Remove ads

Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
Reader mode
BoneyM said:
Authorial intent was to highlight that to Kazador, a son going to war and a daughter going to meet an eligible royal bachelor has the same dress code. But if someone wants to read it as Kazador fully loving and supporting his genderqueer child I've got no problem with that.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
...I literally never got that impression even from skimming the discussion until just now, and it still doesn't feel like that.
 
DarknessSmiles said:
Good news! We have this nifty new amulet that makes people believe our lies. We can just say we never figured out how to unlock the box.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

If we read it we can use the coin to convince people we didn't, if we don't they'll probably assume we did and the coin won't help as we'd be telling the truth. We have even more reason to read it now. [edit: Grey Magister'd]

[x] This wealth is the future of Karak Eight Peaks. Stay here with the Hoard.
 
Last edited:
With regards to using the Deceiver aspect of the coin to lie about the Liber Mortis, while we will be guaranteed to sell the lie to whoever we tell, that doesn't mean that the people who hear our lie from the person we told will believe it is true. In other words, even if we lie to a single Grey magister, that doesn't mean the entire college will believe it.

[x] This wealth is the future of Karak Eight Peaks. Stay here with the Hoard.
 
Garlak said:
Better to tell the truth and eat some amount of consequence, rather than lie and risk really really bad consequences.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
The part thats been very very repeatedly missed is that telling the truth gives really really bad consequences as it is.

In short the actually intelligent thing to do is to keep the book in the nondescript, unremarkable box and never tell a soul until and unless we have personally verified that they can be trusted to keep the trust.
 
You do realize that it's entirely possible for us to just... Never tell the colleges about the book or having read it, right? We could read it, learn more theory, and then stash the book somewhere safe like Van Hal did.

As long as we don't develop some sort of magic that's obviously linked to Necromancy, we should be fine. Just using the book as a theory boost isn't a huge security issue.
 
[x] This wealth is the future of Karak Eight Peaks. Stay here with the Hoard.
Garlak said:
I think it's just better to tell the truth. Sure, they might be suspicious anyway (but they're the Grey College; they're always suspicious anyway (or they think we pulled a memory gambit, like I said) or take some measures but... That's all. They'll only be suspicious of us and some base level of concern from them. There might be some consequences, sure, but... I don't think it'll be awful. (Also, it's possible that they'll believe that we're telling the truth. Especially if they go as far as to read our mind about it.)

By contrast, what are the risks to lying about it and getting caught? Well, they find out that Mathilde did read it and then decided to lie about it. The outcome of that is probably worse than just the baseline level of suspicion if we told the truth in the first place.

Better to tell the truth and eat some amount of consequence, rather than lie and risk really really bad consequences.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Or, and hear me out here, even though this going to sound real crazy: We just do what Abelhelm did, and tell no one that we have the book. I mean, he only managed to keep the book safe for several years, and give it to us without anyone knowing.

Ultimately, complicated plans are for idiots. The first rule of the Liber Mortis is we do not talk about the Liber Mortis.
 
Last edited:
065tdsa said:
Or, and hear me out here, even though this going to sound real crazy: We just do what Abelhelm did, and tell no one that we have the book. I mean, he only managed to keep the book safe for several years, and give it to us without anyone knowing.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
And he was definitely being investigated, too. He was an Elector Count from a suspicious family, he was replacing a suspicious person, and he was involved in various conspiracy-bullshit things.
 
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but how about we just destroy the book? Can we? and if so, why not?
 
Guile said:
Let's all just take a moment to appreciate that when something fucking weird happens, Kragg now thinks 'probably that fucking wizard.' And he's RIGHT.

I don't think we can deny that among the Expedition, we are now That Guy. If dwarves had memes...
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

50 years later...

King Belegar is watching his dwarfs clash with the Chaos hordes when the leading sorcerer's gaudy silk tent went up in screaming hellfire.

"I didn't know Mathilde was here!" Ulthar shouted in surprise.

Tectonic plates shiver as Kragg grinds his teeth.
 
Captainwolf said:
With regards to using the Deceiver aspect of the coin to lie about the Liber Mortis, while we will be guaranteed to sell the lie to whoever we tell, that doesn't mean that the people who hear our lie from the person we told will believe it is true. In other words, even if we lie to a single Grey magister, that doesn't mean the entire college will believe it.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Also it seems like a really, really bad idea to use mental manipulation on the organization that specializes in, among other things, mental manipulation?
 
@BoneyM

Is it possible to use our healing artefact and the Coin in battle (if the battle is the result of a normal turn) to convince an enemy to break or give up by letting them kill us, coming back to life and lying to their face that we are immortal?
 
065tdsa said:
Or, and hear me out here, even though this going to sound real crazy: We just do what Abelhelm did, and tell no one that we have the book. I mean, he only managed to keep the book safe for several years, and give it to us without anyone knowing.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Maybe if he did more than just hide it he'd still be here

wrecksalot said:
didn't abelheim imply that he wanted us to read it?
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
You can definitely read his words to give that impression, yes.
 
Better hurry King Kazador, by the way the Lord of Luck favors Belegar, youll be seven kind of fools if you arrive late to the party.

Always warms my heart to see dwarven spirit moves like an unstopable boulder.
 
Talking about what we're going to train/learn from the books and such isn't worth it right now we're potentially months real time away from getting back to those kind of actions and whilst I'm all for reading through the Necromancy tome to see what we can pilfer and adapt for our own magical abilities we also have the snake juice to examine. Honestly I'm surprised we have gone a lot deeper in researching that given that as an enchanter that gives us the ability to make high magic grade gear.
 
Akasha said:
@BoneyM

Is it possible to use our healing artefact and the Coin in battle (if the battle is the result of a normal turn) to convince an enemy to break or give up by letting them kill us, coming back to life and lying to their face that we are immortal?
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

You could try but it seems less reliable than about twenty other ways I can think of for Mathilde to get someone to break or give up.
 
Akasha said:
@BoneyM

Is it possible to use our healing artefact and the Coin in battle (if the battle is the result of a normal turn) to convince an enemy to break or give up by letting them kill us, coming back to life and lying to their face that we are immortal?
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
no need to die beforehand, just say "I am immortal" and they will believe that we believe that.
 
veekie said:
Abelheim trusted us to use it or hide it well. Its been passed down the Van Hal family for generations and he seems to have not trusted his daughter to take it(or he'd have just told us to deliver the box to her instead)
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
I think it's more that he wanted to give his children a chance to stay away from the Van Hal way of life, which dumping an ancient family artifact on top of them runs counter to.
 
Remove ads
Four-Way Split
  • Apocrypha
    • Huh, y'know, everyone seems to think rolling four means Ranald got to keep all that filthy lucre he pulled from Gork and Mork, but I wonder...

    Ranald owes several gods a great debt. And this...

    This might just go a ways to paying them off.

    ...

    A Four Way split is never all to one side.

    For the First Split, to Shallya. Dearest Shallya, whom Ranald loved so long ago, and who loved him in return. He played a terrible trick on her to win his godhood, and that requires far more than mere money to be made right. But Power...

    Throughout the Old World, a quiet sound is heard. As though a Dove is startled into flight. And in the heart of the great Temple Hospital of Altdorf, an ancient mural now bears the slightest of smiles.

    ...

    The Second split is more contentious, though perhaps only for priests. Though he is only slightly older than him, Sigmar rules the Empire throughout. Without him, the Empire would never have truly been formed as it is. And Ranald would never have met his one true lady love.

    And so the Second Split goes to Him.

    Across the Empire, priests of the Hammer God take a breath. And for a single moment, the Hammer around there necks shines with a momentary light.

    It is a small thing, but for the first time, Ranald pays his dues to the Emperor. And this is Noticed.

    .....

    The Third Split is less contentious, if more difficult to deliver. The Gods of Dwarves do not care for Thieves or Scoundrels, and to them Ranald goes in his guise as the Protector, for in truth that is the Only way he may speak to them without issue.

    One fourth of the take he grants to them, Smednir taking full accounts while Grimnir glares, Axe held ready. Vallaya looks upon Ranald with some displeasure for his past deeds, but here at least he treads with noble intent.

    When the Smith god finishes counting and agrees it to be one fourth of the take, Grimnir lowers his axe slightly and gives to Ranald a slightly lessened glare. And a single nod, to a less angry Grungni.

    And in the depths of Kharag Llhune, a once defiled temple shakes. When it is done, the few dwarfs around to hear the shaking come in and are surprised to find the temple swept clean. An empty canvas, made ready anew.

    ...

    As for the fourth Split?

    Well...

    Can't be giving away All his loot, now can he?

    Smiling, Ranald kicks back and relaxes on the massive pile of jade that he now calls his own.
     
    Last edited:
  • Apocrypha
    • Reader mode
    You must login or register to reply here.
    Remove ads
    Back
    Top