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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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BoneyM said:
There was a printing of the Bible that listed Thou Shalt Commit Adultery as a commandment and described God as having a great ass. I could see the Sigmarites taking it that badly if there was an equivalent oopsie in a printing of the Deus Sigmar.
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Well, if people are imperfect copies created in God's image then He probably does have a great ass. Sigmar, being a warrior-king also probably had a great ass. So I don't see the problem :V
 
BoneyM said:
There was a printing of the Bible that listed Thou Shalt Commit Adultery as a commandment and described God as having a great ass. I could see the Sigmarites taking it that badly if there was an equivalent oopsie in a printing of the Deus Sigmar.
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Now now, BoneyM, are you implying the greatest specimen the Mankind has ever produced didn't in fact, have a great ass?

:V
 
LockedMind said:
Well, if people are imperfect copies created in God's image then He probably does have a great ass. Sigmar, being a warrior-king also probably had a great ass. So I don't see the problem :V
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pucflek said:
Now now, BoneyM, are you implying the greatest specimen the Mankind has ever produced didn't in fact, have a great ass?

:V
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You're right. The problem wasn't so much with the greatness of the ass, which can be reasonably assumed, but the implication the typo created that God won over the Israelites by displaying His ass to them.
 
BoneyM said:
You're right. The problem wasn't so much with the greatness of the ass, which can be reasonably assumed, but the implication the typo created that God won over the Israelites by displaying His ass to them.
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I mean, they can't really see the true glory of God if he's all covered up, now can they? :V
(Yes, I'm still talking about God's pet donkey. What did you think I was saying?)
 
Well, being omniscient and omnipotent, God obviously knew more about animal husbandry than ancient Israelites. Evidently, the difference in knowledge was big enough to convince them of his divinity.
 
LockedMind said:
Well, being omniscient and omnipotent, God obviously knew more about animal husbandry than ancient Israelites. Evidently, the difference in knowledge was big enough to convince them of his divinity.
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I mean, I would probably follow the guy who knew the most about animal husbandry back then. I'm pretty sure it was and still is a very important thing to most societies.
 
BoneyM said:
There's early woodcut and etching printers currently in use, but no movable type yet, so they'd be useful if you want to make a lot of copies of a book but not so much for small runs. The customers of the current printers tend to be agitators and rabble-rousers, and they're getting a lot of pushback from the authorities because of it. Other opponents include the Cult of Scripsisti, Goddess of Scribes, for obvious reasons, and a lot of suspicion from portions of the Cult of Sigmar who consider typos to be the work of Tzeentch and therefore consider the possible mass production of typos to be a worrying new development in heretical technology.
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Wait, is that WH canon or Pratchett's Truth?
Various guilds squabble which one should profit from the printers, etchers are put out of business and Wizards panic over what would happen if you have the movable type used to print magic books reused for normal books or, gods forbid, other magic books.
Not to mention that Scripsisti sounds a lot like some Discworldian goddess.
 
-What heresy did you print, you Tilean heathen?
-Erm, what? That's your Empire's holy book, just like you asked.
-Then how do you explain this: "...And after establishing his authority in martial matters, Sigmar proved to the tribes his expertise in peaceful endeavors. He demonstrated his behind for all to see and everyone agreed that it was the most healthy, shapely and groomed rear they have ever seen. Thus Sigmar united the tribes by proving his superiority in war and peace both"? Rear? Behind? Are you mocking Sigmar's holy church?
-Well, you see, unlike your northern backwater, Tilea is a civilized country and my establishment is a respected one! I can't print such vulgarities as "ass" in my books, regardless of whether or not that part of you deity's anatomy was worshiped back then!
-Part of the anatomy? The book talks about his donkey, you oaf! Sigmar revolutionized animal husbandry, which was a major step in his path to unify the tribes.
-Oh. Oh, I see. Forgive me, good sir, the fault is mine in this case.
-How many did you print?
-Five hundred, half of your order. And I already sent half of that to the churches from your list...
 
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BoneyM said:
You're right. The problem wasn't so much with the greatness of the ass, which can be reasonably assumed, but the implication the typo created that God won over the Israelites by displaying His ass to them.
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I mean, that ass in that toga? Whoo boy, God really wasn't playing fair that day.
 
Chopak said:
Wait, is that WH canon or Pratchett's Truth?
Various guilds squabble which one should profit from the printers, etchers are put out of business and Wizards panic over what would happen if you have the movable type used to print magic books reused for normal books or, gods forbid, other magic books.
Not to mention that Scripsisti sounds a lot like some Discworldian goddess.
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Scripsisti is canon, Sigmarites being leery about typos is canon, and newspapers become a thing in Altdorf around 2510ish so I'd peg the invention of movable type to about there.
 
LockedMind said:
-What heresy did you print, you Tilean heathen?
-Erm, what? That's your Empire's holy book, just like you asked.
-Then how do you explain this: "...And after establishing his authority in martial matters, Sigmar proved to the tribes his expertise in peaceful endeavors. He demonstrated his behind for all to see and everyone agreed that it was the most healthy, shapely and groomed rear they have ever seen. Thus Sigmar united the tribes by proving his superiority in war and peace both"? Rear? Behind? Are you mocking Sigmar's holy church?
-Well, you see, unlike your northern backwater, Tilea is a civilized country and my establishment is a respected one! I can't print such vulgarities as "ass" in my books, regardless of whether or not that part of you deity's anatomy was worshiped back then!
-Part of the anatomy? The book talks about his donkey, you oaf! Sigmar revolutionized animal husbandry, which was a major step in his path to unify the tribes.
-Oh. Oh, I see. Forgive me, good sir, the fault is mine in this case.
-How many did you print?
-Five hundred, half of your order. And I already sent half of that to the churches from your list...
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"And that's the origin of Sigmar's signature kilt that actually only started to show up in ecclesiastic art around a century ago."
 
BoneyM said:
She was getting paid 100 crowns a year as Loremaster, and the taxes from her fief accumulate to await her next visit. The niter factories were folded into the EIC not long ago.
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Er, 120, not 100.
BoneyM said:
Mathilde is paid 120 gold coins per year as Loremaster, and you may want to also factor in the income from her fief.
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We were getting 60/turn, cut down to 57/turn while we paid tithe. I am pretty sure you picked 60 as our turnwise income rather than 50 because 95% of 50 is 47.5, which has that unsightly decimal point and requires the tracking of silver and not just gold.
 
BoneyM said:
There's early woodcut and etching printers currently in use, but no movable type yet, so they'd be useful if you want to make a lot of copies of a book but not so much for small runs. The customers of the current printers tend to be agitators and rabble-rousers, and they're getting a lot of pushback from the authorities because of it. Other opponents include the Cult of Scripsisti, Goddess of Scribes, for obvious reasons, and a lot of suspicion from portions of the Cult of Sigmar who consider typos to be the work of Tzeentch and therefore consider the possible mass production of typos to be a worrying new development in heretical technology.
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Do Dwarves print? I could see it go both ways.
 
Apropos of nothing:

My partner and I are moving in together on Friday. This week has been extremely hectic. Yesterday at around dinner time, I could see that she was in the zone and that making food was just going to disrupt her, so I silently made the executive decision to order us Chipotle. At bedtime, she thanked me for that, saying she wasn't thinking about it at the time but really needed it. I, being me, made a silly joke about how I knew everything with my wizard powers. She started laughing more than this extremely lame comment deserved, and said "I thought you told me that in your quest you were specifically disallowed from making delicious burritos magically appear?"
 
Rafin said:
Do Dwarves print? I could see it go both ways.
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They do for writings that aren't worthy of the full attention of Runescribes but still need to be preserved and distributed.

picklepikkl said:
Apropos of nothing:

My partner and I are moving in together on Friday. This week has been extremely hectic. Yesterday at around dinner time, I could see that she was in the zone and that making food was just going to disrupt her, so I silently made the executive decision to order us Chipotle. At bedtime, she thanked me for that, saying she wasn't thinking about it at the time but really needed it. I, being me, made a silly joke about how I knew everything with my wizard powers. She started laughing more than this extremely lame comment deserved, and said "I thought you told me that in your quest you were specifically disallowed from making delicious burritos magically appear?"
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This is dangerously cute.
 
BoneyM said:
Something I've seen said in the fandom a few times is that 'one in a thousand can see magic, one in a thousand of those can use magic', and I've got no idea where that comes from and suspect it's a misremembering of something from 40k about psykers.
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So I think I've come across a passage in 2E WFRP that might have resulted in the belief presented in the quote above, and I will quote it word for word because I'm kinda confused by it.

"In Humans, only a few are born with the power to see and use the Winds of Magic. Of every thousand babies born, perhaps one may possess a talent with magic. Of every thousand with talent, one may have a remarkable talent, and for every ten thousand with a remarkable talent, there may be one powerful enough to become one of the legendary Battle Wizards."

One in a thousand of people who can see magic and one in a thousand of those can use it is probably a misquote of the talent vs remarkable talent that the quote suggests. But the numbers looks extremely weird. This is especially odd because Realms of Sorcery clarifies and says something else, but the quote above from the base WFRP book is baffling. I'm not good at math, but wouldn't the probability above mean that there would be less than 1 Battle Wizard in a population of 15 million?
 
Codex said:
One in a thousand of people who can see magic and one in a thousand of those can use it is probably a misquote of the talent vs remarkable talent that the quote suggests. But the numbers looks extremely weird. This is especially odd because Realms of Sorcery clarifies and says something else, but the quote above from the base WFRP book is baffling. I'm not good at math, but wouldn't the probability above mean that there would be less than 1 Battle Wizard in a population of 15 million?
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I think the lesson is to not put stock in the bad math of the source material. City populations have already been pointed out as being to small, why would the wizard population be better?
 
picklepikkl said:
My partner and I are moving in together on Friday. This week has been extremely hectic. Yesterday at around dinner time, I could see that she was in the zone and that making food was just going to disrupt her, so I silently made the executive decision to order us Chipotle. At bedtime, she thanked me for that, saying she wasn't thinking about it at the time but really needed it. I, being me, made a silly joke about how I knew everything with my wizard powers. She started laughing more than this extremely lame comment deserved, and said "I thought you told me that in your quest you were specifically disallowed from making delicious burritos magically appear?"
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I'm tempted to put that at the end of the Burrito madness threadmark.
 
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