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...in a good way or a bad way?
I'm not the one you asked this question to, but I will answer nonetheless. I do think your Dwarfs bear a significant similarities to the Dwarves in canon, but better. I've always loved reading your interpretation because it's much less exaggerated and far more relatable. I can understand the concept of grudges and oaths and all those things very well, but the extremes that canon Dwarfs go to are barely understandable to me. Your Dwarfs on the other hand, are incredibly relatable and understandable. I can always relate to them.

And beyond that you do an absolutely amazing job presenting a wide variety of perspectives, showing that while Dwarfs are different, they're still people, and I greatly appreciate that. It's part of what I love about this story, and I've read a bunch of WHF stories after DL, and I haven't liked the Dwarfs in any of them as much as I do in DL.

Now, to get to the update:
Tor Lithanel has very many open green areas, but the Agora is foremost of them all. Located at the centre of the city and flanked on one side by the Queen's Silver Tower and on the other by the Temple of Asuryan, the only break in the otherwise open space is a single golden-veined lornalim towering high enough to make a bid for Tor Lithanel's fourth tower, and the circle of marble flagstones around it that marks where the High Council convenes.
Where do they get all of these resources? Like, I get the silver, it was already explained. But Marble, obsidian, gold etc. it seems like they never run out of building materials of all kinds but I don't think they would have any mines? There are no mountains anywhere near them. Do the hills contain all the necessary materials or do they have quarries?
"Those wordplays were the Elven equivalent of them inviting you to a meal in their Clan Hall. They're indicating their support for your presence here, and leaving the door open for individual overtures from you." You consult a list you've made a habit of always having on hand in Tor Lithanel. "Miriel are dedicated to Vaul, so they're probably interested in Dwarven artisanry - seemingly very much so, as they're normally one of the isolationist Houses. Ellemakil are the ones most focused on building ties with Middenland, so they're probably supporting this as an extension of that. Tindomiel are one of the more magic-inclined Houses, so they might be the ones with the highest hopes for the Project itself. Mardil are traders, so they might be angling for some sort of trade link with the Karaz Ankor. Filuan... I'm not sure what their angle would be. They're Avelornian and Isha... Ishaists? Ishaites? So they might just be loyalists to the Queen as a descendant of the Everqueen, I suppose."
Excellent, more politics to dissect. The Major Houses section on my notes is getting bigger every update. It's good that Boney is drip feeding the information, excellent way of getting us used to it instead of throwing us into the deep end.
with the Warden of the Sun notably absent.
We really need to find out more about her. She's one of two people on the council with two votes from her House and Ward, and her being isolationist doesn't bode well.
As Thorek approaches, there is a crack of metal on marble as the Arbiter slams the haft of his ceremonial halberd on the flagstones. "Master Runelord Thorek Ironbrow of Karak Azul," he intones, his eyes locked on the approaching Dwarf, his expression unreadable. The Arbiter was the very first of the Queen's Champions, making him one of very few beings still living who fought in the War of Vengeance.
This shocked me. Laurelorn doesn't have just the Grey Lords, but they still have their first Champion? You barely hear about anyone this old in Ulthuan, but Laurelorn has several of them. Even Ariel and Orion in Athel Loren have the excuse of being demigods, but I doubt this Arbiter is a demigod himself. What is it in the water giving them so many long lived people?
You're reminded that Thorek is cannier and more willing to engage in politics than most Dwarves, and you wonder if it might have been better to go with a Runesmith that would have disdained the lot and stuck to the work at hand. But it's too late to change course now. "Let me know if there's anything I can do to help," you say, "or if there's anything that should be done to make your wing of the manor more suitable for when the Project begins in earnest."
I don't know, I actually view Thorek's canniness as a complete positive. Yes he has his own agenda, but he's smart enough not to let that get in the way of his projects. As long as it benefits the Karaz Ankor as a whole and maybe boosts relations between Dwarfs and Elves, then it's great. Kragg certainly wouldn't be doing much to boost relations.
"Tell them that I've heard much of them from the manlings and they seem more struck from the mold of Bel Shanaar than Caledor the Second, so I see reason to hope that our time together will echo our earliest shared history, rather than the last of it." Suppressing another wince, you translate the general gist of good repute and high hopes.
Classic Dwarf stoneshaping metaphor. Gotta love it.
Through Egrimm's reports and corroborated by a letter here and there to the Provostry to confirm what few details could be confirmed from the outside, you hear of Alric quickly learning that Mira's preparations for this takeover have been extensive and long-running, and there are no friendly ears left to him in Altdorf. A more sensible Wizard might have accepted defeat at this point, but at his core Alric seems to be incapable of knowing when to quit, and he starts looking further afield. You hear of his talks with Grand Count Konstantin of Wissenland, and how they sputter to a halt after Mira tips off her hopefully soon-to-be counterpart of the Amethyst Order, and Elspeth von Draken needs only exert a fraction of her influence for Alric to find that Wissenland is no longer interested in the Light Order's partnership in certain sensitive matters. You hear of him trying to insert himself into the Sylvania situation and being politely but firmly evicted after he demonstrates he's more interested in digging into the fate of the late Magister Patriarch Hexensohen than he is on making any sort of contribution to the ongoing campaign. And then he starts worming his way into Talabecland, and though the Jade and Ambers stand ready to repulse any attempts by him to gain influence within the Royal Academy, he seems to be working instead on some sort of internal matter amongst Talabecland's nobility that neither Egrimm nor the Provostry seem to be able to give you any insight into. News dries up, and you find yourself feeling like you've read half of a story only to find that the rest of it is missing.
Alric's so pathetic. I don't care much about him personally, but the desperation and ridiculous tenacity that he has at this point is far past the point of admirable and just loops around to pitiful. The fact that he might be successful only irritates me. He really needs to get a reality check and stop clinging to his position.

It's genuinely amazing how the one man's ambitions is making all this fuss. The Empire already has its fair share of problems and he's only adding to it by reducing the effectiveness of the Order.
 
Forewarned by a message delivered by a Radiant - one of a great many type of minor forest spirit called 'spites' that the Grey Lords are said to have bound into the service of Laurelorn
Was this meant to be sprites?
It becomes routine that every few days Egrimm catches you up on the latest developments, half venting at the chaos this is causing within his Order and half exulting in the misfortune he feels his former Master deserves.
You utter troll.

Anyway, maybe we should use a personal action to make sure Alric isn't doing something really stupid.
 
Was this meant to be sprites?

You utter troll.

Anyway, maybe we should use a personal action to make sure Alric isn't doing something really stupid.
Nope, they're called Spites in WHF. There's Shrikes, Mischiefs, Terrors and now Radiant. There's also Nippers in Kislev.

You can tell I've spent way too much on bestiaries that this info pops up immediately in my head.
 
It's not really real real, just... more convincing. A sufficiently convincing lie is indistinguishable from the truth, is it not?
For what it's worth, there is a known method for magic that uses a wind for something just outside of its wheelhouse.

Like using the Wind of Death and Endings to control things beyond death...

Not that. Thorek's words.
It goes both ways. Translating from a punless language to one where speaking clearly and directly is quite possibly a grudge-worthy action, you have to alter the words and meaning.

If a direct translation would cause the listener to misunderstand the intend, you shouldn't use a direct translation.
 
When you first entered Laurelorn, you took a careful and considered approach. You came on your own, went through Middenland and the Schadensumpf to avoid the sticky Nordland situation, and arranged ahead of time for an escort to meet you at the border. You made sure there was as little chance of controversy and misunderstanding as possible to make a smooth entrance into Laurelorn society.

Thorek Ironbrow does not do that.

He does not carefully organize his entrance with Laurelorn notables, as he takes it as a given you would have taken care of that and made sure that his arrival at some point was expected. He does not carefully circle around tricky political situations when doing so would require him to enter via a swamp: he lands a flight of Gyrocarriages in Salzenmund while flying the flag of Karak Azul and simply lets anyone who had the capacity to be an obstacle realize for themselves that they really shouldn't try it, and marches west with a score of Longbeards as an escort - and these are Clan Ironbrow Longbeards that have served under the Thunderhorn, so they're more like heavily-armoured and extravagently-Runed Rangers than traditional Dwarven infantry, each of them carrying a crossbow and an axe with a climbing pick on the reverse.
Hmm, yes, who would ever do something like that? My goodness.

[ ] Very Dwarfily. Gyrobomber landing in the town square, with a Hammerer protection detail.
:rolleyes:

You're reminded that Thorek is cannier and more willing to engage in politics than most Dwarves, and you wonder if it might have been better to go with a Runesmith that would have disdained the lot and stuck to the work at hand.
No, it would not have been better. The interconnected politics are fascinating, and watching our allies doing their own thing and get distracted with their own plans is half the fun!

"You didn't continue on after she inherited?" Egrimm asks, his voice carefully neutral but his eyes searching.

"It was her decision." You consider leaving it at that, but think better of it. "She had something of a phobia of magic - understandable, given her family history. I've worked with her since then, and don't hold any ill will towards her." That wasn't always the case, but Egrimm doesn't need to know the inner thoughts of your younger self.

"Ah. Yes, well, you could be right. I don't think Alric would go out of his way to outright sabotage figures that prominent over being slighted, but if there's a way for him to get what he wants while also getting his own back, he'll take it."
Alric's problem trying to ingratiate himself with Roswita is that he didn't arrive riding atop a glowing Luminark, surrounded by a singing Choir, accompanied by a score of Knights polished to a mirror shine.

Really, he should've gone with his instincts on that one. Worked for us! :V
 
Added the Arbiter:
The Arbiter: Arbiter of the High Council. First Queen's Champion in the history of Laurelorn, which makes him one of very few people still living who fought in the War of Vengeance. Wields a ceremonial halberd.
Kind of awkward we don't have his name, but oh well. He seems very interesting.
 
So. Now what? Where to we point Thorek's efforts towards? How about that Grey Lord?

I really hope we can do another Mathilde and just smile and nod while both of them cooperate and have our former duckling collate whatever data points both have and can discover.
 
When you first entered Laurelorn, you took a careful and considered approach. You came on your own, went through Middenland and the Schadensumpf to avoid the sticky Nordland situation, and arranged ahead of time for an escort to meet you at the border. You made sure there was as little chance of controversy and misunderstanding as possible to make a smooth entrance into Laurelorn society.

He does not carefully organize his entrance with Laurelorn notables, as he takes it as a given you would have taken care of that and made sure that his arrival at some point was expected. He does not carefully circle around tricky political situations when doing so would require him to enter via a swamp: he lands a flight of Gyrocarriages in Salzenmund while flying the flag of Karak Azul and simply lets anyone who had the capacity to be an obstacle realize for themselves that they really shouldn't try it
Thorek: "you may be loremaster, lady magister, and head researcher; but I am the boss"
 
Alric's problem trying to ingratiate himself with Roswita is that he didn't arrive riding atop a glowing Luminark, surrounded by a singing Choir, accompanied by a score of Knights polished to a mirror shine.

Really, he should've gone with his instincts on that one. Worked for us! :V
To be fair, riding in on a Luminark might've sent the wrong message, considering the guy who should've made them in the future died( exploded) trying to reclaim Sylvania before he actually managed to make them.
 
It goes both ways. Translating from a punless language to one where speaking clearly and directly is quite possibly a grudge-worthy action, you have to alter the words and meaning.

If a direct translation would cause the listener to misunderstand the intend, you shouldn't use a direct translation.
Conjecture: If Elven culture values adding nuance and complexity to language, and your ability to do so increases with age, then speaking clearly and directly would be like a child still learning how to string words together.
 
Not the best start if the translator is modifying what the translated says.

Eh, cultural translators should translate intentions over accuracy. Many games and anime are much better with intention based translations over literal translations.

I don't know, I actually view Thorek's canniness as a complete positive. Yes he has his own agenda, but he's smart enough not to let that get in the way of his projects. As long as it benefits the Karaz Ankor as a whole and maybe boosts relations between Dwarfs and Elves, then it's great. Kragg certainly wouldn't be doing much to boost relations.

Agreed. Mathilde may think "uh oh, what will he get into now", but I think "phew, we do not have to babysit him, he won't make a mess"
 
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To be fair, riding in on a Luminark might've sent the wrong message, considering the guy who should've made them in the future died( exploded) trying to reclaim Sylvania before he actually managed to make them.
Jovi made the Templehof Luminark, not the Luminarks in general. There are other Luminarks out there, he didn't make the concept from scratch.
 
Where do they get all of these resources? Like, I get the silver, it was already explained. But Marble, obsidian, gold etc. it seems like they never run out of building materials of all kinds but I don't think they would have any mines? There are no mountains anywhere near them. Do the hills contain all the necessary materials or do they have quarries?
Where high elves and wood elves get their mineral resources from is never explained. The closest we get to a proper explanation is in Age of Sigmar where it's explained the Sylvaneth get their metals from drawing them out of the earth with tree roots. As you can see, that's not very close to a proper explanation.
 
Hey, so long as Thorek doesn't mind putting some of the goodwill he earns towards the project, I don't mind if he does some side work. Mathilde certainly isn't going to refrain from taking advantage for other reasons.

Anywho, On the one hand, I don't particularly want to step any further between Alaric and Mira's fight, but it does occur to me that we've gotten enough big names involved the latter could see offering more help as an opportunity. Should we bother recruiting the Lights next turn, or just focus on the Jades?
 
"Hmph," is his only response to that. Clearly off-balance and skeptical, but reserving judgement rather than reflexively griping about societal differences - rare restraint for a Dwarf of his age. "Lead the way."

Politics and all, Thorek was definitely the right dwarf for the job. The correct balance of knowledge and temperament


@Boney, I must have the annotation to this pun. Cytho I get is Eltharin for wisdom among other things, but I have no idea what the next two words work out to.

"Those wordplays were the Elven equivalent of them inviting you to a meal in their Clan Hall. They're indicating their support for your presence here, and leaving the door open for individual overtures from you."

I actually really like Mathilde's diplomatic translations here. Having her as the go between may be what's needed to keep things copacetic.

The War of Vengeance might never have happened if we paid more attention to Elven politics,

Oh, Thorek. If only more dwarves had the ability to see that.
 
You hear of him trying to insert himself into the Sylvania situation and being politely but firmly evicted after he demonstrates he's more interested in digging into the fate of the late Magister Patriarch Hexensohen than he is on making any sort of contribution to the ongoing campaign.
BTW, out of character, what happened to him anyway? all I remember was that he exploded into a magic explosion.
 
BTW, out of character, what happened to him anyway? all I remember was that he exploded into a magic explosion.
We don't know and when I asked last year, Boney said that the info is still being kept under OOC wraps in case it comes up:
Out of curiosity, is the nature of Hexensohn's side business still under the aegis of wheels in motion, or is it safe for us to find out now?
It might never come up on screen, but in case Mathilde ever has reason to get involved in Amethyst College business I'm going to keep that subplot in reserve.
 
BTW, out of character, what happened to him anyway? all I remember was that he exploded into a magic explosion.
Tried to cast Battle Magic, rolled a nat 1. Blew up and the district he blew up in is still set on fire on sunny days, it is currently known as the Fire District of Drakenhof. EDIT: Wait, you said Hexensohn. That's a different guy than Jovi Sunscryer. Disregard what I said.

Anyway, more stuff from the update:
They must have taken a moment to compose themselves just before emerging from the trees, as their beards are on full display rather than tucked into their belts for marching.
Love this little tidbit. Dwarfs show off their beards like one of those animals who spread their frills to make themselves look bigger and more intimidating.
"Hmph," is his only response to that. Clearly off-balance and skeptical, but reserving judgement rather than reflexively griping about societal differences - rare restraint for a Dwarf of his age. "Lead the way."
Yet another reason why he's a good choice. He has restraint.
"Those wordplays were the Elven equivalent of them inviting you to a meal in their Clan Hall. They're indicating their support for your presence here, and leaving the door open for individual overtures from you." You consult a list you've made a habit of always having on hand in Tor Lithanel. "Miriel are dedicated to Vaul, so they're probably interested in Dwarven artisanry - seemingly very much so, as they're normally one of the isolationist Houses. Ellemakil are the ones most focused on building ties with Middenland, so they're probably supporting this as an extension of that. Tindomiel are one of the more magic-inclined Houses, so they might be the ones with the highest hopes for the Project itself. Mardil are traders, so they might be angling for some sort of trade link with the Karaz Ankor. Filuan... I'm not sure what their angle would be. They're Avelornian and Isha... Ishaists? Ishaites? So they might just be loyalists to the Queen as a descendant of the Everqueen, I suppose."
I'm currently thinking of using our EIC actions to set up transportation contracts for trade between the Empire/Karaz Ankor/Laurelorn. Thorek seems interested in trade, Mardil and Miriel seem interested in Azul's products, and Ellemakil want stronger connections with Middenland and trade can do that. It's great that Wilhelmina set up shop in southern Middenland, probably in anticipation of this very move. Very canny of her.

My current thought is to use a Max action to get him a workshop with House Miriel's assistance, and start trade negotations with any of the three aforementioned houses using our EIC action if we can do so.
"I'll reach out to some of them, then. The War of Vengeance might never have happened if we paid more attention to Elven politics, though I'm hoping this splinter state will prove less labyrinthine than their forebears." He runs his eyes over the street. "We'll be here for the next week anyway - I've been told what useful materials might be found in Elven forests by Karak Norn Runesmiths, and I aim to see whether some of them can be bought with gold, rather than steel."
What's amazing about this is that Thorek outright admits a part of the fault lies with the Dwarfs here for the War of Vengeance. He says "if we paid more attention to Elven politics". That places the blame on the Dwarfs, not the Elves, which I find very intriguing. Thorek definitely realises that the blame for the war doesn't rest solely on the Elves, and he seems set to not make those same mistakes again.

This is what draws me to him. He doesn't think his ancestors and society is infallible, and he actively tries to make it better and not make those mistakes himself. Very admirable, especially considering he's old enough to be set in his ways.
he seems to be working instead on some sort of internal matter amongst Talabecland's nobility that neither Egrimm nor the Provostry seem to be able to give you any insight into.
I hope this has nothing to do with Talabecland being irritated at Ostermark's canal project. Even Alric shouldn't be desperate enough he'd do something stupid like mess with a Dwarf project that would boost the economy of the nation so much for his own greed and desires.
 
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