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This action feels specifically made to tempt me.
I think I know what action will probably win my vote...
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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I think I know what action will probably win my vote...
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Will taking this action involve Mathilde explicitly telling Johann to 'go fist' Kadoh?
For reference: Our current wealth:
Income: 225 crowns per turn (175 EIC, 50 Fief).
Banked:
1732 + (1261*1.3=1639.3)+(1350*0.95=1282.5)= 4653.8 crowns.
A couple of quick questions for the thread at large.
1. Is our debt to Botrek officially cancelled?
2. I couldn't find what we are paying Max/Johann/Egrimm, so we have a rough idea of how much wizards cost. Or do we pay it all in favour?
3. Can anyone remember what Mathilde got as her base pay for loremaster? I'm pretty sure I remember that being the standard rate for a Dwarven Master [Insert profession]. I think Mathilde got around 100 or 150 gc.
So presumably we have to budget for Thorek and his apprentices at similar value. If we say 150-175 Thorek and however many apprentices he chooses to bring, that would put us down to "only" 50 gc income a turn.*
We also used to get 300gc/turn to purchase books. If we spend 2500 on the Lab and accommodation, if we went for that same limit on buying Waystone books (and always spent max) we'd have around 5 turns worth of paying for a Runemaster and full book buying options before we'd have to stop buying.
*Possibly we can use Runesmith favour for this but it's a useful number.
Income: 225 crowns per turn (175 EIC, 50 Fief).
Banked:
1732 + (1261*1.3=1639.3)+(1350*0.95=1282.5)= 4653.8 crowns.
A couple of quick questions for the thread at large.
1. Is our debt to Botrek officially cancelled?
2. I couldn't find what we are paying Max/Johann/Egrimm, so we have a rough idea of how much wizards cost. Or do we pay it all in favour?
3. Can anyone remember what Mathilde got as her base pay for loremaster? I'm pretty sure I remember that being the standard rate for a Dwarven Master [Insert profession]. I think Mathilde got around 100 or 150 gc.
So presumably we have to budget for Thorek and his apprentices at similar value. If we say 150-175 Thorek and however many apprentices he chooses to bring, that would put us down to "only" 50 gc income a turn.*
We also used to get 300gc/turn to purchase books. If we spend 2500 on the Lab and accommodation, if we went for that same limit on buying Waystone books (and always spent max) we'd have around 5 turns worth of paying for a Runemaster and full book buying options before we'd have to stop buying.
*Possibly we can use Runesmith favour for this but it's a useful number.
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This is not strictly accurate.
So we have full access to the Grey library, moderate access to the Gold (and possibly Light?) libraries, and surface access to the others. I would rather wait on this action until we've gotten other Orders actually on board, specifically the Jades.
Sure, but the living quarters option specifically scales without limit:
Of the provided options, 300 is the swankiest.
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Seems like a good action to take, Kadoh's pretty politically important so it would be good to make friends with him. Would be good to have an in as well if we want to discern whether or not he really is just a piece, or if like he's Johann was, hiding his real importance.
Yes, but it is called 'nice'. I think for both political and workplace reasons we need to go beyond nice.
Not officially. It's in limbo until/unless something drastically changes with the Karag Dum situation.
WEB-MAT payroll is covered by the Colleges.
120gc a year, IIRC.
Bringing a Karak or any other organization into the Waystone Project doesn't mean directly employing them.
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Fair amount of people are for trying to recruit runesmiths this turn, and I've no idea why. It's mildly confusing. I'm not trying to challenge your stance on this, but would you mind explaining to me your reasoning on why you measure getting them on board this turn is important?
(I feel that the more we recruit this turn, the more quickly the pressure to focus entirely on Waystones builds up, and I'd love to do some side research this turn)
I think the whole "holding no cards" thing is triggering my anxieties, and I know the dwarves have a pretty potent card in their corner, so the sooner we get that resolved, the less vulnerable we become to elven scrutiny. Does that make sense?
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Wait have we ever used the flask? I don't recall.
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We've used it as a test, but not in live combat no. Neither have we really used the Boon of Hysh item quite yet I believe.
It shows what Mathilde can bring on the table at a short notice and creates a strong incentive for both elves and other Colleges to play ball.
Mathilde's diplomatic specialty is, undoubtedly, dwarf relations - she's uniquely positioned to bridge the gap.
Could we pay some AV to incentivise a Karak's Runesmiths to participate?
Plan: Keep ticking away on AV while doing other things. draft 1
[ ] MAX: Go through every library of the Colleges you can access for any scrap of information about Waystones. (NEW)
[ ] JOHANN: Have Johann spend time getting to know Kadoh, who has expressed an interest in meeting the 'fist metal-Mage'.
[ ] EGRIMM: Study an artefact: Kurgan enchanted weapons
max is a duh, Johann isn't really a study guy, but being friendly in his wheelhouse. and the Egrimm action is 'free' , we get an idea about his skills, and let us tick away on the backlog.
[ ] Attempt to bring a Karak's Runesmiths into the Waystone Project (Azul)
the other duh
[ ] Furnish the research spaces of the Waystone Project HQ (2000gc for Laurelorn-grade)
I'm leaning toward the top price, despite worry about blowing the funding load before knowing the long term costs, but I actually think we can wait a turn for the housing.
[ ] Experiment with integrating the Vitae into enchantments.
I'm not voting for any action that doesn't have an AV action, and I'll vote for any action that does and might win, I'm putting my foot down on that. I can't make people vote how I want, but I can control mine.
Overwork: [ ] Branulhune's ability to disappear and reappear at a thought allows entirely new forms of combat. Continue to work on them.
If we are halfway there, might as well finish, will tick on of the long term arguments off the list. plus 'loremasters' are respected, even if we would be considered a bad one by elf standards.
[ ] Write a paper: Observations of Karag Dum and its unusual guardian (FADING)
[ ] EIC: Have the Hochlander set up a shadow headquarters for the EIC in the Sunken Palace.
let's get a use out of that sitting resource.
[ ] The Gambler: Attempt to bring a Karak's Runesmiths into the Waystone Project (Azul)
[ ] MAX: Go through every library of the Colleges you can access for any scrap of information about Waystones. (NEW)
[ ] JOHANN: Have Johann spend time getting to know Kadoh, who has expressed an interest in meeting the 'fist metal-Mage'.
[ ] EGRIMM: Study an artefact: Kurgan enchanted weapons
max is a duh, Johann isn't really a study guy, but being friendly in his wheelhouse. and the Egrimm action is 'free' , we get an idea about his skills, and let us tick away on the backlog.
[ ] Attempt to bring a Karak's Runesmiths into the Waystone Project (Azul)
the other duh
[ ] Furnish the research spaces of the Waystone Project HQ (2000gc for Laurelorn-grade)
I'm leaning toward the top price, despite worry about blowing the funding load before knowing the long term costs, but I actually think we can wait a turn for the housing.
[ ] Experiment with integrating the Vitae into enchantments.
I'm not voting for any action that doesn't have an AV action, and I'll vote for any action that does and might win, I'm putting my foot down on that. I can't make people vote how I want, but I can control mine.
Overwork: [ ] Branulhune's ability to disappear and reappear at a thought allows entirely new forms of combat. Continue to work on them.
If we are halfway there, might as well finish, will tick on of the long term arguments off the list. plus 'loremasters' are respected, even if we would be considered a bad one by elf standards.
[ ] Write a paper: Observations of Karag Dum and its unusual guardian (FADING)
[ ] EIC: Have the Hochlander set up a shadow headquarters for the EIC in the Sunken Palace.
let's get a use out of that sitting resource.
[ ] The Gambler: Attempt to bring a Karak's Runesmiths into the Waystone Project (Azul)
We have no cards right now: but bringing in a runesmith with our connections and influence will give us '1' card.
that's a 100% improvement. (its both funny and tragic how true that is.)
No. The decision for them to make is a fundamental one about whether this is the proper way forward for runesmithing. Either they'd already be willing so taking payment would be dishonorable, or they wouldn't and no amount of bribery would shift them.
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Presumably given that the money that can be plowed into living quarters scales upwards drastically beyond 300GC it's probably better to have more than simply 'Nice' as our top limit especially given the kind of people we want to entice. Most orders of magic aren't ascetic, neither are most of the magical traditions we'll eventually want to recruit into this.
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We shouldn't do the library action, we don't have access to most of the major libraries of the colleges in any meanginful way at the moment beyond the grey.
Also given that
[] Plan: Recruitment, Research and Development v2
[ ] Attempt to bring an Order into the Waystone Project (Light Order)
[ ] Attempt to bring an Order into the Waystone Project (Gold Order)
[ ] Attempt to bring an Order into the Waystone Project (Jade Order)
[ ] Furnish the living spaces of the Waystone Project HQ (specify how much: 100gc for adequate, 200gc for comfortable, 300gc+ for nice (no cap on how much can be spent, because Elves)) [500 GC]
[ ] Furnish the research spaces of the Waystone Project HQ (specify how much: 100gc for adequate, 500gc for College-grade, 2000gc for Laurelorn-grade) [2000 GC]
[ ] Investigate how the Vitae reacts with Divine Magic.
-[ ] The Gambler: AV
[ ] EIC: Insert agents into a particular province, cult, company, or institution to start gathering their secrets. (Marienburg)
I've switched out the Bright order for the Light order as IIRC they are supposed to have a pretty swanky Library. Jade order have cult mystical knowledge for Waystones.
Next turn I'd suggest getting the Bright order and Celestial order involved, whilst we immerse in Laurelorn culture, and study a local waystone and once we've done that have Max go through the libraries.
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Well, I'd like to echo everyone else in saying that the intro to Laurelorn was, as they say, fantastic.
@BoneyM For the WEB-MAT actions, do we only get the bonus AP from spending 2 AP on our members, or from the category? Could we do two WEB-MAT recruitment actions and then spend the 'free' AP on a MAX action?
Given that we're nearly guaranteed to never take this action again, given that the Waystone HQ needs to support not just Mathilde but everyone who she recruits, given that we are, indeed, inbat Elf country, I don't view 300gc as the maximum. I see it as the barebones minimum to get the locals to respect us. I'm going to advocate we spend 1000gc, to at least try to match the 2000gc we're going to casually drop on the research spaces. I don't think anyone here's going to blink an eye on spending the maximum amount on furnishing our research spaces. But if anyone hasn't noticed, we're in Laurelorn now, and we've been left a physical Major House to house our Waystone HQ and negotiate with the other Major Houses with. Just to keep up appearances and help with the Diplomatic side of the project, we need to view the furnishings as potentially just as important as the research spaces.
(Also, there's likely some synergy between furnishing the HQ and doing the 'immerse yourself' actions; as Mathilde will get to know the local expectations and tastes and can utilize those in how the HQ will present itself.)
@BoneyM For the WEB-MAT actions, do we only get the bonus AP from spending 2 AP on our members, or from the category? Could we do two WEB-MAT recruitment actions and then spend the 'free' AP on a MAX action?
Two things: Now that we have our Library, our book funds are now YES. (Or at least there's going to be a much higher budget for them.) Secondly, the 'swankiest' option isn't the 300gc. It's the "no cap on how much can be spent, because Elves." The highest the swank-o-meter can go here is if we somehow outspent the Queen herself, and because they're Elves many of them might not even think that much would be gaudy.
Given that we're nearly guaranteed to never take this action again, given that the Waystone HQ needs to support not just Mathilde but everyone who she recruits, given that we are, indeed, in
(Also, there's likely some synergy between furnishing the HQ and doing the 'immerse yourself' actions; as Mathilde will get to know the local expectations and tastes and can utilize those in how the HQ will present itself.)
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It does, and thank you for explaining.
First off, I've made clear my motivations (side projects) and reasoning (recruitment increases pressure to start working on Waystones asap), so please keep in mind that while I do believe the following arguments are valid, they for a purpose beyond "runesmiths not be needed this turn". - Ugh. All those disclaimers and my post stills feels dishonest somehow.
1. I don't think it is likely that anything we will do this turn that requires Mathilde to have any special/rare understanding of waystones, so it will be easy enough to keep her ignorance/lack of cards under wraps
2. Mathilde represents the empire/colleges to Laurelorn, who (probably) have cards
3. If setting up the research area needed/would benefit from special knowledge, I don't think negotiations to get the runesmiths on board would be done in time for them to be able to contribute to it/let Mathilde pretend she knew more than did.
[1]I'd say "can maybe bring runesmiths on board" is a card, but to be fair, a much smaller one than "Waystone project has runesmiths on board"
[2] For me, the project was started on the promise of facilitating communication
I just don't think we particularly need cards this turn (or is that motivated cognition on my part?), but the explanations given will make me feel better if the winning plan has a lot of recruitment for the Waystone Project in it. So thank you for that.
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I think that this is the one time that 'wait to do it in one action' is the wrong instinct.
because that will lead us to waiting X amount of colleges/damsels/ice witchs etc before looking: where X is 'how close does the next group look to agreeing' and if Boeny is good at their job (they are) that string could dangle just out of reach for a long time, drip feeding up a little more access or making us think 'they will agree this time.
so for once, I would prefer to spend more AP to do an action on repeat every time/ or every few time that we get more access, then let the GM dangle the string into making us wait on info that would have been useful turns ago.
A large among of the bluff will focus on us looking like we know more than we do, we cant risk sitting on information that we can assess for information we will access in the future.
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Webmat recruitment counts as Webmat actions for that purpose, I'll try to remember to edit it to make it a bit clearer when I'm not phoneposting.
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Personally, I think that rather than trying to full-court press recruitment this turn, it would make sense to do one important recruitment at a time so we can Gamble it. Like, runesmiths this turn, next turn Jades and Ambers, that sort of thing.
I get your point, but that action is specifically for the College Libraries, so this isn't something that extends without limit. I definitely don't want to take it until we have Jades on board. Lights and Ambers would be nice but not necessary.
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With this, and overwork giving us six actions this turn, I am very enthused about recruiting people for WEB-MAT, for a total of
4 WEB MAT actions
2 Non-WEB MAT actions
2 Free WEB MAT actions
No idea who to ask for. Feels weird to ask BoneyM to just roll someone up, but I'd love for us to get our claws into an Enchanter.