Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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If Mathilde recruits a Damsel or whatever after doing the foundation action and the Damsel says 'btw, Waystones are actually sentient, this one is named Frank', and then the Waystone says 'hello, I am Frank', that's the sort of thing that would require a rethinking of the base assumptions of the Project. If they just know things about Waystones that, while novel, broadly agree with the conclusions available to all of the previously-involved parties, they can be brought into the Project without having to completely redo the foundational action.
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I still don't understand how the benefits of taking Egrimm to investigate Alric could be worth the risk. Even if we discount the fact that he signed up with us to get away from politics, what if Alric has some obscure spell or artifact to track him, or he messes up or feels compelled to reveal himself due to moral reasons?
Worst case, Alric figures out we're there to mess with him, declares an imminent threat to the Empire, commandeers Egrimm away from us and uses his assistance to score a big win, and it only gets worse from there.
Worst case, Alric figures out we're there to mess with him, declares an imminent threat to the Empire, commandeers Egrimm away from us and uses his assistance to score a big win, and it only gets worse from there.
Egrimm doesn't have to be out in the field knocking on doors to assist. Where he might get found out. We can have him hang back and used as a resource to get inside Alric's head.
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Boney's put the AP part to rest at least - I don't think it'll be more than one when many contributors won't require a refounding at all.
3 Daughter options? Sure.
The Lady: Strong feelings about Ranald, Protector goddess (of the weak), a society built on polite deceptions, Chalice imagery
Haletha: Hedgefolk splintered off from Ranald-worshipping hedgefolk, Protector goddess
Verena: Protector goddess (of knowledge), V symbology
And that's just sticking with the human goddesses.
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I still like the Sisters of Twilight theory.
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Sticking up for investigating the Woods with Johann and Alric with Egrimm. AP efficient with WEBMAT, and they're both qualified for the jobs.
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I mean you have three disconnected goddesses... I am just not seeing how that is in any way a strong contender for a set of twins. I mean we already know three things about the Daughters:
- They are female, yup all the above check that criteria
- They are sisters... welp I am not seeing any pairs
- They take from something of the nature of their parents... not seeing strong connections there. At most you have 'protection' which basically every order god does on some level because that is what they are worshiped for. By those standards Ulric would be a strong contender if only you gender-flipped him. He too is a protector of wolves.
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While not wrong, I want to once again bring up the fact that Halétha has more than that going for her:
In addition to what you said, she has a connection to shadow magic like Ranald does, Walther Kupfer offers a connection to stealing, and she has a connection to fertility (that is even stronger now that Haleth the Goddess of fertility is likely to be an aspect of her). Also from the book on minor Gods is the fact that the symbols on the coin might represent fertility and/or trees, both of which Halétha is connected to.
That is a very strong connection to Ranald, and a slight connection to Shallya, which is exactly what we're looking for, and I still maintain that no other candidate comes close. Yes, the sister is not clear right now (though I suppose it could still be Haleth, maybe?) but it's not obvious that the two sisters are publicly known to be sisters.
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@Boney would it be possible to do both:
[ ] JOHANN: Write a paper: Observations of Johann's prosthetic arm (FRESH)
[ ] EGRIMM: Write a paper: Observations of Johann's prosthetic arm (FRESH)
as a single action?
We have a lot of obligations, both explicit and implied, this turn. We need to do the two investigations. We need to either start the project with Lay The Foundations or recruit more.
Something to note is that we had Max do a thing last turn so we can leave him to his own devises this turn without negative consequence.
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Why would the Daughters have to be twins? Why would they have to be openly sisters at all - they're already hiding major familial connections to Ranald and Shallya.
Protection is a good fit as both a Ranaldian aspect and also, in many cases, a respect for life/the weak for Shallya. It comes up a lot because it's a pretty common aspect in one form or another. I don't think Ulric has "protector of wolves" as an aspect though, it's just "wolves".
You're probably right about Verena though, sub in one of the other candidates.
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As soon as we try to investigate Alric in non-public areas, the protection goes away:
I think it'll be much safer to use The Gambler, since we're going to want to get very close into Alric's personal business. And as a former Supreme Patriarch and a Light magister, he likely has counters to some of the Grey college's spellbook. The last thing we want is for Alric to spot Mathilde the second she sneaks in to some private property. So I'd rather have The Gambler here to try and cover any possible mistakes or angles Mathilde isn't prepared for. Normal sneaking-in-a-human-city stuff is something she's already great at, but investigating Supreme Patriarchs is a lot riskier than that.
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Aranfan
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I wonder what an Ulgu ascension winds up like.
Welp, now you've done it Boney. I give it maybe three days before the thread starts shipping Frank with Johann.
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The gambler can help with the infiltration but risks alerting Alric that Mathilde is investigating him thus allowing him to take preemptive precautions against her. The main advantage of Night Prowler is that mathilde can spend as long as she wants exploring the city and figuring out what's happening with Alric without him even knowing she's there.
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It's easy to confuse them since they're both shiny.
Only if she limits herself to being completely passive. If she wants to look for more interesting secrets than simply Alric's comings and goings, she'll have to break the cover given by the Night Prowler, and given her past performances she'll likely do so without asking us for permission first.
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Max actions are from this, would be a waste to not order him around.
These are some stupid questions. To have 1 criteria be female then the next one be sisters is pretty stupid. The third is fair. The daughters being twins is not a truth, but it's a fair assumption. It's probably rhetorical, but a stupid question if not. They don't have to be openly be sisters, but you'll have more problems searching for the daughters by inflating the pool of candidates then basing your guesses on individual goddesses.
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Outrageous. I have higher standards than that.
Give me seven days and I'll make a Frank x Johann omake.
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My point is if Mathilde uses the Night Prowler when she does break its protection she can do so with the most possible knowledge and completely assured that Alric is unaware of her presence it also provides a safety net if something goes wrong allowing her blend back into city with a protection Alric won't expect from a grey and is unlikely to be able to counter. The gambler can't guarantee us that and I think that is worth more than a pair of +20s.
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I don't appreciate being called stupid; I shall assume you have chosen your words poorly, rather than insulted me.
There is absolutely no indication that the sisters are twins, it's not a "fair assumption."
Your last point isn't coherent, but guessing at what you mean: the pool of Daughters candidates is not particularly large, and so throwing out most of the candidates seems unwise. (I am confused because you appear to be simultaneously trying to say that each goddess should be judged individually instead of by such broad strokes, thereby contradicting yourself, but again the point being made here is incoherent.)
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[] Plan Odd Choices
-[] MAX: Study an artefact: Books and rubbings from an Asur explorer of Lustria and the Southlands
-[] WEB-MAT: Investigate Alric with one or more members of WEB-MAT (JOHANN)
--[] COIN: The Gambler
-[] WEB-MAT: Investigate Gryphon Wood with one or more members of WEB-MAT (EGRIMM)
-[] Personally scrutinize a Waystone as thoroughly as you possibly can.
-[] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
-[] Explore one of the Wards of Laurelorn: Frost
-[] EIC: Investigate what trade goods the Eonir might be willing to import from the Empire.
-[] LIBRARY: Set up a no-questions-asked bounty system for books within the Cult of Ranald
-[] SERENITY: Write a paper: Windsoak Mushrooms book 1/2
This is a plan that makes a few odd choices, less in the hopes of gaining your vote and moreso trying to prompt discussion and maybe get us to do an action or two different from how we'd normally approach them. From the top:
-[] MAX: Study an artefact: Books and rubbings from an Asur explorer of Lustria and the Southlands
-[] WEB-MAT: Investigate Alric with one or more members of WEB-MAT (JOHANN)
--[] COIN: The Gambler
-[] WEB-MAT: Investigate Gryphon Wood with one or more members of WEB-MAT (EGRIMM)
-[] Personally scrutinize a Waystone as thoroughly as you possibly can.
-[] Lay the foundations: work with the current members of WEB-MAT and the Waystone Project to build a single unified framework for understanding the Waystones.
-[] Explore one of the Wards of Laurelorn: Frost
-[] EIC: Investigate what trade goods the Eonir might be willing to import from the Empire.
-[] LIBRARY: Set up a no-questions-asked bounty system for books within the Cult of Ranald
-[] SERENITY: Write a paper: Windsoak Mushrooms book 1/2
This is a plan that makes a few odd choices, less in the hopes of gaining your vote and moreso trying to prompt discussion and maybe get us to do an action or two different from how we'd normally approach them. From the top:
- The books and rubbings from the Asur explorer are nearly exactly the kind of artefact Max is interested and experienced in working with.
- It's easy for us to forget, but last time we saw his stats Johann had 19 Intrigue, and 20 Diplomacy. He's not just a punch-wizard but actually quite multidisciplinary, with high stats in every field. I think he'd be perfect for helping us do the more mundane side of investigating Alric: He very much knows how to sneak around and keep his head down while charming people to find out while Alrick's doing publicly, while Mathile goes in close for the high-risk sneaking and such.
- And on the other side of things, I think it's an awful idea to ask Egrimm to spend more time around his former master. Egrimm wants nothing do to with Alric, and we'll be undermining the new authority he's gained by asking him to get close enough to investigate the person he... dislikes the most. So know what'll be fun, instead? Going off into an adventure to investigate a mystery and (hopefully) go blow up some evil woodland conspiracy or similar.
- The next three actions are your standard "doing the Waystone job" actions: We give a Waystone our personal stink-eye so they know what's up, throw the switch on the Project now we've got a good baseline to build our foundations off of, and try to get in contact with the very pretty forest-person who recruited us for this Project in the first place.
- Unless there's some investigation stop we haven't thought of yet, we'll likely want to see how we can integrate the Laurelorn and the Empire with trade.
- Our Library currently lacks prestige. And it's still relatively quite small, as we haven't taken any "backfill" actions yet. So, why not try and see if we can snag some rare, prestigious books while we're arguably still too early for the other choices? This has the potential to backfire some, sure, but on the other hand it combined two of Mathilde's passions: Ranaldian mischief, and books.
- The paper is cuz I simply want to get the mushrooms book out to the Colleges, where it might help some apprentices and someone else can do the work to figure out the missing Chamon and Shyish mushrooms. But I'm not opposed to doing Johann's prosthetic arm either.
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I really don't understand how you can think that's a mark against a potential daughter. We're explicitly looking for goddesses who have a mother and father but haven't publicized that fact, so why would you assume they'd be public about having a sister either?
For sure, if we know such and such goddess have a known sister, like Hekarti, then that's a point in their favour, but not having one isn't in any way disqualifying.