Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
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Okay, so the cost of supporting Thorek in the Runesmithing guild is pretty obviously a high one. But the cost of the Middenheim option seems relatively negligible, and that has me suspicious. Does anyone have any speculations on how that one might/will backfire on us?
On the other hand I doubt a more gentle approach would work, let alone that we are in a "fight with the army you have" situation. Either we support Thorek, or nothing will change at all, there isn't a third possibility. So I think supporting him is still a better idea than just sticking with the status quo, because the status quo is not working well.
The most obvious is just how pissed the dwarfs will be. Even though they abandoned it a ridiculously long time ago it is still their ancestral hold and being forced to hand over the keys to literally anybody else is grudgworthy.
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We're absolutely going to owe the Graf for this, and god knows what he'll ask for it, and when. Keep in mind, Middenheim's involving itself with the Eonir as a tool against Nordland. Trade an obligation now for a mystery obligation to a different party later.
Thorek is famous for his amount of apprentices, given enough time there will be hundreds of runesmiths that follow his way of thinking. I think everybody is in favour of his faction slowly winning out but this will not be gentle and easy.
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Just to be clear, what are we being asked to say about Karag Dum here? Just "real sad about the circumstances that led to this"? Are we saying anything that would get us into trouble if the mountain exploded into Bloodthirsters or something?
He doesn't want us to lie or anything but he wants our statement to lay blame of their "fall" on the conflict between the Runemasters and the Runelords to give him an excuse to reform the guild.
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Pretty sure just the truth of what we have seen and what we think about the situation.
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Well Boney did warn us that Waystines was infinitely more politicking among different groups to play nice and share and infinitely less huddling up in a lab than what'd you think. As someone who really wantedthr Mandred's Bodyguard job, this is a plus in my book.
Honestly, the only thing holding me back from backing Thorek against the Runesmith's guild is the possibility that it might make Kragg mad at us
Yeah seriously. But full on partnership from Thorek is ridiculously tempted.
Arm sharm right now. Like holy shit, do we help or duck out going nope nope nope on Rune lord schism?
Fayhem
Definitely not an escaped SCP
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Mm, an intense decision to make. I'm inclined towards Both on the Thorek vote. We chose the Waystones project because we believed this was the most important thing we, and possibly anyone, could be doing right now. Failing to commit to that premise isn't ultimately doing anyone any favors. The Waystones were originally created by the Elves and the Dwarves. We got the Elves as partners by committing to running the project in Laurelorn. It's time to commit and do what it takes to get an equal level of support for the project from the Dwarves in the form of Thorek.
It won't be costless, but what he's asking for is hardly all negative either. And if this can mean the difference between success or failure for the project, or between meaningfully different degrees of success - and I do believe that's very plausible - can we really excuse not taking this chance? Sometimes you've got to go big or go home. So let's go big.
It won't be costless, but what he's asking for is hardly all negative either. And if this can mean the difference between success or failure for the project, or between meaningfully different degrees of success - and I do believe that's very plausible - can we really excuse not taking this chance? Sometimes you've got to go big or go home. So let's go big.
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
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As I understand it he wants us to give an honest accounting of Borek's conduct and words at Karak Dum, and our opinion of the situation. That it seems like the dwarves there didn't fall to corruption, but were instead driven to desperate and shameful measures by how dire their situation was.
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The worst thing happening with the runesmiths isn't a couple of them going slayer, its Kragg going slayer.
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Yeah, I was foolish enough to not jump to the conclusion that Johann would immediately slice off his own arm in order to make room for a Power Fist, so I was really confused as to where the hell he would put this thing. Just sticking it underneath one of his existing arms? On his back?
On another note, fuck. This is an extremely pivotal vote we got here. Thorek's full cooperation on the Waystone project is priceless, we couldn't hope for more than that. The whole reason that Mathilde had to be the person to get this project going was because she was the only person who might be able to swing Dwarven cooperation, which is absolutely required as far as I'm concerned. I basically agree with his conclusions that Dum enacted their absolute last-ditch desperation move because they were utterly alone and had no alternative besides death. Also, "Encourage the Survival and Spread of Technical Knowledge" has been the second highest priority on my Dwarven Cultural Renovation Project, only surpassed by increasing birth rates.
But this will cause massive upheaval, and the process of forging a new Guild from the old one will be long and painful, regardless of how much pushback Thorek gets. It's also awkward for Mathilde to ask for the political favors needed to apply so much pressure in a very fraught arena.
But my gut instinct when I finished this update was a near certainty that this thread would not compromise on this, and would go for Both. And I might support that, but I need to reread Thorek's section here a few times and really think about the implications of this.
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
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That, at least, seems ridiculously unlikely. Kragg doesn't care for Thorek's opinion or the opinion of any other living Runesmith, and he's respected and revered above Thorek. Nothing Thorek could do will apply pressure to Kragg, be it from other Runesmiths or his own opinion.
Kragg was one of the Runelords that stood against Karag Dum because of the Runemasters fiasco. He will be one of the Runelords being blamed for helping cause the fall of Dum to, as far as they are concerned, a new type of Chaos Dwarf. Kragg might be stoic but there will be consequences for this.
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Mopman43
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I'm not certain we know that- Thorek never named anyone specific, and Kragg generally eschews politics.
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
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We don't actually know Kragg's position on the KD situation, unless it's been clarified somewhere I missed, and as a rule Kragg doesn't involve himself in politics at all.
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My guess is that Mathilde is probably the only person in the empire who could bully dwarfs over something like this and come away without a bad grudge. There might be some costs, but the fact that she's doing it for a runemaster makes me think that most people would rather jump out a window than get involved in the case.
Karag Dum... taking a side in Dwarf politics is dangerous, but as others said, if she wanted to avoid politics she wouldn't have taken on this job.
Karag Dum... taking a side in Dwarf politics is dangerous, but as others said, if she wanted to avoid politics she wouldn't have taken on this job.
I can't remember which update it was from but I seem to recall us asking Kragg about Dum and he was very much following the party line that they couldn't be trusted.
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Chances are that Kragg didn't even weigh in on the situation in the first place.