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Personally, Should we prove victorious in Albion, I'm entirely in favor of sending a force to put the boot on the surviving Firmir afterwards. Furthermore, I'm generally in favor of having Stephan lead the force if he wants the job. Give him some glory, even if its likely to be largely ignored due to being in Albion.
the problem is he might honestly be too old for that now, plus he might need to stay in province as well/ teach mena stuff
though totally onboard that if we win to send some major force from us to kill some Firmir
Nope. Gaussers are dead. The issue with Gruber being Elector Count meant that he had easy access to the upper echelon of nobility while also being aware more than anyone else of which places were weak and peripheral enough to wipe out/convert swiftly. The whole shebang began with Gruber calling together said upper echelon, those who were loyal to him and those who were not but could not refuse the summons due to their levels of stature. Stephan von Kessel, being the son of supposed traitors, branded on his face with the Mark of Chaos to show all such tainted blood and legacy, was not invited to this. Instead, he was sent out on a regular patrol and garrison duty work along with his portion of the Nordland army. He was a Captain, after all, and barely a noble at all despite his name.
Because, obviously, Stephan was not considered a threat.
The Gaussers did not have the privilege of being down at Stephan's level, and so quite simply had to attend the party celebrating the new Emperor's victory. They did not survive that party.
yannoshka
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The 'advanced' forces of mainland, sent off to 'help' and 'liberate' territories of another native culture... Yeah, what an inspired, nay even brilliant! /s idea.
Leave off people. please. I'm begging you.
That one is a stupid idea. FFS, the heirs had just discussed how them getting there, and the inevitable spreading of info to the rest of the empire and the rest of the old world due to their collective presence was a BAD thing.
Leave off the cool-aid, and please tone down with the protagonitis.
They are going to need help though these are people just coming of a 99 year grueling war against fimir after a major defeat and if they win they will want to hammer fimir and sending them some help will be much apprecaited by them. I am not advocating for setting up a imperial colony or any of that but sending a small force like this with elite troops has already proven to work or giving them steel and armour or setting expert to teach them tech to and because cat out of the bag they will need all the help they can get. Also if they gain control of the mist again they no one getting in unless they say so
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Keep in mind that the last time the Firmir and Albion fought, the "winner" took so many casualties that they couldn't finish off their opponents for a solid century. I expect a similar victory but for the good guys this time. That is, the main force of the Firmir will be broken, but actually rooting them out will be an incredibly painful, multigenerational project that could potential reverse. Or, we could march in 40k fresh troops and spend 6 months blowing up a bunch of Firmir castles, killing a bunch of Firmir and putting them firmly in a swift death spiral with no chance of escape. Rather than leave the Albionese to painful, multigenerational warfare to reclaim their homes.
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Apart from the fact that we are soon going to fight our own war against the Beastmen (I assume, that you meant afterwards)? I have frankly no idea how we are planning to feed 40.000 men and women for several months on an uncultivated island without destroying the local wildlife or dealing with every conceivable pirate problem that could raid our supply lines.
I understand that you want to help them permanently, but this is a delicate situation.
No. and how did you forget about Magnus anyways? What did you think he was?
Magnus- Heir of Ostland. Has an inferiority complex from constantly measuring himself against his dad's martial accomplishments. It's gotten better though, and out of all the other heirs he's probably most prepared to run a province. Organized a massive push into our forrest as favor to Mena, who has to go home and take up the position as heir and thus won't be able to live her dream as a wandering fighter roaming through Nordland killing things for Ulric. When he was to successful he and Reinhardt went on a binge which led to this interlude.
Mena-Heir of Nordland after her brother was found to have magic and forced into the college. Because her dad has way less prestige than his allies their family is much less capable of shrugging off insults and rumors, which has led to her being recalled to court so she can personally defend herself against this slander. Absolutely not prepared for ruling, she has pretty much no expirience in court and spent most of her time running down nasties in Nordland's countryside.
Reinhardt- Heir of Ostermark and a knight of Verena. We know the least about him, but yes, his mom does have a cool demon killing sword.
Which is bad sure. But we need our troops elsewhere, not oversees fighting a war for someone else that they are completely unprepared for. Also, what are we supposed to gain from this? Good feels is nice, but that's not a reason to launch a campaign with no planning.
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An ally in Albion that will actually be able to do something this century. Like, lets be clear. I'm not advocating fighting a major war. This would be the equivalent of the Intensive Hunting action that we did in this turn, just in Albion. Or maybe that time in Ostland where we burned down a skaven city together. They'd be tough fights, sure, but I'm envisioning basically clean up of an already broken enemy. And its not like we have to defeat all the Firmir. Just enough so that they're so outnumbered by the Albish that things resolve themselves reasonably swiftly afterwards.
Folks, if Albion wins this fight, the druids will have regained control of the Mists and will likely immediately boost them to full strength right after the heirs leave.
I can see them going isolationist for a few generations while their people rebuild.
Because most of the clans have not worked or traded with the Empire and likely will not want to. Foreigners are not liked or appreciated.
I can see them going isolationist for a few generations while their people rebuild.
Because most of the clans have not worked or traded with the Empire and likely will not want to. Foreigners are not liked or appreciated.
yannoshka
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Newsflah Amigo.
Few hundred men helping out is one thing.
Albish would NEVER accept invasion-scale armies traipsing around their lands.
FFS, are you reading the same interludes that the rest of us are?
You know what folks? I'm out.
I can't deal with this level of obtuseness right now.
I am sorry if I'm being rude and acerbic. I usually try to avoid doing so, but right now, I am too tired, too burnt out and have too much shit of my own to deal with, for me to deal with the interwebs. I am exiling myself for the time being.
I am sorry,, no one deserves to deal with me when I'm like that.
When the foreigners literally saved their entire country and peoples and everyone knows it ?
Massgamer
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Which is why we voted for his POV for the upcoming update.
That would be the safest idea, yes. Has the benefit of keeping the Druchii out and preventing them from using Albion as a port of call anymore.
I do hope that the Heirs actions though will earn them the trust of the natives and maybe an exception can be made for them, kinda like being a dwarf friend.
This would be a major war though. Keep in mind the forces we have on hand right now are all elites. Greatswords are elite tier fighters who serve as an Elector Count's personal bodyguard. A Major and well loved and well supplied knightly order. We also have Mena's dudes who are basically well armed and armored Flagellants with actual training. We're still eating massive casualties against the Fimir. We'd eat even worse ones with night conventional troops who are going to be wholly unsuited to the terrain, and who would lose a great deal of punching power because their guns and cannons, the back bone of our armies, ceases to work entirely.
Furthermore we'd severely fuck up Albion trying to do what you suggest, the logistics of it would be insanity. We'd draw every pirates and norscan raider for thousands of miles. We'd strip their lands bare of food and supplies. Albion cannot handle that strain such an army would put on it. That's not even counting how poorly they'd take an invasion scale army.
Yes. Because they want to do this on their own. They are a proud people. They're accepting our help now because it's literally do or die time and we're not the central carry. we're just very good help. You're being about as tone deaf as people were when dealing with Manaan's justified anger at us.
AzraelvonGruber
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So i'm not for sending a full army in Albion, but sending a few hundred veterans soldiers ( with ogres) should be enough to make sure the albionese keep the avantage
I don't think sending Ogres into a swamp is a good idea...
Do keep in mind that Ogres have horrifyingly huge appetites, and very well might give the locals giants PTSD.
Restalaan
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Strategical and tactical outlook regarding Albion, it just not feasible.
We have to maintain a long train of logistic supplies, Albion itself won't be able to support that many soldiers, our greatest advantage of gunpowder is basically nullified due to weather, and we'll have to contend with losses to terrain as we range outwards for fighting entrenched Fimirs.
That's also not getting into the meta game and OOC knowledge that we have a beast tide coming soon, so we'll need all hands on deck for that invasion so we can actually have an army to be stationed at our county and sending the rest to other provinces once we finished the local beastlord assigned to Ostland.
It's kind of like the whole Tilea/Estalia situation, it's simply too far and not feasible to send an army abroad. We're more likely to succeed by constantly supplying the Albion people with more weapons on cheap so they can finish the job on their terms while maybe assigning a small outpost there for better communication or request reinforcements.
We have to maintain a long train of logistic supplies, Albion itself won't be able to support that many soldiers, our greatest advantage of gunpowder is basically nullified due to weather, and we'll have to contend with losses to terrain as we range outwards for fighting entrenched Fimirs.
That's also not getting into the meta game and OOC knowledge that we have a beast tide coming soon, so we'll need all hands on deck for that invasion so we can actually have an army to be stationed at our county and sending the rest to other provinces once we finished the local beastlord assigned to Ostland.
It's kind of like the whole Tilea/Estalia situation, it's simply too far and not feasible to send an army abroad. We're more likely to succeed by constantly supplying the Albion people with more weapons on cheap so they can finish the job on their terms while maybe assigning a small outpost there for better communication or request reinforcements.
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Its a waterborn train of supplies though, which makes things immeasurably easier. Keep in mind that waterborn transport is orders of magnitude more efficient than land transport. Shipping things to Albion is incalculably easier than moving things to Mount Vietnam.
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I don't think any kind of major or even minor military action in Albion would be welcome. I'm for continuing our weapon gifting and training programs to aid the Albion's with out insulting them or angering them.
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It's the See of Claws...
The Druchii are highly active in our area (not just Albion) and the moment the Norscans get some respite they will attack as well.
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We are not sending soldiers when this is done with, the druids are unlikely to let anyone else in once they command the mists.
Anyone else trying to pull any excuse up for intervention: kindly don't. We get a constant deluge of calls for direct military intervention anytime something happens in a foreign place.
The stupid half of my brain got a fabulous idea. We hire all of Marienburg's troops this turn. Right before the Beastmen invasion starts. Then we use them as Canon fodder and send the rest to 'liberate' Albion.
Wrestle it back into control. We may not like them, but we should not wish for their destruction.
Isolationist land with impossible to navigate mists, remember. Those are closing the moment the heirs are out. Also Druchi and Norscans. It's not a safe route unless an unacceptably large amount of the fleet can be spared for each run.