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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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IronFist said:
I'm not picklepikkl... but I seem to remember something (either in the chapters where we dealt with Hubert, or with Maria Strossel) that to those attuned to Azyr, sometimes their mage sight carries hints of the future.
But I could be mistaken.
My guess why Mathilde doesn't see the future in every patch of Azyr/Shysh that she sees, is because that requires the wind to be in her brain, and her brainmeats are full of Ulgu, and so repel Azyr/Shysh.
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Volans is the counter example, who honed his Witchsight to the greatest degree without ever touching a Wind.
 
Alratan said:
Volans is the counter example, who honed his Witchsight to the greatest degree without ever touching a Wind.
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It could be that honing it without attuning to a wind let him do things that he otherwise wouldn't have been able to do.

Anyway, since i can't find the quote I thought I remembered, it could be something I read in another quest.

Hell, coming to think of it, it could be Rhunrikki Strollar. We've gotten the Book of Azyr, and the Brana were Azyr users first... eh. happens.
 
IronFist said:
I'm not picklepikkl... but I seem to remember something (either in the chapters where we dealt with Hubert, or with Maria Strossel) that to those attuned to Azyr, sometimes their mage sight carries hints of the future.
But I could be mistaken.
My guess why Mathilde doesn't see the future in every patch of Azyr/Shysh that she sees, is because that requires the wind to be in her brain, and her brainmeats are full of Ulgu, and so repel Azyr/Shysh.
Edit:nope, can't find it.
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IronFist said:
It could be that honing it without attuning to a wind let him do things that he otherwise wouldn't have been able to do.

Anyway, since i can't find the quote I thought I remembered, it could be something I read in another quest.

Hell, coming to think of it, it could be Rhunrikki Strollar. We've gotten the Book of Azyr, and the Brana were Azyr users first... eh. happens.
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I am picklepikkl, and I think the thing you're thinking of is this from @kingreaper's Divided Loyalties fanquest, The Broken Mirror:
kingreaper said:
The Celestial College are well known to favour night to day, for the simple reason that the stars and their movements are not visible during daylight hours.

That's mostly true, but one of the secrets kept by the Celestial College is that most of the stars never move, and those that do, the planets, move in predictable and unchanging patterns. Azyr is bound to the world just as all the other winds are, and every seeming movement in the stars is actually an eddy of the light caused by skybound Azyr.

Thus with the proper attention to detail it is possible for a Celestial skywatcher to observe the patterns of Azyr even during the day, as long as the clouds co-operate. It is to this purpose that some of the eagle-eyed Perpetual Apprentices of the Celestial College put the majority of their days, using a masterfully crafted set of telescopes to help concentrate their mage-sight onto the portions of the sky that show most significance to their readings - and to watch especially for castings of Signs in the Stars.
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Was that what you had in mind?
 
BurnNote said:
That's actually pretty plausibel, and sounds like something that could happen in warhammer. Hell, it could be metaphorically "true", and represents Ergrimm being taken into the order while his sister wasn't because she didn't have magic.
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That... yeah, actually. Egrimm's sister being abandoned or alternately maybe she had magic too but died to an early miscast in training. Either way, something related to his sister left a seed of resentment and rage deep inside him. Decades later and having drank the Chaos Kool-Aid, he absolutely remembers being thrown into a pit of snakes by Alric. The fact that's not what actually happened doesn't matter at all.

I can very much buy into this theory.
 
Garlak said:
I don't know if I'd tempt him with an Elf-made seviroscope though. Perhaps rather with the secrets of the Elf-Dwarf coordination that led to the creation of Bok.

I'd rather have our Colleges of Magic create the Seviroscope itself instead.

... Actually, how much College Favor do we have? *checks* Just 6. Damn. Well, that can go up higher if we write some good books... But it would be much nicer if we could figure out how to turn our Aethyric Vitae into a constant drip of College Favor too. That way we could have more liquidity Favor around, so to speak.

Anyway. I was wondering if we could use a Great Deed or College Favor to commission a Seviroscope for Kragg to tempt him in. Or maybe make it ourselves. Or something.
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Boney has already said that developing the Seviroscope is an acceptable task to give to Egrimm. We couldn't have done that with Johann or Max because they aren't enchanters, but van Horstmann is an enchanter (and a damn good one).

Zero Gravitas said:
Isn't Mathilde as good as Volans when it comes to Windsight and also quite good at enchanting?
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In another two or three decades, Mathilde might be as good as Volans. Maybe.

There's probably not a lot of people who could do a better job than ourselves at trying to make a Seviroscope.
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Yes, but... Egrimm is actually one of those few people. He's an incredibly talented enchanter and all-around genius who has made a special study of windsight from an academic and experimental perspective, not just honing his own windsight.
 
Briefvoice said:
Boney has already said that developing the Seviroscope is an acceptable task to give to Egrimm. We couldn't have done that with Johann or Max because they aren't enchanters, but van Horstmann is an enchanter (and a damn good one).



In another two or three decades, Mathilde might be as good as Volans. Maybe.



Yes, but... Egrimm is actually one of those few people. He's an incredibly talented enchanter and all-around genius who has made a special study of windsight from an academic and experimental perspective, not just honing his own windsight.
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Being fair, we still don't know if he's an enchanter in-quest.
 
Mopman43 said:
Being fair, we still don't know if he's an enchanter in-quest.
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I took the confirmation that a Seviroscope is an acceptable project for him as confirmation that he is an enchanter. I guess technically we don't know how good an enchanter he is (because Mathilde doesn't), but she certainly knows he has a reputation as an all-around genius and her own experience is that he is incredibly intelligent and talented.
 
Something like this?
Boney said:
Magesight is very individual, and often based on the wizard's relationship with their magic. Mathilde can easily see emotion and discern truth and lies because Ulgu is associated with confusion and deception. If she was a Celestial Wizard, she'd be more likely to see glimpses of other times, for example
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Briefvoice said:
Boney has already said that developing the Seviroscope is an acceptable task to give to Egrimm. We couldn't have done that with Johann or Max because they aren't enchanters, but van Horstmann is an enchanter (and a damn good one).
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I am much happier with this idea now that we know that it's a collaboration with Egrimm instead of handing it over, as one of the draws of that project (at least for me) is leveraging Mathilde's unusually exceptional Windsight.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
I keep forgetting how good a learning stat of 29 actually is. We're three times smarter than the average person (in a group of specific and highly niche subjects).
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Mathilde is a polymath and a polyglot and a renaissance woman.
The Zhuf logic makes that appear less impressive to a typical academic.

Diplomacy is her weak spot, and there she is "merely" excellent.

Edit: also, she is fantastically well read.
 
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BurnNote said:
She pretends to be fantastically well read by bluffing, never admitting ignorance, and looking up questions in her obscenely large library afterwards.
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Yes, but she is smart and sneaky enough to convincingly do so, and eventually she does do the reading.

She's just fuzzy on the timing about when she does the reading :V. Before, After. Who cares :)?

It doesn't make her any less well read.
 
Nerdasaurus Rex said:
I keep forgetting how good a learning stat of 29 actually is. We're three times smarter than the average person (in a group of specific and highly niche subjects).
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30 is supposed to be the upper limit for ordinary humans so Steam Tank inventor and WH Renaissance man Leonardo da Miragliano would only be marginally better at Learning. Alkharad was what 32?

Admittedly 7 of Mathilde's points come from Windsage, Link of Psyche and Avatar - she'd still be extremely learned without them but it is the magic and weird stuff that puts her over the top... which probably explains why the magical world makes more sense than the physical for Mathilde.
 
nothingtoseehere said:
Remember when she designed a new piece of Battle Magic in a year, and wrote equations that confused our fellow Lord Magisters?
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Where magic is concerned (and frankly, all academic pursuits), writing down stuff that doesn't confuse is the accomplishment. For magic especially, creating anything that's not confusing to other wizards is a great accomplishment.

But yes, Mathilde is very smart, and quite knowledgeable. She's also ungodly lucky, but in warhammer, that's just another skill.
 
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