them here?
Because recruiting them smoothly needing 2 AP is very costly.
My pretense being she would chafe under the suggestion of us technically sabotaging ourselves by not allying with Alric. Doubt she'd go Rambo or disobey us. But the questions it'd make around us would be inconvenient.
I'm sure it won't let us double dip. The loot is in their vaults and false bottoms and fake rooms. They probably didn't die there, so we'll be inspecting the sites and that's it.
Oh, I didn't see this the first time round. That's 15 weeks until Alberich finishes his grand plan. That's plenty of time, we'll have this wrapped up well before then.
She is still an apprentice and we are a LM, telling her to shut up about Alric because we say so is a perfectly valid way to cut off any and all questions. Regimand is our equal by virtue of being Mathilde's former master, a perpetual apprentice whom we pay in college favor is nothing of the sort.
She's a highly respected specialist and the greys have a fluid hierarchy based on experience, seniority and expertise.
We don't get to throw our authority around without consequence, and pissing off your fellow wizards in the same order is a consequence I want to avoid as much as possible.
NeonLights
Formerly Reliable_2IC
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10/10 would invest in a Regimand REIT.
10/10 would invest in a Regimand REIT.
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Those murders haven't happened yet, we're working to prevent them.
And we are a Lady Magister, more to the point one who paid her in favor. She can always refuse or leave if she does not like the investigation. The one thing she cannot do is question us if we do not allow it.
The hierarchy is fluid but it also works on a need to know basis.
A Lady Magister can make decisions without explaining every nuance to a Perpetual Apprentice no matter how experienced and talented said apprentice might be.
Mathilde doesn't regularly debate Grey College policies with Algard and the distance between Algard and Mathilde is far lesser than that between Mathilde and a Perpetual.
