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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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This last paper had agenda though.
didn't really matter how good it was, just need to say the right things.
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[X] The Karak Azul Architects, to get involved in the design of your Library in detail.
[X] Belegar, to discuss who has been made Loremaster after you.
[X] Thorek Ironbrow, to witness the arrival of the first Dwarf in Tor Lithanel for over four thousand years.
Wanna see our dwarves.
[X] Belegar, to discuss who has been made Loremaster after you.
[X] Thorek Ironbrow, to witness the arrival of the first Dwarf in Tor Lithanel for over four thousand years.
Wanna see our dwarves.
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I read that without the "the". And all I could think of was what a rat race Skaven corporate culture must be.
I'm worried that that's still an eternity of shit. And rescuing Qretch, even if he doesn't even think he needs rescuing until and if we convince him, would be a good test run to some more long term plans I remember several voters being interested in.
People don't just magically become better people. Like, what have we actually done trying to make him one.
P.S.: I am not saying that in general it is anyone's obligation to redeem bad people. But in this particular case we have someone who is most probably no worse than what's baseline for his culture and, more importantly, someone whose capacity for evil has been pretty much neutralized and who is completely within our power.
In general I am not someone who believes much in concepts like justice. But I do believe in compassion and in harm prevention. So it doesn't matter to me whether Qretch "deserves" to be saved. Just whether we can do it without harming others, since for all intents and purposes he is our property and thus also our responsibility.
I don't show rolls when Mathilde is trying to convince someone of something and she has no way to gauge their reaction.
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Oh, so it was basically diplomacy instead of learning? Fair enough.
[X] Egrimm, to try to sound out more information about the Alric situation.
[X] Thorek Ironbrow, to witness the arrival of the first Dwarf in Tor Lithanel for over four thousand years.
[X] The Karak Azul Architects, to get involved in the design of your Library in detail.
[X] Qrech, who is putting the finishing touches on his tome on the Chaos Dwarves.
[X] Vicarius Galenstra, to get to know him and his Ward.
[X] Thorek Ironbrow, to witness the arrival of the first Dwarf in Tor Lithanel for over four thousand years.
[X] The Karak Azul Architects, to get involved in the design of your Library in detail.
[X] Qrech, who is putting the finishing touches on his tome on the Chaos Dwarves.
[X] Vicarius Galenstra, to get to know him and his Ward.
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In what way was it monotonous?
Just a passing thought, @Boney, if you don't mind answering, wouldn't "Great Dragon Deathfang (Caledorian Dragons)" fit the bill? Deathfang didn't seem cross with Mathilde when she referred to him as a Great Dragon, and he is a Caledorian Dragon / affiliated with Caledorian Dragons. It's not as specific as other attributions, and can be seen as admission of ignorance of the proper way to attribute on Mathilde's part, but it's something and it is factually correct. And having co-authorship with a Great Dragon would be another feather in her cap, quite an exquisite one at that, so shouldn't she be willing to risk it a little, especially as unusualness of attributing a dragon can excuse a bit of irregularity?
I guess there is a possibility of Deathfang being somewhat miffed due to too vague attribution not giving him due deference with proper specific title, but would he really be? Isn't he old and wise, and Mathilde's too young and ignorant for him to take real offence?
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[X] Thorek Ironbrow, to witness the arrival of the first Dwarf in Tor Lithanel for over four thousand years.
[X] Qrech, who is putting the finishing touches on his tome on the Chaos Dwarves.
[X] Roswita, to get a sense for who will control Sylvania after you turned down the position.
[X] Belegar, to discuss who has been made Loremaster after you.
[X] Follow up on your donation of the Skaven organ-vat, and see what has been made of it.
[X] Qrech, who is putting the finishing touches on his tome on the Chaos Dwarves.
[X] Roswita, to get a sense for who will control Sylvania after you turned down the position.
[X] Belegar, to discuss who has been made Loremaster after you.
[X] Follow up on your donation of the Skaven organ-vat, and see what has been made of it.
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Well, we also know Cython reads all of our papers, so that might lead to, say, an involuntary social turn where we get yelled at about our taste in draconic co-authors.
Or worse, depending. Maybe not- I did get the impression that Deathfang was actively angry at the wind-adapted dragons but Cython just regarded the caldorian dragons as fading relics.
That's the most natural segue to propose to Cython writing a paper on comparative theurgical philosophy, or something like that, bearing fruits of our long, pleasant and intellectually enriching association. Both as an apology for our misstep and as an expression of our sincere appreciation of our one-of-a-kind majestic draconic neighbour.
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This seems hardly appropriate.
Try Mf.D. Cython.
Mathilde's doesn't know if it's just Asarnil that's exiled, or if they were both exiled, or if Deathfang is de facto exiled because he went along with Asarnil and now wouldn't be welcome to return, or if the question is deliberately unaddressed by all involved. Mathilde's life is likely to involve enough Elven politics in the near future without her having to throw herself into a completely separate minefield of Elven politics, and what she knows of Dragon politics suggests she definitely wants none of it in her life.
Also, 'great Dragon' has a separate meaning from 'Great Dragon'. One is a superlative, the other implies that Deathfang is a Wind-aligned Dragon. And this grammatical situation makes it very hard to properly make that distinction.
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Great childhood memories. Cadaeth can be a sprite, Thorek, now that we are partners, can be a dwarf, Galenstra can be an elf; don't know about a druid, maybe one of the Grey Lords? and I hope Laurelorn has at least one unicorn and at least one phoenix. With Marrisith being the hero we'll have a complete army.
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Beastmen only have one genuinely major event in their history. Gorthor's Beastherd. Aside from that it's all the same thing, and page after page of the book is basically reinforcing how horrible the Beastmen are and how wretched their society is. It's just not a pleasant book. At least the Skaven book was entertaining.
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The funny thing is that for all the Beastmen talk up that they're the "Children of Chaos" they have a rigid heirarchical structure based on horn length and actually attempt to assemble a society with a relatively firm structure to it. They're so predictable and repetitive. No wonder they don't do as much damage as the Greenskins. At least Goblins and Orcs can mix it up every now and then and surprise people.
Beastmen: "We are the Children of Chaos, we have no need of the trappings of civilization, we will tear down the monuments of the civilized world and return all to savagery."
Also Beastmen: "Lol look at these idiot centaurs that don't even know how to sign their name on our big ceremonial menhir to record attendance at our conference, how gauche of them."
Also Beastmen: "Lol look at these idiot centaurs that don't even know how to sign their name on our big ceremonial menhir to record attendance at our conference, how gauche of them."
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If you gaze long enough into civilization, civilization will gaze back into you, apparently.
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I assume the primary dwarves Mathilde is thinking of here are Kazador and Kazrik. I doubt either of them were exactly expecting this kind of backroom dealings though. Not that they'd mind overmuch I believe, they just wouldn't think of it.
I have to say that I love the dynamic between Mathilde and Thorek simply because of how it would be impossible to achieve with Kragg. In the beginning, the only Runesmith character we had any contact with was Kragg, and Thorek was mostly a side character with barely any focus on him. We only vaguely knew what made him different from Kragg.
Now we have an established relationship based on mutual support and favors that I could hardly have expected when we first saw him. One that I definitely think we could not have achieved with the majority of dwarves. It's very interesting and different and I enjoy it.
Should this be "better able to see this than Egrimm and I"? I'm not a native english speaker but that sounds better. Maybe I'm wrong.
I'm actually surprised you CAN keep the limb on ice for months and then use regrowth. I didn't realise you could "game" the limitations of regrowth that way. I don't suppose this extends to freezing the body immediately after death so you can revive them later? That would be a bit much.
Both this and Johann picking up Eltharin quickly only through exposure and interest really boosts my headcanon about him having ADHD. I hate academics when I'm forced to do them, but if it's something I'm actually interested in I can be insanely productive. Johann is really hitting all the same buttons.
I've been reading a lot of Vampire books lately, and this is actually an interesting thing. Sylvania is described in multiple books as a "confluence of magical energies", and the Von Drak family that Vlad married into is sometimes described as dark magicians. They built Castle Drakenhof over a network of magical channels that they used for rituals. I have a feeling that the reason the "bog gods" in Sylvania are powerful enough to hold Konrad and Mannfred's bodies despite barely recieving any worship is possibly because of the natural magical energies of the area, and that's probably why dark magic clings to Sylvania so readily. The Warpstone and dark rituals corrupted those natural leylines in places.
We destroyed Castle Drakenhof, but the mountain is still there. Wonder if we'll find out that it's a natural waystone.
I'm now interested in sending Egrimm after the Lights and Mathilde after the Jades next turn. The narrowing down of which orders to hunt down is really helpful, so Max's action was definitely not a waste.
It probably helps that Nuln is busy expanding production in Karak Nar for the Gunnery School branch there, which is rapidly expanding operations so they can create foundries to cover Death Pass all the way up to the Dark Lands. Combine that with Konstantin ramping things up in response to the Skaven under his city, and I imagine even if Stirland wasn't at war, Nuln would still be too busy to raise too much of a fuss.
I have no idea why and how things ends up going in Wilhelmina's favor through sheer coincidence, but it keeps happening. I would suspect Tzeentchian prayers behind the scene from her if Tzeentch wasn't just as likely to screw her over as help her
I think that if you froze a body after death to cast regrowth, that would give you a living body without a soul since that had already moved on to Morr's Garden... so prime real estate for daemons.
'Egrimm and I' is grammatically correct, but it's very common for it to be spoken in the incorrect 'me and Egrimm' way.
The arm would be pretty severely damaged by freezing and rethawing, but that's damage Regrowth could fix.
No, at that point the soul would be long departed. It might be technically possible to restore the body but at that point it would just be an empty vassal that would be swiftly possessed by the first spirit or daemon to spot it, at which point whoever did it has become guilty of either necromancy or daemonology, so it's not something that's seen a lot of testing by the Colleges.
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Not all souls move on to Morr's Garden immediately after death. Some souls remain in the world, particularly if they're inundated with magical energies.
An extreme example of this is Lord Kroak, who was ripped apart by a dozen Bloodthirsters and his soul refused to move on, so his aethyric projection cast the Delivarance of Itza and wiped out all the Daemons invading his city. His soul still comes back to the reconstructed relic of his body every now and then, even if it's just a fragment of him.
Now, being fair, Kroak is an extreme example. I'm not saying everyone can expect to be like him. I'm not actually super interested in trying to game the system either. I'm just wondering. I don't think the soul always moves on immediately however.
EDIT: Boney Eshin'd. I'm wrong.
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No, it would be possible, but any 'normal' soul would need magical help in sticking around and resettling into its body, and every step of that would absolutely count as necromancy. Plenty of souls do stick around, but they usually drift or wander and become twisted in various ways by the experience, when they aren't preyed upon by older, nastier souls or other spectral gribblies or necromancers.
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