Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
Those do tend to be Masters of Boning.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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- Finland
And if/when Mathilde becomes the Supreme Matriarch, we can bring the question up again.
No, we/you can't have armor.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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- Earth
Even assuming the Armour of Tarnus is better than what Mathilde currently has, AFAIK, she can probably ask for it now (if she actually knew who to ask). She's unlikely to get it, but it's not an item that would require being SM for her to get. Nor would being SM guarantee her getting it.
I would expect no, a big artifice like that would probably not be something they would give a wizard that spends a lot of time out of the empire.
Darth.
Definitely a heretic
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- The Restaurant at the End of the Universe
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
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- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
But then wouldn't that mean BoneyM's dual-classed into Necromancer?
Burned_Cookie
Very tired girl.
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- Plato´s cave.
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- She/Her/It/Its
Well, going by the cliche bard, they may have ventured into the Necromancer.
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Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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- America
I would certainly hope not. The Bard has a shit job, and Boney doesn't deserve that.
K von Carstein
Likes to go for a walk
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- Belgium
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- He
So does it mean he's looking for a successor?😏
glyph
completely and utterly fine
If you predict plot twists three times, he has to disappear and come back with a new profile picture?
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
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- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
With this quest's dice, not even BoneyM knows all the plot twists in advance...
pucflek
Verified simpleton
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- Czech Republic
's not like it would help her any. Its literally just plate mail enchanted so that casting is possible in it. Aethyric armor is already at full plate strenght if i recall correctly.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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- Earth
So, armour on the tabletop does not translate very well (because GW don't really specify what they mean, sensibly). However, full-plate is better than Mathilde's Aethyric Armour robes, but not better than her casting of the spell. But the Armour of Tarnus would still help, because it's not just armour, it comes with a built in ward save, something Mathilde does not currently possess.
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- Somewhere on Earth
On the plus side, it really brings together that 'knight of shadow' aesthetic we've been working on!
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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- Vermont
How would that be the case? We just got new robes, they should be as good as her casting.
Unless you're just saying they don't automatically give the effect where you don't get tired?
That said, apparently the Enoir are very, very good at charms(ward saves) according to one of the new supplement books.
on account of not being that into armour-armour, I'm assuming.
Now we will have to see if BoneyM will use that, but if they do, might be something worth looking at.
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Sir_Travelsalot
Never wakes up tired.
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- At Home
Actually, we couldn't. Aethyric Armour as a spell flat out cannot be cast while wearing armour, and the effects end immediately if you put on armour after casting.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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- Earth
Huh, you're right. I must have been thinking of her last set of robes.
except its the AoT, its whole thing is that it breaks those rules.
it would not be one of the big relics of the colleges if every LM could make robes that are better than it.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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It's not an affect of the Armour of Tarnus, it's an effect of Aethyric Armour. The spell doesn't work while you're wearing armour, and the Armour of Tarnus doesn't change that.
if BonyM says so, I'll admit wrong, but otherwise, I'm going to assume that the Armour of Tarnus doesn't set off that effect of Aethyric Armour, because not setting off the negative effects of amour on magic and spells is what it does.
and setting off Aethyric Armour would be on the users manual and would make it a significantly less famous relic.
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Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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- Vermont
I mean, I don't know how Boney would square it, but the Armor of Tarnus is from the war-game, where AA doesn't exist. It doesn't have to worry about competing with it in that context, and unless I'm wrong, I don't think there's any official rules for it in RP?
So that's kinda the fundamental disconnect. Not being a spell that might fail/be dispelled would presumably be a positive for the AoT? And there's also the Ward Save.
So that's kinda the fundamental disconnect. Not being a spell that might fail/be dispelled would presumably be a positive for the AoT? And there's also the Ward Save.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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- Earth
"because not setting off the negative effects of amour on magic and spells is what it does."
No, it's not. What the Armour of Tarnus does is "be pretty good armour anyone can use magic in". That's it. We have like two lines of fluff on it, and none of it mentions Aethyric Armour, because it's from an army book, not the RPG. There is zero indication it interacts with Aethyric Armour any differently than how Boney has repeatedly stated armour does ie, killing the spell. Hell, that might be an intentional part of the spell, which cannot differentiate between any two bits of armour, no matter how magical they are.
That's without getting into the assumption that the artifact exists in-quest, or that it's famous beyond its association with von Tarnus or that Aethyric Armour wasn't developed later and effectively made it obsolete (although it has a ward and is still better than most armour anyway).
.... I feel like this is turning into 'your headcanon is wrong, mine is right' argument.
as @Mopman43 said, AOT is TT and AA is RPG. (that reads weird). canon has never had them interact.
I'm assuming it works one way and you the other, neither of us has actual evidence one way or the other.
I'm just trying to give the super relic, made by the same guy that made the super staff, the benefits of the doubt that a spell every wizard can do is not going to be better than it at magic 7+.
I don't feel like that's the wrong thing to do, Boeny does seem to try and give lore descriptions their benefit as long as its not outright stupid.
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