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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Sigh. Once more the grand promises that we'll actually make an effort to progress our long term projects prove to be discarded as soon as inconvenient.

No doubt next turn the argument will be that we need to wait another turn for the new labs before we do anything with AV.

Update was nice enough, and we got a new diplo trait, so that's good. Mathilde continues her terrifying march towards true omni-competence. (Two more diplo and one stewardship for at least 20 in everything).
 
Codex said:
I didn't understand what "gamine" meant, but after looking it up, and seeing the use of they as their pronouns, I'm assuming this musician is nonbinary?

If so, I love it. Did we get their name?
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Mathilde couldn't tell and didn't ask, but they could be. No name for now, but the possibility exists of them returning if the story calls for it.

Chopak said:
O my god. We're in ancient Greece.
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Asheram said:
I'm reminded of Rome
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With canon having a triumverate and a senate meeting in an agora, I pretty much had to. The 'taverns' are thermopolia, too.
 
Chopak said:
O my god. We're in ancient Greece.
Parallels are everywhere. Tor Lithanel is a polis (bonus points for being a colony!). Cityborn are Citizens, Forestborn are metics. And if the Tor Lithanel army sally is anything but a hoplite phalanx stomping overachieving neighbours I will eat my hat. (note: I actually do not own any hats).

The only thing that would make it MORE greek, was if Boney had actually shown us the wrestling spar between Johann and Kadoh. But I guess, it would be too obvious.
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Oh crap...you're right.

There was even that thing about olives, come to think of it. Very Greek.
 
Dark as Silver said:
Hang on no ones posted this yet?
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I posted it during the voting stages and I'm very pleased it's what actually happened.
Humbaba said:
Sigh. Once more the grand promises that we'll actually make an effort to progress our long term projects prove to be discarded as soon as inconvenient.

No doubt next turn the argument will be that we need to wait another turn for the new labs before we do anything with AV.
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This sort of post is not conducive to good thread culture, but also:
1) if there is an advantage from sequencing our actions in a certain way, Boney will do that automatically, so we wouldn't need to wait a turn
2) we can just gyrocopter back and use our K8P facilities anyway.

Anyway, as a Greek I kind of have to approve of this take on elves. It's in my contract.
 
I'm not super familiar with the culture/society of Ancient Greece and Rome, would someone kindly explain the similarities in detail?
 
Garlak said:
Noticed some mixups in the Media Threadmarks. Starting from July 22, the entries started getting put waaaay at the back instead of in the front again.

Book Accessibility
Rules to Surviving Warhammer Fantasy
Grey Order folklore
The True Fate of Baron Frederick Vanhal
Start Slowly
We'll See

These 6 are in between "Future Forces of the We 2" (Nov 6, 2019) and "Historic Moment of Karak Eight Peaks" (Nov 10, 2019) instead of being at the front of the media threadmarks.
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Ugh, I think that when I moved some from Information to Media it was smart enough to say 'I'll put these in the proper chronological order' but then also dumb enough to say 'I'll put new ones right after the last ones I added'. I'll try to fix it.
 
picklepikkl said:
Anyway, as a Greek I kind of have to approve of this take on elves. It's in my contract.
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As A Irish person, I'm a little sad that they aren't more Celtic in culture, constering the naming sense and that their gods are largely renamed and skinned members of the different Celtic pantheons (Irish, Gaulish and Brythonic). (they didn't even bother renaming Manannán mac Lir, just used his less common names.)

but its not Boneys fault that the 4e books are so, so blatantly greek inspired.
 
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BoneyM said:
As such, Max?"

"Yes?"

"You won't be joining us in Tor Lithanel just yet. With my authority, go through every College library that will have you for any scrap of information. I doubt anyone left their Big Book of Ancient Secrets in the public section by mistake, but there's sure to be pieces scattered around the place, and you're the man to gather them together."

"That's going to be a lot of libraries," he says, a smile spreading across his face.
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"Oh no I will have to visit and search so many libraries with the Lady Magister's backing. So many exotic and unusual books to laboriously go through. What shall I ever do."
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Johann starts picking up a smattering of Eltharin from constant exposure, and when he starts coming home smelling faintly of olives instead of sweat you question him and find that a human entering into the public baths was met with no pushback, or at least no pushback that the Queen's Champion couldn't bludgeon his way through. It was a matter you'd given a bit of thought to, but hadn't end up pursuing because of how awkward it would have been, and since you'd become quite used to bathing privately anyway.
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Public baths is a +1 on the Greek/Roman parallels.
 
ded pucflek:
DL updoot

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There be some FLEXIN'

ctulhuslp:
Also, oiled up Johann

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Boney knows his audience, I guess

ctulhuslp:
He reads all posts in the thread, and most of the thread agreed on vital necessity of flexing half naked himbos

Redshirt Army:
now, how to get Cython into one of those oily bathhouses

ctulhuslp:
The only questionable part of it all is well, egrimm and claw, they didn't quite fit into the larger picture
Oh well

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@Redshirt Army "now, how to get Cython into one of those oily bathhouses"
Maybe if we stick a book on elvish divinities in one of them...

Redshirt Army:
ho ho ho, delightfully devilish, dumbo

The Machine:
@ctulhuslp "He reads all posts in the thread, and most of the thread agreed on vital necessity of flexing half naked himbos"
Half naked golden himbos, the gold part is important.


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Would Cython take a smaller form or would they need, like, one of those oversized paint rollers to really oil them up(edited)
...wait, them
Forgot

Redshirt Army:
hmm
Cython looks like clear ice crystal
so if you oil Cython up
do you end up with a thin film interface
Making rainbows?

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It'd either get really grody as it half froze over
Or have this really nice rainbow refraction yeah

Redshirt Army:


ctulhuslp:
Petrol stain look?

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Look I think this is too genius to let rot in a discord
You gotta tell people about this plan
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
As A Irish person, I'm a little sad that they aren't more Celtic in culture, constering the naming sense and that their gods are largely renamed and skinned members of the different Celtic pantheons (Irish, Gaulish and Brythonic). (they didn't even both renaming Manannán mac Lir, just used his less common names.)

but its not Boneys fault that the 4e books are so, so blatantly greek inspired.
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Albion is the main place where the Celtic things are stuffed. If you want Warhammer Celts, Dynamic Alcoholisim recently concluded a big event there.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
As A Irish person, I'm a little sad that they aren't more Celtic in culture, constering the naming sense and that their gods are largely renamed and skinned members of the different Celtic pantheons (Irish, Gaulish and Brythonic). (they didn't even bother renaming Manannán mac Lir, just used his less common names.)

but its not Boneys fault that the 4e books are so, so blatantly greek inspired.
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The Belthani were the mainland Brythonics, the Eonir were the colonists from a foreign empire.
 
You know, i have no idea if this has been discussed back when that particular bit of info has been revealed by Deathfang, but Ulric is likely not the first human divine entity that is getting some vague worship from Wood Elves.

There is something mighty fucky going on with Rhya and the Asrai/Eonir, because the deals struck mentioned by Deathfang have tied the breed of Forest Dragons to Rhya. Forest Dragons are mighty part of ecosystem of Athel Loren, and perhaps even Laurelorn, and by the way they work, they are likely some extension upon the spirit compact with the Forest that Elves seem to have. Which is weird, because Asrai are notably ruled by living avatars of Kurnous and Isha, but the Spirit of domain they rule over appears to actually be Rhya instead. Like, how does that work?
 
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I wonder would our investigations into the Eonir in this update be enough to write a paper on? Like it's insight into their society that could be very useful for Imperial Diplomats.
 
Sinsystems said:
I wonder would our investigations into the Eonir in this update be enough to write a paper on? Like it's insight into their society that could be very useful for Imperial Diplomats.
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There's definitely papers or even a book in being the first human able to immerse themself in Eonir society, but right now Mathilde is the Imperial Diplomat, so there's no rush to get the information out there when so far it's mostly impressions and surface-level culture.
 
Sinsystems said:
I wonder would our investigations into the Eonir in this update be enough to write a paper on? Like it's insight into their society that could be very useful for Imperial Diplomats.
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We probably could write a paper at this point, but given this is just what Mathilde has gathered from a six month surface skim, and that she's very likely going to get a deeper overview as she examines the various Wards and Houses in more detail, I think that it's best to hold off on writing the paper until we gather more information, so we can give the best insight we can without having to spend more writing actions than necessary.
 
Codex said:
I'm not super familiar with the culture/society of Ancient Greece and Rome, would someone kindly explain the similarities in detail?
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I'm not an expert on the time period by any means, but I've picked up a few things. It's not a one to one translation, either, but more of a greek inspired system.

The big similarity is the split between the city elves and the forest elves. Greece and Rome typically used tiered citizenship systems where those that were born citizens were allowed to live in the city and participate in local politics, whilst those born without citizenship couldn't do either of those things and were mostly restricted to living outside the city walls. (I'm being a bit vague here, because "greece and rome" covers dozens of independent states spread out across several thousand years of history, so it's hard to generalise them). The military elite tended to be drawn from the citizens, whilst levies came from the non-citizens, so the best troops would only be deployed if the city was in danger, leaving the outer territories to their own defence.

The citizens themselves were also split into two groups—nobles and non-nobles. The word Aristocrat comes from Athens to describe the citizens who were voted into political office that required a specific skill (such as being a general) instead of being chosen by lottery, which is how judges and councillors were appointed. They were the aristokratia, the "rule of the best". In less democratic states, the nobility were more... traditional, but served a similar role.

Here, the Aristocrats were those that assisted the first Queen to colonise the land, and their descendants benefit from the privileges those early pioneers were given.

So we've got aristokratia at the top, then citizens and their senate, and then non-citizens who are so divorced from politics they are basically another state that's dependent upon the city for protection.
 
ShyPerson said:
Albion is the main place where the Celtic things are stuffed. If you want Warhammer Celts, Dynamic Alcoholisim recently concluded a big event there.
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Also Athel Loran. Asrai Wood Elves are pretty much entirely Celtic Fair Folk in presentation. Ulthuan has a lot of Eastern Roman Empire and Hellenism to it though (mixed with a little bit of orientalism) so the Eonir ending up very Helenistic fits with them being a cut off colony that developed down its own path.
 
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